Should be van Hollen actually.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully none of those mentioned. We need moderates, it’s a landslide if you put up a moderate.

She’s not my favor but Whitmer is a moderate and she’s mentioned right there in the thread title. She won by 11 points in a swing state.

The Right will never elect a woman. We need someone who can win Red states.

Dems don't need red states to win a POTUS election. They need a few purple states. Whitmer is a multi-term Governor of a purple state you sexist two-bit fool.

Wow. I’ve never been insulted quite like that. FWIW, I’m a female Dem who worked on the campaigns but I saw Trump’s victories coming in ‘16 and ‘24, and a large part of it is due to know-it-all Dems. You must be a peach.

If you're truly a female and worked on political campaigns, you should first of all know the difference between red and purple states and second of all, you should know better than to insult every other woman in the world with your 1950s view of women.

I truly am. My post was as true as the TWO fundraising texts I got today from Robert Peters, the Dem who holds Obama’s former state Senate seat, Cherlyn Stevenson, DSCC in support of ActBlue, Rep.Maxwell Frost, and one mass email with pix of three candidates. And it is not even 7 pm yet! I meant what I said - we can’t expect to win by just going after purple states and ignoring the red. This is one reason I admire Pete so much.

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Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

You're forgetting one thing. Just like Vance, Pence, Harris, Mondale... Rubio is currently and will presumably still be working in the Administration of a very unpopular POTUS in 2028. History tells us, for those that care enough to pay attention, people associated with very unpopular presidents have zero chance of winning a POTUS election themselves; especially when that unpopular POTUS is the current sitting POTUS.

Even if you weren't aware of this history, it's basic common sense. Swing voters in swing states are always sold on the message of change. When the sitting POTUS has a 40% job approval rating, there is absolutely zero chance of enough of these swing voters in swing states jumping on board with someone associated with that POTUS based on their promise of "change". This is why Harris had zero chance of winning in 2024. This is why Vance's political career will be over in January 2029. This is why Pence's political career is over. This is why Mondale got beat 49 states to 1 in 1984.

None of this is rocket science. Think. Read.

Rubio isn't JD Vance. He may be Secretary of State now, but so far he has a separate identity from MAGA nutcases.

He will be a formidable candidate.

Democrats are all Trump, Trump, Trump right now - and doing very poorly in their opposition. And as always, they think they can run lame candidates like a Biden or Harris to beat a Trump redux bc everyone will want change.

But I do think a Rubio or a Haley absolutely destroys Democrats even after four years of Trump. So far, Democrats are offering nothing except an alternative to Trump, which didn't work well last time around. And they have no answer to a competent Republican nominee.

I mean who beats Rubio in Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and North Carolina?

It's very early, but I too think Pritzker is a strong candidate now. I think AOC is too young, but anyone that can get the Sanders movement going will have a solid chance. A movement candidate. But the people mentioned here - Shapiro, Whitmer, Beshear, Newsome - have no chance against Rubio in the swing states.

Rubio couldn't even look normal drinking some water. What do you think he offers anyone anymore? Turning his back on Cubans and Venezuelans and Afghanis? Stripping students of their visas and throwing them in jail because he didn't like an op-ed?

He's got no charisma, no backbone, and nothing to run on anymore. He can't even offer himself as turning the page on Trump - because he's right there, doing the worst things you can do at Trump's behest.

Haley would be a great gen pop candidate but she'll never make it through the Rs' ludicrous primary.

History and a little common sense tells us no one who is a member of the Trump Administration will have a chance in 2028. Just ask Harris, Mondale or Pence what it is like running for POTUS after you've been associated with very unpopular presidents. That association is never broken in the eyes of way too many voters.

Haley is an example of a potential GOP candidate who could possibly have a chance in 2028 due to her remaining detached from Trump for the most part. Still though, the odds of a GOP candidate winning in 2028 with a historically unpopular sitting GOP POTUS in office are next to nothing. The Dems will have to run someone even weaker than Biden in order for the GOP to have a chance in 2028 and I just don't see that happening.

