Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am not a troll. I’m the parent of a HS sophomore who is killing themselves excelling in school and participating in extracurriculars to be competitive for T20.
At the same time, I see parents on here posting how their kid went to Cornell and ended up in the same place as someone who went to Pitt or another similarly ranked school.
At the same time, in my job I work alongside people who have gone to ivies and schools I’ve never heard of. I went to Michigan, btw.
My sister did her undergraduate at Oxford, stayed in the UK and is now partner at a well respected consulting firm alongside other partners that went to no name schools from India.
So seeing the stress my kid goes through, I am honestly asking what is the point of a Yale or Princeton if they take you to the same place that a school like Rutgers and Radford can take you?!
You premise is wrong. An individual can absolutely end up in the same place. But the average graduate does not and it is not even remotely close between Yale/Princeton and Rutgers/Radford.
Anonymous wrote:A friend’s son is a business major at a middling state flagship. He applied, and worked very hard, to win a coveted internship working on the school’s endowment. Through this connection he is now interning at a PE firm where all of the other interns go to Princeton. So yes, he is working side by side with Princeton kids but he knows that he will have to work twice as hard to get the same respect from his peers and bosses.
Anonymous wrote:I am not a troll. I’m the parent of a HS sophomore who is killing themselves excelling in school and participating in extracurriculars to be competitive for T20.
At the same time, I see parents on here posting how their kid went to Cornell and ended up in the same place as someone who went to Pitt or another similarly ranked school.
At the same time, in my job I work alongside people who have gone to ivies and schools I’ve never heard of. I went to Michigan, btw.
My sister did her undergraduate at Oxford, stayed in the UK and is now partner at a well respected consulting firm alongside other partners that went to no name schools from India.
So seeing the stress my kid goes through, I am honestly asking what is the point of a Yale or Princeton if they take you to the same place that a school like Rutgers and Radford can take you?!
Anonymous wrote:A friend’s son is a business major at a middling state flagship. He applied, and worked very hard, to win a coveted internship working on the school’s endowment. Through this connection he is now interning at a PE firm where all of the other interns go to Princeton. So yes, he is working side by side with Princeton kids but he knows that he will have to work twice as hard to get the same respect from his peers and bosses.
Anonymous wrote:A friend’s son is a business major at a middling state flagship. He applied, and worked very hard, to win a coveted internship working on the school’s endowment. Through this connection he is now interning at a PE firm where all of the other interns go to Princeton. So yes, he is working side by side with Princeton kids but he knows that he will have to work twice as hard to get the same respect from his peers and bosses.
Anonymous wrote:A friend’s son is a business major at a middling state flagship. He applied, and worked very hard, to win a coveted internship working on the school’s endowment. Through this connection he is now interning at a PE firm where all of the other interns go to Princeton. So yes, he is working side by side with Princeton kids but he knows that he will have to work twice as hard to get the same respect from his peers and bosses.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lots of talk here about the Ivy+, but how is it for publics like Berekely, UCLA, Michigan, and UVA? Do they open doors, or are they comparable to any other flagship public
The "public ivies" are definitely better than flyover flagships. But if you have a choice between the best public ivy and the weakest actual ivy, go with the ivy.
there is no such thing as ivy+ or public ivy. these are just coping mechanisms.
There is nothing special about any ivies other than HYP. Those non-HYP ivies had to invent things like ED to make sure people don't use them as backup. Cornell has to give guaranteed transfer options to fill the spots of kids who leave. Plenty of kids take Michigan or Berkeley over Cornell. Cornell's yield with ED is in the sixties.
Anonymous wrote:Lots of talk here about the Ivy+, but how is it for publics like Berekely, UCLA, Michigan, and UVA? Do they open doors, or are they comparable to any other flagship public
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So unfortunately after 19 pages of comments, the only person who could quantify a person doing better after going to an ivy, was the poster whose friend married a guy who makes bank. Yikes.
Well I’m also a SAHM married to a partner who is making bank, and we BOTH went to no-name universities. So does that cancel out the other comment?
Yes it does.👍
I’ll double cancel it. I’m married to a guy who makes a ton, and his college folded and doesn’t even exist anymore. It was a no name before that.
Sometimes it really doesn’t matter where you go.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So unfortunately after 19 pages of comments, the only person who could quantify a person doing better after going to an ivy, was the poster whose friend married a guy who makes bank. Yikes.
Well I’m also a SAHM married to a partner who is making bank, and we BOTH went to no-name universities. So does that cancel out the other comment?
Yes it does.👍
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m an over achiever graduate of hard knocks university who works with high achievers from Ivys (@ a MBB)
I am jealous they had Uber Black lives and I had Uber Pool … on one hand we’re now at the same destination but on the other it would have been nice to have an easier ride here and that line on my resume that always guaranteed it was read.
The truth is, it is somewhat soul crushing to realize that the doors really aren’t open to everyone. You can scan this thread and see that the C suite isn’t achievable to the best candidate because the best candidate never gets selected to even work in strategy, let alone work in the ladder to the top. Achieving, keeping and advancing in this top consulting firm I now have a possible future here but I’m a rare breakout example
My college roommates and friends are my soulmates but they aren’t famous or connected and that’s great - I love them and they make my life richer decades after graduation.
The problem is things like the bolded are not true. They are like these DCUM myths that may have had a small sliver of truth at some point but people here (erroneously) believe them to be factual statements of how the world works.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lots of talk here about the Ivy+, but how is it for publics like Berekely, UCLA, Michigan, and UVA? Do they open doors, or are they comparable to any other flagship public
The "public ivies" are definitely better than flyover flagships. But if you have a choice between the best public ivy and the weakest actual ivy, go with the ivy.
there is no such thing as ivy+ or public ivy. these are just coping mechanisms.
There is nothing special about any ivies other than HYP. Those non-HYP ivies had to invent things like ED to make sure people don't use them as backup. Cornell has to give guaranteed transfer options to fill the spots of kids who leave. Plenty of kids take Michigan or Berkeley over Cornell. Cornell's yield with ED is in the sixties.