Anonymous
Post 02/27/2025 08:27     Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/01/16/opinion/men-trump-voters-focus-group.html?unlocked_article_code=1.pk4.M2Hr.Thy5lM84dXHH&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

I just read this and I am not sure there is an eye roll emoji that can accurately reflect how ridiculous this article is. A focus group of 12 men who voted for Trump. I admit I am a 40-something woman, with sisters and daughters so I probably have less opportunity to see this, but I struggle to believe that men are feeling like they don’t have a place in society. They OWN society. What is the deal with this whining? Even the comments about how they feel like chivalry is gone because women give them a dirty look if they hold a door. It is BASIC courtesy. And since when are men worried about getting a dirty look?

Can anyone explain this to me?


I mean I am a GenX man and cannot relate to this. But I do know that there’s a not insignificant share of people out there who can’t get their cognitive dissonance that others rising up in opportunity doesn’t equal them being torn down. And that’s being reinforced by extremist messaging on social media.

So yeah, it’s all bullshit and their feelings aren’t valid. But they’re a force to be reckoned with anyway.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2025 08:13     Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Men are the cause of all our problems.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2025 16:03     Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:Men’s identities have long been built on a notion of superiority over women. So when women achieve basic steps toward equality and success they feel threatened and that they have lost their role. Violence against women is always about reassertion of power.


This is the answer. The crazy part is that if some of these men put forth a SMIDGE of the effort women do, they wouldn’t have these issues. Many of them want something for nothing.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2025 14:05     Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Men’s identities have long been built on a notion of superiority over women. So when women achieve basic steps toward equality and success they feel threatened and that they have lost their role. Violence against women is always about reassertion of power.


Yup.

"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

True with regard to gender, race, etc. There are many white men who want to see women and minorities succeed, and who have been able to create their own identity and self worth from within. And there are many white men who are now faced with having to cultivate an identity that isn't something that's handed to them, like women and minorities have had to do for centuries (at least). Hopefully they can get there--I get it can be hard. But I lose all empathy and sympathy when they start attacking and blaming others for their "struggle."


Who defines the privileged classes?


The wealthy, the strong, the weaponized. Obviously.

You think it's the poor, the weak, and the gentle?
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2025 14:02     Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Men’s identities have long been built on a notion of superiority over women. So when women achieve basic steps toward equality and success they feel threatened and that they have lost their role. Violence against women is always about reassertion of power.


Yup.

"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

True with regard to gender, race, etc. There are many white men who want to see women and minorities succeed, and who have been able to create their own identity and self worth from within. And there are many white men who are now faced with having to cultivate an identity that isn't something that's handed to them, like women and minorities have had to do for centuries (at least). Hopefully they can get there--I get it can be hard. But I lose all empathy and sympathy when they start attacking and blaming others for their "struggle."


Who defines the privileged classes?
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2025 13:58     Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:Men’s identities have long been built on a notion of superiority over women. So when women achieve basic steps toward equality and success they feel threatened and that they have lost their role. Violence against women is always about reassertion of power.


Yup.

"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

True with regard to gender, race, etc. There are many white men who want to see women and minorities succeed, and who have been able to create their own identity and self worth from within. And there are many white men who are now faced with having to cultivate an identity that isn't something that's handed to them, like women and minorities have had to do for centuries (at least). Hopefully they can get there--I get it can be hard. But I lose all empathy and sympathy when they start attacking and blaming others for their "struggle."
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2025 13:49     Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They lack rich inner lives. It stands out that none of the men interviewed seem to read books or have creative hobbies. They get their information spoon-fed to them from people who want them to feel angry and dissatisfied, and that's just how they feel. Their lives are joyless, and they want everyone else's to be the same. Losers.


Sadly these guy will make good cannon fodder. They are radicalized and easily mislead by older authority figures.

Personally, I know a number of families (LEOs) whose young sons enlisted only after Trump won. White boys from the country are surging to enlist after the Trump victory. Kinda wild tbh.