You might not like Trump, but he is far from "an unpopular President".

He is historically unpopular

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Trump, Biden, & Carter are on an island by themselves as far unpopularity goes. Carter's unpopularity had everything to do with the economy. Trump and Biden's unpopularity has everything to do with them being arrogant, elderly, unfit, jerks who never should have been nominated by a major political party in the first place and Trump is also unhinged.

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Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

You're forgetting one thing. Just like Vance, Pence, Harris, Mondale... Rubio is currently and will presumably still be working in the Administration of a very unpopular POTUS in 2028. History tells us, for those that care enough to pay attention, people associated with very unpopular presidents have zero chance of winning a POTUS election themselves; especially when that unpopular POTUS is the current sitting POTUS.

Even if you weren't aware of this history, it's basic common sense. Swing voters in swing states are always sold on the message of change. When the sitting POTUS has a 40% job approval rating, there is absolutely zero chance of enough of these swing voters in swing states jumping on board with someone associated with that POTUS based on their promise of "change". This is why Harris had zero chance of winning in 2024. This is why Vance's political career will be over in January 2029. This is why Pence's political career is over. This is why Mondale got beat 49 states to 1 in 1984.

None of this is rocket science. Think. Read.

Rubio isn't JD Vance. He may be Secretary of State now, but so far he has a separate identity from MAGA nutcases.

He will be a formidable candidate.

Democrats are all Trump, Trump, Trump right now - and doing very poorly in their opposition. And as always, they think they can run lame candidates like a Biden or Harris to beat a Trump redux bc everyone will want change.

But I do think a Rubio or a Haley absolutely destroys Democrats even after four years of Trump. So far, Democrats are offering nothing except an alternative to Trump, which didn't work well last time around. And they have no answer to a competent Republican nominee.

I mean who beats Rubio in Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and North Carolina?

It's very early, but I too think Pritzker is a strong candidate now. I think AOC is too young, but anyone that can get the Sanders movement going will have a solid chance. A movement candidate. But the people mentioned here - Shapiro, Whitmer, Beshear, Newsome - have no chance against Rubio in the swing states.

Rubio couldn't even look normal drinking some water. What do you think he offers anyone anymore? Turning his back on Cubans and Venezuelans and Afghanis? Stripping students of their visas and throwing them in jail because he didn't like an op-ed?

He's got no charisma, no backbone, and nothing to run on anymore. He can't even offer himself as turning the page on Trump - because he's right there, doing the worst things you can do at Trump's behest.

Haley would be a great gen pop candidate but she'll never make it through the Rs' ludicrous primary.

History and a little common sense tells us no one who is a member of the Trump Administration will have a chance in 2028. Just ask Harris, Mondale or Pence what it is like running for POTUS after you've been associated with very unpopular presidents. That association is never broken in the eyes of way too many voters.

Haley is an example of a potential GOP candidate who could possibly have a chance in 2028 due to her remaining detached from Trump for the most part. Still though, the odds of a GOP candidate winning in 2028 with a historically unpopular sitting GOP POTUS in office are next to nothing. The Dems will have to run someone even weaker than Biden in order for the GOP to have a chance in 2028 and I just don't see that happening.

You might not like Trump, but he is far from "an unpopular President".

He is historically unpopular

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Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

You're forgetting one thing. Just like Vance, Pence, Harris, Mondale... Rubio is currently and will presumably still be working in the Administration of a very unpopular POTUS in 2028. History tells us, for those that care enough to pay attention, people associated with very unpopular presidents have zero chance of winning a POTUS election themselves; especially when that unpopular POTUS is the current sitting POTUS.

Even if you weren't aware of this history, it's basic common sense. Swing voters in swing states are always sold on the message of change. When the sitting POTUS has a 40% job approval rating, there is absolutely zero chance of enough of these swing voters in swing states jumping on board with someone associated with that POTUS based on their promise of "change". This is why Harris had zero chance of winning in 2024. This is why Vance's political career will be over in January 2029. This is why Pence's political career is over. This is why Mondale got beat 49 states to 1 in 1984.

