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Anonymous wrote:I’m not right wing. But where I live (deep blue state, deep blue district, deep blue school board) the only serious efforts at book banning have come from the left. There aren’t enough right-wingers here to even try it.

The left here has also tried to decimate rigor in education, kept the schools closed for far longer than necessary, enacted restorative justice that destroyed classroom discipline, and stopped having kids read whole books because whole books were too hard to understand.

I just can’t see the Democrats as the party of education any more.

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The dumbing down of education is most definitely coming from the left. The idea that kids should now only be assigned excerpts to read because they "couldn't possibly" manage to read entire books comes from the left. Our all-D school board advocates idiotic policies like this.

What do their republican counterparts think of science?

Nobody here thinks the Republicans care at all about education. They are only pointing out that the Democrats don’t care about education either. And for a lot of us in blue states, it is the Democrats who have made the education of our children measurably worse. I can’t say I care too much about education in Mississippi when my local deep blue Democratic school board has gutted advanced math and won’t let teachers assign complete books any more.

Then vote in a better school board. There are plenty of Democrats who would enact sensible education policies at the local level.

I haven’t seen any in my deep blue district. All the Democrats that run have to essentially run and govern as progressives and therefore gut education.

It is ridiculous to demand that I believe that the Democrats are better at education at this point. I see no evidence of that whatsoever in any touchpoints I personally have with education. Literally on every single point, the Democrats are worse.

This is a talking point. How do you think they are "gutting education"? What is the "every single point"?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not right wing. But where I live (deep blue state, deep blue district, deep blue school board) the only serious efforts at book banning have come from the left. There aren’t enough right-wingers here to even try it.

The left here has also tried to decimate rigor in education, kept the schools closed for far longer than necessary, enacted restorative justice that destroyed classroom discipline, and stopped having kids read whole books because whole books were too hard to understand.

I just can’t see the Democrats as the party of education any more.

+1000
The dumbing down of education is most definitely coming from the left. The idea that kids should now only be assigned excerpts to read because they "couldn't possibly" manage to read entire books comes from the left. Our all-D school board advocates idiotic policies like this.

What do their republican counterparts think of science?

You mean the science behind the belief there are 57 genders?

- or the science contained in former Harvard President Claudine Gay’s paltry 11 published research papers (which were mostly plagiarized) ?

- or is it the science behind the Lucy Calkins reading method out of Columbia university?

58.3 to be exact.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not right wing. But where I live (deep blue state, deep blue district, deep blue school board) the only serious efforts at book banning have come from the left. There aren’t enough right-wingers here to even try it.

The left here has also tried to decimate rigor in education, kept the schools closed for far longer than necessary, enacted restorative justice that destroyed classroom discipline, and stopped having kids read whole books because whole books were too hard to understand.

I just can’t see the Democrats as the party of education any more.

+1000
The dumbing down of education is most definitely coming from the left. The idea that kids should now only be assigned excerpts to read because they "couldn't possibly" manage to read entire books comes from the left. Our all-D school board advocates idiotic policies like this.

What do their republican counterparts think of science?

You mean the science behind the belief there are 57 genders?

- or the science contained in former Harvard President Claudine Gay’s paltry 11 published research papers (which were mostly plagiarized) ?

- or is it the science behind the Lucy Calkins reading method out of Columbia university?

If you actually understood science, you would understand what cherry picking is and why it doesn’t prove anything.

I guess they don’t think much about clean water and clean air either.

Look at crystal clear deep-blue-Flint water was!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not right wing. But where I live (deep blue state, deep blue district, deep blue school board) the only serious efforts at book banning have come from the left. There aren’t enough right-wingers here to even try it.

The left here has also tried to decimate rigor in education, kept the schools closed for far longer than necessary, enacted restorative justice that destroyed classroom discipline, and stopped having kids read whole books because whole books were too hard to understand.

I just can’t see the Democrats as the party of education any more.

+1000
The dumbing down of education is most definitely coming from the left. The idea that kids should now only be assigned excerpts to read because they "couldn't possibly" manage to read entire books comes from the left. Our all-D school board advocates idiotic policies like this.

What do their republican counterparts think of science?

You mean the science behind the belief there are 57 genders?

- or the science contained in former Harvard President Claudine Gay’s paltry 11 published research papers (which were mostly plagiarized) ?

- or is it the science behind the Lucy Calkins reading method out of Columbia university?

If you actually understood science, you would understand what cherry picking is and why it doesn’t prove anything.

I guess they don’t think much about clean water and clean air either.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not right wing. But where I live (deep blue state, deep blue district, deep blue school board) the only serious efforts at book banning have come from the left. There aren’t enough right-wingers here to even try it.

The left here has also tried to decimate rigor in education, kept the schools closed for far longer than necessary, enacted restorative justice that destroyed classroom discipline, and stopped having kids read whole books because whole books were too hard to understand.

