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Anonymous wrote:Watching the video of those young Israeli hostages being handed over to the Red Cross in Gaza is interesting. Those young women are surrounded by a sea of jubilant Hamas militants all in green headbands and masks. Clearly, the IDF has a lot more work to do. Hamas isn't even close to being eliminated. Until Palestinians depose these extremists, I don't see how this war ever ends.

Hamas is masterful at media manipulation, which is why you never saw any imagery of deceased Hamas combatants in Gaza, only women and children. Hamas is only releasing hostages under the pressure of their losses, their staging of events like this notwithstanding. If they were not on the verge of complete annihilation, the hostages would not be released. As it is, 47K or so Palestinians are deceased, and Hamas gained no new territory, no new privileges, no separate country, and no respect.

That’s not the standard.

So what has Hamas accomplished? An opportunity for some new apartment buildings to be paid for with foreign aid? The creation of new parking lots in Gaza? An improvement is the business prospects for Gazan undertakers?

Hamas has shattered most of Israel’s stupid+self congratulatory myths. Israel has been tied in ridiculous knots by its response to Hamas, yet Hamas are a stronger fighting force than ever.

Better to ask yourself why Israel committed genocide while leaving Hamas intact. Sounds like a country with a death wish.

Doesn't sound like anything substantive, especially when measured against the Gazan lives lost. The "myths" can just as easily be Palestinian - the myth that they can ever defeat Israel, the myth that terror accomplishes anything useful, the myth that they want peace instead of to bring death to their neighbors and to self-immolate themselves in a perverse definition of "martyrdom".

As for Hamas being intact, their surrender of the hostages suggests otherwise. They certainly are not giving up hostages because they have suddenly acquired consciences and have become civilized human beings, it is instead their desperate last-ditch effort to avoid complete annihilation by inducing the IDF to stop their relentless operations against them.

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Anonymous wrote:Watching the video of those young Israeli hostages being handed over to the Red Cross in Gaza is interesting. Those young women are surrounded by a sea of jubilant Hamas militants all in green headbands and masks. Clearly, the IDF has a lot more work to do. Hamas isn't even close to being eliminated. Until Palestinians depose these extremists, I don't see how this war ever ends.

Hamas is masterful at media manipulation, which is why you never saw any imagery of deceased Hamas combatants in Gaza, only women and children. Hamas is only releasing hostages under the pressure of their losses, their staging of events like this notwithstanding. If they were not on the verge of complete annihilation, the hostages would not be released. As it is, 47K or so Palestinians are deceased, and Hamas gained no new territory, no new privileges, no separate country, and no respect.

That’s not the standard.

So what has Hamas accomplished? An opportunity for some new apartment buildings to be paid for with foreign aid? The creation of new parking lots in Gaza? An improvement is the business prospects for Gazan undertakers?

Dear Poster, I don't think this is the right question. I think it's less about what they were trying to accomplish and more about how desperate they felt to get the world to see their living conditions.

So suicide was the path to that? They couldn't invite CNN into Gaza to take a look around? I hardly think publicity would be best achieved by invading Israel, killing, raping, and kidnapping. Not to mention to cost in lives. A peculiar choice for a course of action to achieve anything useful.

It's not a peculiar choice. Hamas was quite open for years about demanding Israel stop the settlements in the West Bank and return all Palestinian women and children from Israeli jail. Israel refused to listen and continued aggression in the West Bank knowing Hamas was not there. Cowardly Israel does not do the same run and gun grabs of people in the Gaza Strip where Hamas reside. Only in the WB and they continue to do so. The ironic tragedy is many Palestinians who lived in the West Bank moved to Gaza so their kids can be safer because of the non-existence of the IDF and settlers there, only for them to get caught up post 10/7.

I dont know why Israel acts like Hamas didnt telegraph their actions. They had bulldozers at the crossing for weeks prior to 10/7 and even sent written manifestos via the air to the kibbutz residents telling them to get ready because they are coming. Netanyahu was also warned personally by Egypt that Hamas is planning an imminent attack.

Netanyahu wanted 10/7 to happen to avoid his corruption charges and getting impeached/going to jail.

And yet, today Gaza has been demolished, Hamas emasculated, 47K Palestinians killed, and the hostages are being returned in a desperate attempt to save the skins of the terrorists still alive for the time being. That's a useful message? What was the message, exactly? We don't like settlements and we're all willing to die to make our point? Let's basically commit suicide to express our displeasure, that'll show the world how unhappy we are and will surely improve things for us?