Is that not what modern liberal society has directed them to do since they are worthless and expendable? We judged that they were raised wrong, so they should be cannon fodder. Reap what you sow.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2025 13:45     Subject: Re:NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maybe they suddenly are experiencing a lack of sea parting for straight men in society and are having breakdowns and being crybabies. Mad because society has started to value competence and excellence over gender/race/physical appearance/stereotypes of what kind of people should be in what roles in society.


How old are you? Just curious.

Old enough to remember when stereotypes held women and minorities back from certain careers, leadership roles, etc. Young enough to appreciate society's evolution.


I am told to feel more marginalized today than I ever felt as a child to my late 30s/early 40s. Now I’m supposed be mad about things I didn’t witness or experience at all or to the extent young people claim about the past. Tbings seems to change around the mid to late 2000s. Ow I feel expected to say how oppressed I was. 🤷‍♀️ I certainly benefited playing sports in the early days of Title IX but I also had strong female role models in my grandmothers and great-grandmothers.

You would think that an enlightened society would stop with the blame game and accept people for who they are without labeling/pigeon-holing. Move forward without using the same tactics used in the past to marginalize people. Do better.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2025 10:46     Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/01/16/opinion/men-trump-voters-focus-group.html?unlocked_article_code=1.pk4.M2Hr.Thy5lM84dXHH&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

I just read this and I am not sure there is an eye roll emoji that can accurately reflect how ridiculous this article is. A focus group of 12 men who voted for Trump. I admit I am a 40-something woman, with sisters and daughters so I probably have less opportunity to see this, but I struggle to believe that men are feeling like they don’t have a place in society. They OWN society. What is the deal with this whining? Even the comments about how they feel like chivalry is gone because women give them a dirty look if they hold a door. It is BASIC courtesy. And since when are men worried about getting a dirty look?

Can anyone explain this to me?


Yes: I can explain this to you.

You are a misandrist. A closed-minded misandrist.


You are denying that white men own society,? OP is a realist.


“Society” is not a single thing. In DC? Not at all.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2025 19:55     Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/01/16/opinion/men-trump-voters-focus-group.html?unlocked_article_code=1.pk4.M2Hr.Thy5lM84dXHH&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

I just read this and I am not sure there is an eye roll emoji that can accurately reflect how ridiculous this article is. A focus group of 12 men who voted for Trump. I admit I am a 40-something woman, with sisters and daughters so I probably have less opportunity to see this, but I struggle to believe that men are feeling like they don’t have a place in society. They OWN society. What is the deal with this whining? Even the comments about how they feel like chivalry is gone because women give them a dirty look if they hold a door. It is BASIC courtesy. And since when are men worried about getting a dirty look?

Can anyone explain this to me?


Yes: I can explain this to you.

You are a misandrist. A closed-minded misandrist.


You are denying that white men own society,? OP is a realist.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2025 19:50     Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:Men’s identities have long been built on a notion of superiority over women. So when women achieve basic steps toward equality and success they feel threatened and that they have lost their role. Violence against women is always about reassertion of power.

This.
Same with whites dealing with minority-majority.
Johnson knew what he was talking about.
It's not complicated.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2025 19:14     Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:They lack rich inner lives. It stands out that none of the men interviewed seem to read books or have creative hobbies. They get their information spoon-fed to them from people who want them to feel angry and dissatisfied, and that's just how they feel. Their lives are joyless, and they want everyone else's to be the same. Losers.


Sadly these guy will make good cannon fodder. They are radicalized and easily mislead by older authority figures.

Personally, I know a number of families (LEOs) whose young sons enlisted only after Trump won. White boys from the country are surging to enlist after the Trump victory. Kinda wild tbh.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2025 18:50     Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Men’s identities have long been built on a notion of superiority over women. So when women achieve basic steps toward equality and success they feel threatened and that they have lost their role. Violence against women is always about reassertion of power.