I just can’t see the Democrats as the party of education any more.

+1000
The dumbing down of education is most definitely coming from the left. The idea that kids should now only be assigned excerpts to read because they "couldn't possibly" manage to read entire books comes from the left. Our all-D school board advocates idiotic policies like this.

What do their republican counterparts think of science?

You mean like there's unlimited numbers of genders? That science???

There’s plenty of research on how brain structure doesnt always match external genetallia. It’s perfectly defensible to say that some people are born the “wrong” gender.

In the department of philosophy, sure.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not right wing. But where I live (deep blue state, deep blue district, deep blue school board) the only serious efforts at book banning have come from the left. There aren’t enough right-wingers here to even try it.

The left here has also tried to decimate rigor in education, kept the schools closed for far longer than necessary, enacted restorative justice that destroyed classroom discipline, and stopped having kids read whole books because whole books were too hard to understand.

I just can’t see the Democrats as the party of education any more.

+1000
The dumbing down of education is most definitely coming from the left. The idea that kids should now only be assigned excerpts to read because they "couldn't possibly" manage to read entire books comes from the left. Our all-D school board advocates idiotic policies like this.

What do their republican counterparts think of science?

You mean like there's unlimited numbers of genders? That science???

There’s plenty of research on how brain structure doesnt always match external genetallia. It’s perfectly defensible to say that some people are born the “wrong” gender.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not right wing. But where I live (deep blue state, deep blue district, deep blue school board) the only serious efforts at book banning have come from the left. There aren’t enough right-wingers here to even try it.

The left here has also tried to decimate rigor in education, kept the schools closed for far longer than necessary, enacted restorative justice that destroyed classroom discipline, and stopped having kids read whole books because whole books were too hard to understand.

I just can’t see the Democrats as the party of education any more.

+1000
The dumbing down of education is most definitely coming from the left. The idea that kids should now only be assigned excerpts to read because they "couldn't possibly" manage to read entire books comes from the left. Our all-D school board advocates idiotic policies like this.

What do their republican counterparts think of science?

You mean the science behind the belief there are 57 genders?

- or the science contained in former Harvard President Claudine Gay’s paltry 11 published research papers (which were mostly plagiarized) ?

- or is it the science behind the Lucy Calkins reading method out of Columbia university?

If you actually understood science, you would understand what cherry picking is and why it doesn’t prove anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping books out of ES and MS is NOT banning books IMO. If you prevent them from being printed or published, that is banning books.

I agree - and Republicans have *never* tried to prevent any book from being printed, published, or sold. Liberals, otoh, were outraged when Target sold “Irreversible Damage” by Abigail Shrier and demanded they take it off their shelves - which Target did, temporarily.

Republicans simply don't want sexually explicit books in school libraries.Not sure how you can argue with that when you can easily borrow them from any public library or order them from Amazon to share with your kids.

Then why are books regularly challenged that deal with racism, sexism, bullying, gay marriage, and non-explicit LGBTQ content?

Even when there’s no explicit sexual content, Republicans will claim there is, because they define the very existence of gay people as deviancy. Any mention of homosexuality, any depiction of same-sex parents, and the Moms for Liberty types immediately jump to “perverts!! what are they doing in bed?” Notice how they don’t do that for the thousands and thousands of heterosexual people depicted in books. Shouldn’t we be challenging the Berenstain Bears? Just what are Mom and Pop Bear doing in bed together? They’ve had sex at least twice and presumably share a bed, which makes them offensive role models for children.

If you find that weird and gross, you’ve just identified the hypocrisy behind automatically challenging LGBTQ content.

As for “just order it from Amazon!”, for many kids, the school library is their only way to access books. Not all kids can afford to buy books. Not all kids live within walking distance of a public library. That’s a flimsy rationalization that allows people to feel good about blocking access to representation for the kids who need it most. It’s important for kids to see themselves reflected in books. It’s important for young people to feel empowered about who they are. It’s important for young women to understand and take ownership of their bodies. Taking these books out of school libraries sends a loud and clear message: “You don’t matter, your questions don’t matter, and your struggles don’t matter. Keep quiet. Society wants you erased.”

This forum is full of posts whining about how white men feel hated and persecuted, but they’re not the ones being scrubbed out of libraries.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not right wing. But where I live (deep blue state, deep blue district, deep blue school board) the only serious efforts at book banning have come from the left. There aren’t enough right-wingers here to even try it.

The left here has also tried to decimate rigor in education, kept the schools closed for far longer than necessary, enacted restorative justice that destroyed classroom discipline, and stopped having kids read whole books because whole books were too hard to understand.

I just can’t see the Democrats as the party of education any more.

+1000
The dumbing down of education is most definitely coming from the left. The idea that kids should now only be assigned excerpts to read because they "couldn't possibly" manage to read entire books comes from the left. Our all-D school board advocates idiotic policies like this.