None of this is rocket science. Think. Read.

Rubio isn't JD Vance. He may be Secretary of State now, but so far he has a separate identity from MAGA nutcases.

He will be a formidable candidate.

Democrats are all Trump, Trump, Trump right now - and doing very poorly in their opposition. And as always, they think they can run lame candidates like a Biden or Harris to beat a Trump redux bc everyone will want change.

But I do think a Rubio or a Haley absolutely destroys Democrats even after four years of Trump. So far, Democrats are offering nothing except an alternative to Trump, which didn't work well last time around. And they have no answer to a competent Republican nominee.

I mean who beats Rubio in Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and North Carolina?

It's very early, but I too think Pritzker is a strong candidate now. I think AOC is too young, but anyone that can get the Sanders movement going will have a solid chance. A movement candidate. But the people mentioned here - Shapiro, Whitmer, Beshear, Newsome - have no chance against Rubio in the swing states.

Rubio couldn't even look normal drinking some water. What do you think he offers anyone anymore? Turning his back on Cubans and Venezuelans and Afghanis? Stripping students of their visas and throwing them in jail because he didn't like an op-ed?

He's got no charisma, no backbone, and nothing to run on anymore. He can't even offer himself as turning the page on Trump - because he's right there, doing the worst things you can do at Trump's behest.

Haley would be a great gen pop candidate but she'll never make it through the Rs' ludicrous primary.

History and a little common sense tells us no one who is a member of the Trump Administration will have a chance in 2028. Just ask Harris, Mondale or Pence what it is like running for POTUS after you've been associated with very unpopular presidents. That association is never broken in the eyes of way too many voters.

Haley is an example of a potential GOP candidate who could possibly have a chance in 2028 due to her remaining detached from Trump for the most part. Still though, the odds of a GOP candidate winning in 2028 with a historically unpopular sitting GOP POTUS in office are next to nothing. The Dems will have to run someone even weaker than Biden in order for the GOP to have a chance in 2028 and I just don't see that happening.

She could win in a general but you think this clown car of a party is ever going to nominate someone as normie as her? I don't. Nice to think they could - even though I dislike her! but I don't think she's unhinged and dangerous. I just don't believe it for a second.

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Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

You're forgetting one thing. Just like Vance, Pence, Harris, Mondale... Rubio is currently and will presumably still be working in the Administration of a very unpopular POTUS in 2028. History tells us, for those that care enough to pay attention, people associated with very unpopular presidents have zero chance of winning a POTUS election themselves; especially when that unpopular POTUS is the current sitting POTUS.

Even if you weren't aware of this history, it's basic common sense. Swing voters in swing states are always sold on the message of change. When the sitting POTUS has a 40% job approval rating, there is absolutely zero chance of enough of these swing voters in swing states jumping on board with someone associated with that POTUS based on their promise of "change". This is why Harris had zero chance of winning in 2024. This is why Vance's political career will be over in January 2029. This is why Pence's political career is over. This is why Mondale got beat 49 states to 1 in 1984.

None of this is rocket science. Think. Read.

Rubio isn't JD Vance. He may be Secretary of State now, but so far he has a separate identity from MAGA nutcases.

He will be a formidable candidate.

Democrats are all Trump, Trump, Trump right now - and doing very poorly in their opposition. And as always, they think they can run lame candidates like a Biden or Harris to beat a Trump redux bc everyone will want change.

But I do think a Rubio or a Haley absolutely destroys Democrats even after four years of Trump. So far, Democrats are offering nothing except an alternative to Trump, which didn't work well last time around. And they have no answer to a competent Republican nominee.

I mean who beats Rubio in Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and North Carolina?

