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Anonymous wrote:I am so uninterested in the opinions of people who live in certain school pyramids who think that the average wealth of the families of students at a school should dictate what classes are offered at a school and who use that to justify the unequal course programming at MCPS high schools. That might be your personal opinion and your bias, and that might be how private schools operate, but that is not how a public school district is supposed to operate. Good job derailing the thread.

Uhit’s not derailing when why Einstein has certain courses and not others (and how does it change its offerings) is the topic of the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so uninterested in the opinions of people who live in certain school pyramids who think that the average wealth of the families of students at a school should dictate what classes are offered at a school and who use that to justify the unequal course programming at MCPS high schools. That might be your personal opinion and your bias, and that might be how private schools operate, but that is not how a public school district is supposed to operate. Good job derailing the thread.

Uhit’s not derailing when why Einstein has certain courses and not others (and how does it change its offerings) is the topic of the thread.

Anonymous wrote:I am so uninterested in the opinions of people who live in certain school pyramids who think that the average wealth of the families of students at a school should dictate what classes are offered at a school and who use that to justify the unequal course programming at MCPS high schools. That might be your personal opinion and your bias, and that might be how private schools operate, but that is not how a public school district is supposed to operate. Good job derailing the thread.

Anonymous wrote:I am so uninterested in the opinions of people who live in certain school pyramids who think that the average wealth of the families of students at a school should dictate what classes are offered at a school and who use that to justify the unequal course programming at MCPS high schools. That might be your personal opinion and your bias, and that might be how private schools operate, but that is not how a public school district is supposed to operate. Good job derailing the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

Um nobody I know from Einstein asked for these things. I personally don't want half the humanities kids siphoned off to Whitman. If humanities were at Northwood, I'd be much happier.

Why are you so insistent on misrepresenting what Einstein parents have actually advocated for? What's your agenda? Be honest.

The only info I have on any of this is these threads where y’all can’t seem to find consensus and some people are coming across as unrealistic and others are frankly coming across as hysterical and mean. Others are coming across as normal and reasonable. Maybe it is unfathomable to you that an anonymous person with no skin in this or agenda would try to help you all distill your priorities down to something reasonable and practical, but it’s the truth. My own kids will not be affected by these changes in this region.

Exactly, your own kids have access to the classes they need and want, and no changes for your family, so you cannot understand why it's a big deal to others as you don't care about anyone but yourself and your family, so why are you even commenting? The impact is huge for many of us.

Um, you have no idea whether my kids have access to anything and I’m literally just trying to help you guys coalesce. Why on earth would you attack me and say I don’t care about anyone but myself or my family? How does suggesting things you could advocate for at your school help me or my family?! I completely understand why you are upset or unsettled, which is why I’m trying to help you. But I guess no good deed goes unpunished.

How are you helping? You are critizing or commenting on everything in a hostile derogatory way. You think our kids are less than yours. Why are you so threatened by our kids?

You are literally teaching a master class on gaslighting.

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Anonymous wrote:And the reason Whitman doesn't need a program is because they already have:
- their own engineering program
- Numerous advanced science classes including 3 different AP physics classes
- advanced math up to MVC (no I am not the MVC poster but just cataloguing what Whitman has, and one of those things is MVC)
- 9 AP social studies classes

So no, they won't be sending their kids to Einstein for biomedical science, gmafb. The kids will be traveling one way in this model.

Whitman also offers the most foreign languages out of all MCPS highschools despite its size. They offer ASL, French, Latin, Arabic, Italian, Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese.

Why do they offer different foreign languages at different schools? This seems very unfair to me. I would like these offered at Einstein!

different schools have different student populations and needs. this is public school.

So, the simple solution is to give schools with higher needs far more money than schools with fewer needs. At these schools, there is a huge range of abilities. One simple solution would be to start teaching math, science, history, and other classes in Spanish. And, to then offer more AP and advanced classes for students who need it. Not all families are low income. And, some make just as much or more than Whitman families but don't want to live in that world.

MCPS can barely get teachers to teach Spanish classes in Spanish. Where are you getting people qualified and certified to teach these other subjects fully in Spanish, as well as curricular materials?? Because the standardized tests are all still going to be in English.

