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Anonymous wrote:Managers at the SEC must be really pissed tonight.

SEC manager here. Mainly just delighted for my staff attorneys that they are likely ok until '26; we very likely would have lost at least two high-performers in my branch more or less immediately if this went the other way.

Troll post? It goes against human nature to be cool with the idea of waking up and commuting to an empty building so that your subordinates can chill at home. Nice try.

Not a troll post at all. This is going to be a huge challenge for me and my family and I will absolutely have to manage my resentment over the needless commuting time & etc. But I won't spend a moment resenting colleagues who benefit from CBA protections, and I honestly don't think this will create a manager/non-manager rift (at least within my Division and certainly not in my Office). As I said in the original post, my main reaction was relief that valued colleagues won't have to face this challenge just yet.

Love this post and 100% agree - this is good leadership. We don’t have a specific mandate yet but I will gladly take a bullet for my team to avoid BU professionals being displaced who live far from a building, and were hired for remote positions

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Managers at the SEC must be really pissed tonight.

SEC manager here. Mainly just delighted for my staff attorneys that they are likely ok until '26; we very likely would have lost at least two high-performers in my branch more or less immediately if this went the other way.

Troll post? It goes against human nature to be cool with the idea of waking up and commuting to an empty building so that your subordinates can chill at home. Nice try.

Not a troll post at all. This is going to be a huge challenge for me and my family and I will absolutely have to manage my resentment over the needless commuting time & etc. But I won't spend a moment resenting colleagues who benefit from CBA protections, and I honestly don't think this will create a manager/non-manager rift (at least within my Division and certainly not in my Office). As I said in the original post, my main reaction was relief that valued colleagues won't have to face this challenge just yet.

Right now, you are only teleworking two times a week. Most people will feel differently when their body is exhausted and they still have to wake up and work for 5 days a week. 5 days is very, very different from 2 days in off, 3 days at home. I appreciate your sentiment, but note that opinions may change once we actually have to endure the true RTO as supervisors.

I'm relieved I resisted the pressure to become a supervisor and I'm still bargaining unit.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Managers at the SEC must be really pissed tonight.

SEC manager here. Mainly just delighted for my staff attorneys that they are likely ok until '26; we very likely would have lost at least two high-performers in my branch more or less immediately if this went the other way.

Troll post? It goes against human nature to be cool with the idea of waking up and commuting to an empty building so that your subordinates can chill at home. Nice try.

This has been the experience of supervisors where I work for the past couple of years (supervisors are in office much more than BU staff). Everyone's been very graceful and professional about it because we understand that management comes with different responsibilities and we all took those jobs knowingly.

Same situation at my DH's agency. He is also at a level just below supervisory (manages a small team but still BU) for which they really struggle to recruit because it's a tough position that requires a ton of managing up and down. His supervisor is in office way more than he is already and will likely retire in the next two years as a result of the new administration's changes, but she has been nothing but supportive of him and our family in part because she knows what a nightmare it would be to replace a 25 year veteran who performs a tough job they struggle to hire into. My perception is that this holds fairly true across his division, based on messages we've received from colleagues who are friends this week.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Managers at the SEC must be really pissed tonight.

SEC manager here. Mainly just delighted for my staff attorneys that they are likely ok until '26; we very likely would have lost at least two high-performers in my branch more or less immediately if this went the other way.

Troll post? It goes against human nature to be cool with the idea of waking up and commuting to an empty building so that your subordinates can chill at home. Nice try.

This has been the experience of supervisors where I work for the past couple of years (supervisors are in office much more than BU staff). Everyone's been very graceful and professional about it because we understand that management comes with different responsibilities and we all took those jobs knowingly.

I don’t resent BU, but it does make me angry to have to come all the way to the office to supervise no one in person and meet with my staff on Teams, just as if I was home. It would be much more humane if they acknowledged how dumb that is and say we’ll go back when our teams go back because otherwise what is the point? Unless we’re going to be having a bunch of in-person-only senior strategy meetings every single day.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Managers at the SEC must be really pissed tonight.

SEC manager here. Mainly just delighted for my staff attorneys that they are likely ok until '26; we very likely would have lost at least two high-performers in my branch more or less immediately if this went the other way.

Troll post? It goes against human nature to be cool with the idea of waking up and commuting to an empty building so that your subordinates can chill at home. Nice try.