It's very early, but I too think Pritzker is a strong candidate now. I think AOC is too young, but anyone that can get the Sanders movement going will have a solid chance. A movement candidate. But the people mentioned here - Shapiro, Whitmer, Beshear, Newsome - have no chance against Rubio in the swing states.

Rubio couldn't even look normal drinking some water. What do you think he offers anyone anymore? Turning his back on Cubans and Venezuelans and Afghanis? Stripping students of their visas and throwing them in jail because he didn't like an op-ed?

He's got no charisma, no backbone, and nothing to run on anymore. He can't even offer himself as turning the page on Trump - because he's right there, doing the worst things you can do at Trump's behest.

Haley would be a great gen pop candidate but she'll never make it through the Rs' ludicrous primary.

History and a little common sense tells us no one who is a member of the Trump Administration will have a chance in 2028. Just ask Harris, Mondale or Pence what it is like running for POTUS after you've been associated with very unpopular presidents. That association is never broken in the eyes of way too many voters.

Haley is an example of a potential GOP candidate who could possibly have a chance in 2028 due to her remaining detached from Trump for the most part. Still though, the odds of a GOP candidate winning in 2028 with a historically unpopular sitting GOP POTUS in office are next to nothing. The Dems will have to run someone even weaker than Biden in order for the GOP to have a chance in 2028 and I just don't see that happening.

You might not like Trump, but he is far from "an unpopular President".

Trump, with all of the advantages of being the incumbent seeking a second term, LOST to an unlikable 77 year old bag of bones who had nothing but a prior history of immediate failure when seeking political office outside of Delaware. Let me repeat this, Trump LOST to Joe fricking Biden. Trump followed up that embarrassment by not even being able to secure 50% of the popular vote when running against the a last minute replacement candidate for that unfit bag of bones he LOST to in the previous election. His average approval rating barely tops 40%.

This, my friend, is the biography of one of the most unpopular presidents of all time. Put the crack pipe down and read a book or something.

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Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

You're forgetting one thing. Just like Vance, Pence, Harris, Mondale... Rubio is currently and will presumably still be working in the Administration of a very unpopular POTUS in 2028. History tells us, for those that care enough to pay attention, people associated with very unpopular presidents have zero chance of winning a POTUS election themselves; especially when that unpopular POTUS is the current sitting POTUS.

Even if you weren't aware of this history, it's basic common sense. Swing voters in swing states are always sold on the message of change. When the sitting POTUS has a 40% job approval rating, there is absolutely zero chance of enough of these swing voters in swing states jumping on board with someone associated with that POTUS based on their promise of "change". This is why Harris had zero chance of winning in 2024. This is why Vance's political career will be over in January 2029. This is why Pence's political career is over. This is why Mondale got beat 49 states to 1 in 1984.

None of this is rocket science. Think. Read.

Rubio isn't JD Vance. He may be Secretary of State now, but so far he has a separate identity from MAGA nutcases.

He will be a formidable candidate.

Democrats are all Trump, Trump, Trump right now - and doing very poorly in their opposition. And as always, they think they can run lame candidates like a Biden or Harris to beat a Trump redux bc everyone will want change.

But I do think a Rubio or a Haley absolutely destroys Democrats even after four years of Trump. So far, Democrats are offering nothing except an alternative to Trump, which didn't work well last time around. And they have no answer to a competent Republican nominee.

I mean who beats Rubio in Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and North Carolina?

It's very early, but I too think Pritzker is a strong candidate now. I think AOC is too young, but anyone that can get the Sanders movement going will have a solid chance. A movement candidate. But the people mentioned here - Shapiro, Whitmer, Beshear, Newsome - have no chance against Rubio in the swing states.

Rubio couldn't even look normal drinking some water. What do you think he offers anyone anymore? Turning his back on Cubans and Venezuelans and Afghanis? Stripping students of their visas and throwing them in jail because he didn't like an op-ed?

He's got no charisma, no backbone, and nothing to run on anymore. He can't even offer himself as turning the page on Trump - because he's right there, doing the worst things you can do at Trump's behest.