They have no problem filling the immersion schools. Kids can still learn in their native language till their English improves. What is your solution to the students struggling beyond right them off so your kids can have more?

I am actually not sure that’s true regarding immersion staffing but those kids are much younger and it’s a lot easier to teach elementary subjects to a relatively engaged population than high school level subjects to a somewhat different population.

I don’t have a solution to help struggling students. These criteria based regional programs are actually not a match for many struggling students by and large, so let’s stay on topic. But no one has a great solution to this problem, which is an issue nationwide that no one has solved in any replicable way.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

Um nobody I know from Einstein asked for these things. I personally don't want half the humanities kids siphoned off to Whitman. If humanities were at Northwood, I'd be much happier.

Why are you so insistent on misrepresenting what Einstein parents have actually advocated for? What's your agenda? Be honest.

The only info I have on any of this is these threads where y’all can’t seem to find consensus and some people are coming across as unrealistic and others are frankly coming across as hysterical and mean. Others are coming across as normal and reasonable. Maybe it is unfathomable to you that an anonymous person with no skin in this or agenda would try to help you all distill your priorities down to something reasonable and practical, but it’s the truth. My own kids will not be affected by these changes in this region.

Exactly, your own kids have access to the classes they need and want, and no changes for your family, so you cannot understand why it's a big deal to others as you don't care about anyone but yourself and your family, so why are you even commenting? The impact is huge for many of us.

Um, you have no idea whether my kids have access to anything and I’m literally just trying to help you guys coalesce. Why on earth would you attack me and say I don’t care about anyone but myself or my family? How does suggesting things you could advocate for at your school help me or my family?! I completely understand why you are upset or unsettled, which is why I’m trying to help you. But I guess no good deed goes unpunished.

How are you helping? You are critizing or commenting on everything in a hostile derogatory way. You think our kids are less than yours. Why are you so threatened by our kids?

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Anonymous wrote:And the reason Whitman doesn't need a program is because they already have:
- their own engineering program
- Numerous advanced science classes including 3 different AP physics classes
- advanced math up to MVC (no I am not the MVC poster but just cataloguing what Whitman has, and one of those things is MVC)
- 9 AP social studies classes

So no, they won't be sending their kids to Einstein for biomedical science, gmafb. The kids will be traveling one way in this model.

Whitman also offers the most foreign languages out of all MCPS highschools despite its size. They offer ASL, French, Latin, Arabic, Italian, Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese.

Why do they offer different foreign languages at different schools? This seems very unfair to me. I would like these offered at Einstein!

different schools have different student populations and needs. this is public school.

So, the simple solution is to give schools with higher needs far more money than schools with fewer needs. At these schools, there is a huge range of abilities. One simple solution would be to start teaching math, science, history, and other classes in Spanish. And, to then offer more AP and advanced classes for students who need it. Not all families are low income. And, some make just as much or more than Whitman families but don't want to live in that world.

MCPS can barely get teachers to teach Spanish classes in Spanish. Where are you getting people qualified and certified to teach these other subjects fully in Spanish, as well as curricular materials?? Because the standardized tests are all still going to be in English.

They have no problem filling the immersion schools. Kids can still learn in their native language till their English improves. What is your solution to the students struggling beyond right them off so your kids can have more?

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Anonymous wrote:On the boundaries options, it seems like Option B is the best for both the Einstein and Northwood zones. Option C has a large decrease in enrollment for Einstein, and Options A and D leave Northwood at only 85% utilization, which I think doesn't make sense from an ROI perspective on a brand-new building.


Also Option B would put Blair at 91% utilization, leaving room for its popular magnets. The other options have it at over 100% utilization with just resident students.

For performing arts, I think I agree with the consensus in keeping performing arts at Einstein and putting the humanities magnet at Northwood.

And waste a brand new auditorium with professional lighting and sound? That's using resources well.

How is having a humanities program wasting that?

Northwood is BUILDING from scratch.

Northwood has 4 academies relating to the humanities. So Northwood isn’t building from scratch. They already have a foundation and it makes sense to put it there.

Then why aren’t they getting the humanities program??

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

Um nobody I know from Einstein asked for these things. I personally don't want half the humanities kids siphoned off to Whitman. If humanities were at Northwood, I'd be much happier.