What do their republican counterparts think of science?

Nobody here thinks the Republicans care at all about education. They are only pointing out that the Democrats don’t care about education either. And for a lot of us in blue states, it is the Democrats who have made the education of our children measurably worse. I can’t say I care too much about education in Mississippi when my local deep blue Democratic school board has gutted advanced math and won’t let teachers assign complete books any more.

Then vote in a better school board. There are plenty of Democrats who would enact sensible education policies at the local level.

I haven’t seen any in my deep blue district. All the Democrats that run have to essentially run and govern as progressives and therefore gut education.

It is ridiculous to demand that I believe that the Democrats are better at education at this point. I see no evidence of that whatsoever in any touchpoints I personally have with education. Literally on every single point, the Democrats are worse.

His immigration policies get less and less every day, and he just keeps doubling down.

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2025/jul/20/opinion-americas-anti-immigrant-fever-is-starting/

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not right wing. But where I live (deep blue state, deep blue district, deep blue school board) the only serious efforts at book banning have come from the left. There aren’t enough right-wingers here to even try it.

The left here has also tried to decimate rigor in education, kept the schools closed for far longer than necessary, enacted restorative justice that destroyed classroom discipline, and stopped having kids read whole books because whole books were too hard to understand.

I just can’t see the Democrats as the party of education any more.

Nope. Rs as a whole are trying to destroy education in this country so the electorate is
uneducated. They don’t believe in science and trying to undermine universities.

Why are red states at the bottom
in education?

Just desperately repeating talking points doesn’t do a lot to persuade people whose lived experiences teach them that Democrats care no more about
education than Republicans.

Repeating this over and over doesn’t make it true. You still haven’t refuted any of the points made.

Rs don’t believe in science


Red states are at the bottom in education.

Republicans do not want an educated public.

Two blue states are also at the bottom in education - New Mexico and Arizona. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

Republicans absolutely believe in science and want an educated public. They do not want an indoctrinated public.

Why is this administration gutting the NIH, cutting funds towards cancer research and other diseases? The Rs in Congress support that.

Lmao…they nominated RFK jr.

They have no interest science, at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not right wing. But where I live (deep blue state, deep blue district, deep blue school board) the only serious efforts at book banning have come from the left. There aren’t enough right-wingers here to even try it.

The left here has also tried to decimate rigor in education, kept the schools closed for far longer than necessary, enacted restorative justice that destroyed classroom discipline, and stopped having kids read whole books because whole books were too hard to understand.

I just can’t see the Democrats as the party of education any more.

Nope. Rs as a whole are trying to destroy education in this country so the electorate is
uneducated. They don’t believe in science and trying to undermine universities.

Why are red states at the bottom
in education?

Just desperately repeating talking points doesn’t do a lot to persuade people whose lived experiences teach them that Democrats care no more about
education than Republicans.

Repeating this over and over doesn’t make it true. You still haven’t refuted any of the points made.

Rs don’t believe in science


Red states are at the bottom in education.

Republicans do not want an educated public.

Two blue states are also at the bottom in education - New Mexico and Arizona. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

Republicans absolutely believe in science and want an educated public. They do not want an indoctrinated public.

Why is this administration gutting the NIH, cutting funds towards cancer research and other diseases? The Rs in Congress support that.

Newtons Law

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not right wing. But where I live (deep blue state, deep blue district, deep blue school board) the only serious efforts at book banning have come from the left. There aren’t enough right-wingers here to even try it.

The left here has also tried to decimate rigor in education, kept the schools closed for far longer than necessary, enacted restorative justice that destroyed classroom discipline, and stopped having kids read whole books because whole books were too hard to understand.

I just can’t see the Democrats as the party of education any more.

+1000
The dumbing down of education is most definitely coming from the left. The idea that kids should now only be assigned excerpts to read because they "couldn't possibly" manage to read entire books comes from the left. Our all-D school board advocates idiotic policies like this.

What do their republican counterparts think of science?

You mean the science behind the belief there are 57 genders?

- or the science contained in former Harvard President Claudine Gay’s paltry 11 published research papers (which were mostly plagiarized) ?

- or is it the science behind the Lucy Calkins reading method out of Columbia university?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not right wing. But where I live (deep blue state, deep blue district, deep blue school board) the only serious efforts at book banning have come from the left. There aren’t enough right-wingers here to even try it.

The left here has also tried to decimate rigor in education, kept the schools closed for far longer than necessary, enacted restorative justice that destroyed classroom discipline, and stopped having kids read whole books because whole books were too hard to understand.

I just can’t see the Democrats as the party of education any more.

+1000
The dumbing down of education is most definitely coming from the left. The idea that kids should now only be assigned excerpts to read because they "couldn't possibly" manage to read entire books comes from the left. Our all-D school board advocates idiotic policies like this.

What do their republican counterparts think of science?

You mean like there's unlimited numbers of genders? That science???