Haley would be a great gen pop candidate but she'll never make it through the Rs' ludicrous primary.

History and a little common sense tells us no one who is a member of the Trump Administration will have a chance in 2028. Just ask Harris, Mondale or Pence what it is like running for POTUS after you've been associated with very unpopular presidents. That association is never broken in the eyes of way too many voters.

Haley is an example of a potential GOP candidate who could possibly have a chance in 2028 due to her remaining detached from Trump for the most part. Still though, the odds of a GOP candidate winning in 2028 with a historically unpopular sitting GOP POTUS in office are next to nothing. The Dems will have to run someone even weaker than Biden in order for the GOP to have a chance in 2028 and I just don't see that happening.

Haley is another Harris, running on biography. And a warmonger to boot.

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Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

You're forgetting one thing. Just like Vance, Pence, Harris, Mondale... Rubio is currently and will presumably still be working in the Administration of a very unpopular POTUS in 2028. History tells us, for those that care enough to pay attention, people associated with very unpopular presidents have zero chance of winning a POTUS election themselves; especially when that unpopular POTUS is the current sitting POTUS.

Even if you weren't aware of this history, it's basic common sense. Swing voters in swing states are always sold on the message of change. When the sitting POTUS has a 40% job approval rating, there is absolutely zero chance of enough of these swing voters in swing states jumping on board with someone associated with that POTUS based on their promise of "change". This is why Harris had zero chance of winning in 2024. This is why Vance's political career will be over in January 2029. This is why Pence's political career is over. This is why Mondale got beat 49 states to 1 in 1984.

None of this is rocket science. Think. Read.

Rubio isn't JD Vance. He may be Secretary of State now, but so far he has a separate identity from MAGA nutcases.

He will be a formidable candidate.

Democrats are all Trump, Trump, Trump right now - and doing very poorly in their opposition. And as always, they think they can run lame candidates like a Biden or Harris to beat a Trump redux bc everyone will want change.

But I do think a Rubio or a Haley absolutely destroys Democrats even after four years of Trump. So far, Democrats are offering nothing except an alternative to Trump, which didn't work well last time around. And they have no answer to a competent Republican nominee.

I mean who beats Rubio in Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and North Carolina?

It's very early, but I too think Pritzker is a strong candidate now. I think AOC is too young, but anyone that can get the Sanders movement going will have a solid chance. A movement candidate. But the people mentioned here - Shapiro, Whitmer, Beshear, Newsome - have no chance against Rubio in the swing states.

Rubio couldn't even look normal drinking some water. What do you think he offers anyone anymore? Turning his back on Cubans and Venezuelans and Afghanis? Stripping students of their visas and throwing them in jail because he didn't like an op-ed?

He's got no charisma, no backbone, and nothing to run on anymore. He can't even offer himself as turning the page on Trump - because he's right there, doing the worst things you can do at Trump's behest.

Haley would be a great gen pop candidate but she'll never make it through the Rs' ludicrous primary.

History and a little common sense tells us no one who is a member of the Trump Administration will have a chance in 2028. Just ask Harris, Mondale or Pence what it is like running for POTUS after you've been associated with very unpopular presidents. That association is never broken in the eyes of way too many voters.

Haley is an example of a potential GOP candidate who could possibly have a chance in 2028 due to her remaining detached from Trump for the most part. Still though, the odds of a GOP candidate winning in 2028 with a historically unpopular sitting GOP POTUS in office are next to nothing. The Dems will have to run someone even weaker than Biden in order for the GOP to have a chance in 2028 and I just don't see that happening.

You might not like Trump, but he is far from "an unpopular President".

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Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

You're forgetting one thing. Just like Vance, Pence, Harris, Mondale... Rubio is currently and will presumably still be working in the Administration of a very unpopular POTUS in 2028. History tells us, for those that care enough to pay attention, people associated with very unpopular presidents have zero chance of winning a POTUS election themselves; especially when that unpopular POTUS is the current sitting POTUS.