Why are you so insistent on misrepresenting what Einstein parents have actually advocated for? What's your agenda? Be honest.

The only info I have on any of this is these threads where y’all can’t seem to find consensus and some people are coming across as unrealistic and others are frankly coming across as hysterical and mean. Others are coming across as normal and reasonable. Maybe it is unfathomable to you that an anonymous person with no skin in this or agenda would try to help you all distill your priorities down to something reasonable and practical, but it’s the truth. My own kids will not be affected by these changes in this region.

Exactly, your own kids have access to the classes they need and want, and no changes for your family, so you cannot understand why it's a big deal to others as you don't care about anyone but yourself and your family, so why are you even commenting? The impact is huge for many of us.

Um, you have no idea whether my kids have access to anything and I’m literally just trying to help you guys coalesce. Why on earth would you attack me and say I don’t care about anyone but myself or my family? How does suggesting things you could advocate for at your school help me or my family?! I completely understand why you are upset or unsettled, which is why I’m trying to help you. But I guess no good deed goes unpunished.

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Anonymous wrote:And the reason Whitman doesn't need a program is because they already have:
- their own engineering program
- Numerous advanced science classes including 3 different AP physics classes
- advanced math up to MVC (no I am not the MVC poster but just cataloguing what Whitman has, and one of those things is MVC)
- 9 AP social studies classes

So no, they won't be sending their kids to Einstein for biomedical science, gmafb. The kids will be traveling one way in this model.

Whitman also offers the most foreign languages out of all MCPS highschools despite its size. They offer ASL, French, Latin, Arabic, Italian, Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese.

Why do they offer different foreign languages at different schools? This seems very unfair to me. I would like these offered at Einstein!

different schools have different student populations and needs. this is public school.

So, the simple solution is to give schools with higher needs far more money than schools with fewer needs. At these schools, there is a huge range of abilities. One simple solution would be to start teaching math, science, history, and other classes in Spanish. And, to then offer more AP and advanced classes for students who need it. Not all families are low income. And, some make just as much or more than Whitman families but don't want to live in that world.

MCPS can barely get teachers to teach Spanish classes in Spanish. Where are you getting people qualified and certified to teach these other subjects fully in Spanish, as well as curricular materials?? Because the standardized tests are all still going to be in English.

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Anonymous wrote:And the reason Whitman doesn't need a program is because they already have:
- their own engineering program
- Numerous advanced science classes including 3 different AP physics classes
- advanced math up to MVC (no I am not the MVC poster but just cataloguing what Whitman has, and one of those things is MVC)
- 9 AP social studies classes

So no, they won't be sending their kids to Einstein for biomedical science, gmafb. The kids will be traveling one way in this model.

Whitman also offers the most foreign languages out of all MCPS highschools despite its size. They offer ASL, French, Latin, Arabic, Italian, Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese.

Why do they offer different foreign languages at different schools? This seems very unfair to me. I would like these offered at Einstein!

different schools have different student populations and needs. this is public school.

So, the simple solution is to give schools with higher needs far more money than schools with fewer needs. At these schools, there is a huge range of abilities. One simple solution would be to start teaching math, science, history, and other classes in Spanish. And, to then offer more AP and advanced classes for students who need it. Not all families are low income. And, some make just as much or more than Whitman families but don't want to live in that world.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

Um nobody I know from Einstein asked for these things. I personally don't want half the humanities kids siphoned off to Whitman. If humanities were at Northwood, I'd be much happier.

Why are you so insistent on misrepresenting what Einstein parents have actually advocated for? What's your agenda? Be honest.

The only info I have on any of this is these threads where y’all can’t seem to find consensus and some people are coming across as unrealistic and others are frankly coming across as hysterical and mean. Others are coming across as normal and reasonable. Maybe it is unfathomable to you that an anonymous person with no skin in this or agenda would try to help you all distill your priorities down to something reasonable and practical, but it’s the truth. My own kids will not be affected by these changes in this region.

Exactly, your own kids have access to the classes they need and want, and no changes for your family, so you cannot understand why it's a big deal to others as you don't care about anyone but yourself and your family, so why are you even commenting? The impact is huge for many of us.