This has been the experience of supervisors where I work for the past couple of years (supervisors are in office much more than BU staff). Everyone's been very graceful and professional about it because we understand that management comes with different responsibilities and we all took those jobs knowingly.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Managers at the SEC must be really pissed tonight.

SEC manager here. Mainly just delighted for my staff attorneys that they are likely ok until '26; we very likely would have lost at least two high-performers in my branch more or less immediately if this went the other way.

Troll post? It goes against human nature to be cool with the idea of waking up and commuting to an empty building so that your subordinates can chill at home. Nice try.

Not a troll post at all. This is going to be a huge challenge for me and my family and I will absolutely have to manage my resentment over the needless commuting time & etc. But I won't spend a moment resenting colleagues who benefit from CBA protections, and I honestly don't think this will create a manager/non-manager rift (at least within my Division and certainly not in my Office). As I said in the original post, my main reaction was relief that valued colleagues won't have to face this challenge just yet.

I love this attitude. My excellent supervisor is retirement-eligible and I think is really struggling with balancing her desire to escape all this nonsense vs the duty she feels to stick around to protect us.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Managers at the SEC must be really pissed tonight.

SEC manager here. Mainly just delighted for my staff attorneys that they are likely ok until '26; we very likely would have lost at least two high-performers in my branch more or less immediately if this went the other way.

Troll post? It goes against human nature to be cool with the idea of waking up and commuting to an empty building so that your subordinates can chill at home. Nice try.

Not a troll post at all. This is going to be a huge challenge for me and my family and I will absolutely have to manage my resentment over the needless commuting time & etc. But I won't spend a moment resenting colleagues who benefit from CBA protections, and I honestly don't think this will create a manager/non-manager rift (at least within my Division and certainly not in my Office). As I said in the original post, my main reaction was relief that valued colleagues won't have to face this challenge just yet.

Sorry if I missed someone else already sharing this, but NASA Goddard is supposed to return full time “next week” with a note to talk to your supervisor if you can’t do next week to tell them how you will comply by 2/28.
Note that this was sent at 6:23 on Friday night.
It was from the Goddard center director so no clue if all centers got the same direction or now.

I also don’t think allowing some employees the right to telework for YEARs until 2027 at the SEC is fair for people who are not in NBUs. Clearly management was horrible at negotiating the prior CBA, but now supervisors and other staff that aren’t in NBUs have a totally different expectation of work of now being forced into the office full time.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Managers at the SEC must be really pissed tonight.

SEC manager here. Mainly just delighted for my staff attorneys that they are likely ok until '26; we very likely would have lost at least two high-performers in my branch more or less immediately if this went the other way.

Troll post? It goes against human nature to be cool with the idea of waking up and commuting to an empty building so that your subordinates can chill at home. Nice try.

At my sub agency- the only non bargaining unit people are supervisors. So basically only supervisors are returning to work and everyone else will just continue teleworking.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Managers at the SEC must be really pissed tonight.

SEC manager here. Mainly just delighted for my staff attorneys that they are likely ok until '26; we very likely would have lost at least two high-performers in my branch more or less immediately if this went the other way.

I am a staff attorney and I feel really bad for you guys. I hope they allow you guys some flexibility in the future. We need good managers and it is hard enough to fill the branch chief jobs in my division this will make it even worse. Also, there's no business need to not give you guys any flexibility.

I’m an SK-14 in a NBU and I’m really upset by this RTO carve out.

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All SK-14s are BU.

Nope. HR roles and business office are NBU.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Managers at the SEC must be really pissed tonight.

SEC manager here. Mainly just delighted for my staff attorneys that they are likely ok until '26; we very likely would have lost at least two high-performers in my branch more or less immediately if this went the other way.

I am a staff attorney and I feel really bad for you guys. I hope they allow you guys some flexibility in the future. We need good managers and it is hard enough to fill the branch chief jobs in my division this will make it even worse. Also, there's no business need to not give you guys any flexibility.

I’m an SK-14 in a NBU and I’m really upset by this RTO carve out.

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All SK-14s are BU.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Managers at the SEC must be really pissed tonight.

SEC manager here. Mainly just delighted for my staff attorneys that they are likely ok until '26; we very likely would have lost at least two high-performers in my branch more or less immediately if this went the other way.

‘27. The CBA stays in effect for a year unless BOTH parties agree to a new one.

Can the CBA be declared null and void by EO?