Even if you weren't aware of this history, it's basic common sense. Swing voters in swing states are always sold on the message of change. When the sitting POTUS has a 40% job approval rating, there is absolutely zero chance of enough of these swing voters in swing states jumping on board with someone associated with that POTUS based on their promise of "change". This is why Harris had zero chance of winning in 2024. This is why Vance's political career will be over in January 2029. This is why Pence's political career is over. This is why Mondale got beat 49 states to 1 in 1984.

None of this is rocket science. Think. Read.

Rubio isn't JD Vance. He may be Secretary of State now, but so far he has a separate identity from MAGA nutcases.

He will be a formidable candidate.

Democrats are all Trump, Trump, Trump right now - and doing very poorly in their opposition. And as always, they think they can run lame candidates like a Biden or Harris to beat a Trump redux bc everyone will want change.

But I do think a Rubio or a Haley absolutely destroys Democrats even after four years of Trump. So far, Democrats are offering nothing except an alternative to Trump, which didn't work well last time around. And they have no answer to a competent Republican nominee.

I mean who beats Rubio in Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and North Carolina?

It's very early, but I too think Pritzker is a strong candidate now. I think AOC is too young, but anyone that can get the Sanders movement going will have a solid chance. A movement candidate. But the people mentioned here - Shapiro, Whitmer, Beshear, Newsome - have no chance against Rubio in the swing states.

Rubio couldn't even look normal drinking some water. What do you think he offers anyone anymore? Turning his back on Cubans and Venezuelans and Afghanis? Stripping students of their visas and throwing them in jail because he didn't like an op-ed?

He's got no charisma, no backbone, and nothing to run on anymore. He can't even offer himself as turning the page on Trump - because he's right there, doing the worst things you can do at Trump's behest.

Haley would be a great gen pop candidate but she'll never make it through the Rs' ludicrous primary.

History and a little common sense tells us no one who is a member of the Trump Administration will have a chance in 2028. Just ask Harris, Mondale or Pence what it is like running for POTUS after you've been associated with very unpopular presidents. That association is never broken in the eyes of way too many voters.

Haley is an example of a potential GOP candidate who could possibly have a chance in 2028 due to her remaining detached from Trump for the most part. Still though, the odds of a GOP candidate winning in 2028 with a historically unpopular sitting GOP POTUS in office are next to nothing. The Dems will have to run someone even weaker than Biden in order for the GOP to have a chance in 2028 and I just don't see that happening.

Democrats lost to Donald Trump. Twice. Trump is the most freakishly unfit president in the history of the United States. And still Democrats lost to him. Twice.

And I have yet to see any reflection among Democrats about why they lost. They tried running an old white man - loser. They tried running a woman of color - loser. They tried running the spouse of a former president - loser.

It might actually be issues that are sinking Democrats - from illegal immigration to crime to race-based hiring to aggressive use of the military to little things like browbeating people into putting gender pronouns into their emails. Right now, the Democrats' coalition is black women and highly educated white women. That doesn't win national elections. The only thing keeping Democrats remotely viable is Trump.

But in '28, Trump won't be on the ballot. A Rubio or Haley will run the tables on Democrats once the Trump albatross is gone. And I'm not seeing that much to counter it. I personally think Democrats really need to lean into class, economic insecurity, health insurance, safe communities, good schools, and competent government. And I don't see any of that. I think Democrats are in a far weaker position than they realize. It's early, but barring anything changing significantly, a Rubio or Haley is going to crush Democrats if they don't come up with the right candidate. Even after four years of unpopular Trump, it will still not be an easy election for Democrats. Because Democrats suck at politics and building winning coalitions.

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I'll be interested to hear who the ors are?

This. There needs to be some good "ors" or we're doomed.

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Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

You're forgetting one thing. Just like Vance, Pence, Harris, Mondale... Rubio is currently and will presumably still be working in the Administration of a very unpopular POTUS in 2028. History tells us, for those that care enough to pay attention, people associated with very unpopular presidents have zero chance of winning a POTUS election themselves; especially when that unpopular POTUS is the current sitting POTUS.

Even if you weren't aware of this history, it's basic common sense. Swing voters in swing states are always sold on the message of change. When the sitting POTUS has a 40% job approval rating, there is absolutely zero chance of enough of these swing voters in swing states jumping on board with someone associated with that POTUS based on their promise of "change". This is why Harris had zero chance of winning in 2024. This is why Vance's political career will be over in January 2029. This is why Pence's political career is over. This is why Mondale got beat 49 states to 1 in 1984.

None of this is rocket science. Think. Read.

Rubio isn't JD Vance. He may be Secretary of State now, but so far he has a separate identity from MAGA nutcases.

He will be a formidable candidate.

Democrats are all Trump, Trump, Trump right now - and doing very poorly in their opposition. And as always, they think they can run lame candidates like a Biden or Harris to beat a Trump redux bc everyone will want change.

But I do think a Rubio or a Haley absolutely destroys Democrats even after four years of Trump. So far, Democrats are offering nothing except an alternative to Trump, which didn't work well last time around. And they have no answer to a competent Republican nominee.

I mean who beats Rubio in Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and North Carolina?

It's very early, but I too think Pritzker is a strong candidate now. I think AOC is too young, but anyone that can get the Sanders movement going will have a solid chance. A movement candidate. But the people mentioned here - Shapiro, Whitmer, Beshear, Newsome - have no chance against Rubio in the swing states.

Rubio couldn't even look normal drinking some water. What do you think he offers anyone anymore? Turning his back on Cubans and Venezuelans and Afghanis? Stripping students of their visas and throwing them in jail because he didn't like an op-ed?

He's got no charisma, no backbone, and nothing to run on anymore. He can't even offer himself as turning the page on Trump - because he's right there, doing the worst things you can do at Trump's behest.

Haley would be a great gen pop candidate but she'll never make it through the Rs' ludicrous primary.

History and a little common sense tells us no one who is a member of the Trump Administration will have a chance in 2028. Just ask Harris, Mondale or Pence what it is like running for POTUS after you've been associated with very unpopular presidents. That association is never broken in the eyes of way too many voters.

Haley is an example of a potential GOP candidate who could possibly have a chance in 2028 due to her remaining detached from Trump for the most part. Still though, the odds of a GOP candidate winning in 2028 with a historically unpopular sitting GOP POTUS in office are next to nothing. The Dems will have to run someone even weaker than Biden in order for the GOP to have a chance in 2028 and I just don't see that happening.

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Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

You're forgetting one thing. Just like Vance, Pence, Harris, Mondale... Rubio is currently and will presumably still be working in the Administration of a very unpopular POTUS in 2028. History tells us, for those that care enough to pay attention, people associated with very unpopular presidents have zero chance of winning a POTUS election themselves; especially when that unpopular POTUS is the current sitting POTUS.

Even if you weren't aware of this history, it's basic common sense. Swing voters in swing states are always sold on the message of change. When the sitting POTUS has a 40% job approval rating, there is absolutely zero chance of enough of these swing voters in swing states jumping on board with someone associated with that POTUS based on their promise of "change". This is why Harris had zero chance of winning in 2024. This is why Vance's political career will be over in January 2029. This is why Pence's political career is over. This is why Mondale got beat 49 states to 1 in 1984.

None of this is rocket science. Think. Read.

Rubio isn't JD Vance. He may be Secretary of State now, but so far he has a separate identity from MAGA nutcases.

He will be a formidable candidate.

Democrats are all Trump, Trump, Trump right now - and doing very poorly in their opposition. And as always, they think they can run lame candidates like a Biden or Harris to beat a Trump redux bc everyone will want change.

But I do think a Rubio or a Haley absolutely destroys Democrats even after four years of Trump. So far, Democrats are offering nothing except an alternative to Trump, which didn't work well last time around. And they have no answer to a competent Republican nominee.

I mean who beats Rubio in Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and North Carolina?

It's very early, but I too think Pritzker is a strong candidate now. I think AOC is too young, but anyone that can get the Sanders movement going will have a solid chance. A movement candidate. But the people mentioned here - Shapiro, Whitmer, Beshear, Newsome - have no chance against Rubio in the swing states.

Rubio couldn't even look normal drinking some water. What do you think he offers anyone anymore? Turning his back on Cubans and Venezuelans and Afghanis? Stripping students of their visas and throwing them in jail because he didn't like an op-ed?

He's got no charisma, no backbone, and nothing to run on anymore. He can't even offer himself as turning the page on Trump - because he's right there, doing the worst things you can do at Trump's behest.

Haley would be a great gen pop candidate but she'll never make it through the Rs' ludicrous primary.

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Anonymous wrote:As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them.

You're forgetting one thing. Just like Vance, Pence, Harris, Mondale... Rubio is currently and will presumably still be working in the Administration of a very unpopular POTUS in 2028. History tells us, for those that care enough to pay attention, people associated with very unpopular presidents have zero chance of winning a POTUS election themselves; especially when that unpopular POTUS is the current sitting POTUS.

Even if you weren't aware of this history, it's basic common sense. Swing voters in swing states are always sold on the message of change. When the sitting POTUS has a 40% job approval rating, there is absolutely zero chance of enough of these swing voters in swing states jumping on board with someone associated with that POTUS based on their promise of "change". This is why Harris had zero chance of winning in 2024. This is why Vance's political career will be over in January 2029. This is why Pence's political career is over. This is why Mondale got beat 49 states to 1 in 1984.

None of this is rocket science. Think. Read.

Rubio isn't JD Vance. He may be Secretary of State now, but so far he has a separate identity from MAGA nutcases.

He will be a formidable candidate.

Democrats are all Trump, Trump, Trump right now - and doing very poorly in their opposition. And as always, they think they can run lame candidates like a Biden or Harris to beat a Trump redux bc everyone will want change.

But I do think a Rubio or a Haley absolutely destroys Democrats even after four years of Trump. So far, Democrats are offering nothing except an alternative to Trump, which didn't work well last time around. And they have no answer to a competent Republican nominee.

I mean who beats Rubio in Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and North Carolina?

It's very early, but I too think Pritzker is a strong candidate now. I think AOC is too young, but anyone that can get the Sanders movement going will have a solid chance. A movement candidate. But the people mentioned here - Shapiro, Whitmer, Beshear, Newsome - have no chance against Rubio in the swing states.

I'm okay with Rubio just as I was okay with Pence and Harris but yet I knew they had sealed their political fates when they had signed on to be a member of a very unpopular and unfit president's administration. Perhaps Rubio can revitalize his career in the 2030s long after the stain of his association with Trump is diminished but for 2028, anything associated with Trump is going to fail just as it did in 2020 and just as it did for anything associated with Biden in 2024. These people should think about the future ramifications before signing on to work for people who will inevitably be very unpopular when their terms are over. Guarantee you Pence and Harris are both wishing they had never answered the phone when called with the VP offer!

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Anonymous wrote:Pritzker.
I disagree that we need a moderate. Republicans cast all democrats, moderates or not, as crazy leftist dems. Since moderates are never seen as moderates anyway, let’s put up a candidate that actually IS progressive.

Some Dems claim AOC, Whitmer, and Newsome are moderates, some do not. This is a problem.

The only one making the rounds is Pete. He will once again be a major factor.

He'd be a good VP pick

He is alienating and ineffective.

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Dems don't need red states to win a POTUS election. They need a few purple states. Whitmer is a multi-term Governor of a purple state you sexist two-bit fool.

Democrats know their candidates lose because of sexism. How smart are they if they know this and keep nominating women?

Democrats’ candidates lose because of the quality of their candidates, not because of sexism. Kamala and Hillary were awful candidates.