And, you seem to be suggesting that Oct 7 is Israel's fault for not taking preemptive action in response the the signals you recite. Apart from the optics and immorality of blaming the victim, I can just imagine the pro-Hamas outrage if the IDF had struck first, no matter how strategically or tactically sound such a move would have been if it were necessary to prevent Israeli casualties.

NP. Can’t tell if this blather is cynical propaganda or ignorance…

Hamas is stronger than ever.

Israel showed the world that it would go genocidal if the Americans supplied them with enough bombs. And the Israelis withheld food and water as well as attacked all the hospitals further increasing the slaughter. So Israel now has substantially less support globally, even though their friend$ in the west pulled out all the stops to support them.

And 47k killed is almost certainly a very low ball estimate. I have been tutored by pros in the techniques of estimating mass killings, wars, and genocides and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the death toll wasn’t well over 100k. And to be clear those dead were almost entirely civilians.

Anonymous wrote:Hamas didnt even hide when releasing the hostages: shaking hands, transporting them by SUV. Very embarrassing and strange optics.

How in the world were they keeping them alive and fed while their own people starved? How in the world were the IDF killing everyone but Hamas?

Trump is right to take the reins and tell both sides the jig is up. Obviously, these two werent going to lead to any fruitful results or conclusion

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Anonymous wrote:Watching the video of those young Israeli hostages being handed over to the Red Cross in Gaza is interesting. Those young women are surrounded by a sea of jubilant Hamas militants all in green headbands and masks. Clearly, the IDF has a lot more work to do. Hamas isn't even close to being eliminated. Until Palestinians depose these extremists, I don't see how this war ever ends.

Hamas is masterful at media manipulation, which is why you never saw any imagery of deceased Hamas combatants in Gaza, only women and children. Hamas is only releasing hostages under the pressure of their losses, their staging of events like this notwithstanding. If they were not on the verge of complete annihilation, the hostages would not be released. As it is, 47K or so Palestinians are deceased, and Hamas gained no new territory, no new privileges, no separate country, and no respect.

That’s not the standard.

So what has Hamas accomplished? An opportunity for some new apartment buildings to be paid for with foreign aid? The creation of new parking lots in Gaza? An improvement is the business prospects for Gazan undertakers?

Dear Poster, I don't think this is the right question. I think it's less about what they were trying to accomplish and more about how desperate they felt to get the world to see their living conditions.

So suicide was the path to that? They couldn't invite CNN into Gaza to take a look around? I hardly think publicity would be best achieved by invading Israel, killing, raping, and kidnapping. Not to mention to cost in lives. A peculiar choice for a course of action to achieve anything useful.

It's not a peculiar choice. Hamas was quite open for years about demanding Israel stop the settlements in the West Bank and return all Palestinian women and children from Israeli jail. Israel refused to listen and continued aggression in the West Bank knowing Hamas was not there. Cowardly Israel does not do the same run and gun grabs of people in the Gaza Strip where Hamas reside. Only in the WB and they continue to do so. The ironic tragedy is many Palestinians who lived in the West Bank moved to Gaza so their kids can be safer because of the non-existence of the IDF and settlers there, only for them to get caught up post 10/7.

I dont know why Israel acts like Hamas didnt telegraph their actions. They had bulldozers at the crossing for weeks prior to 10/7 and even sent written manifestos via the air to the kibbutz residents telling them to get ready because they are coming. Netanyahu was also warned personally by Egypt that Hamas is planning an imminent attack.

Netanyahu wanted 10/7 to happen to avoid his corruption charges and getting impeached/going to jail.

And yet, today Gaza has been demolished, Hamas emasculated, 47K Palestinians killed, and the hostages are being returned in a desperate attempt to save the skins of the terrorists still alive for the time being. That's a useful message? What was the message, exactly? We don't like settlements and we're all willing to die to make our point? Let's basically commit suicide to express our displeasure, that'll show the world how unhappy we are and will surely improve things for us?

And, you seem to be suggesting that Oct 7 is Israel's fault for not taking preemptive action in response the the signals you recite. Apart from the optics and immorality of blaming the victim, I can just imagine the pro-Hamas outrage if the IDF had struck first, no matter how strategically or tactically sound such a move would have been if it were necessary to prevent Israeli casualties.

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Anonymous wrote:Watching the video of those young Israeli hostages being handed over to the Red Cross in Gaza is interesting. Those young women are surrounded by a sea of jubilant Hamas militants all in green headbands and masks. Clearly, the IDF has a lot more work to do. Hamas isn't even close to being eliminated. Until Palestinians depose these extremists, I don't see how this war ever ends.

Hamas is masterful at media manipulation, which is why you never saw any imagery of deceased Hamas combatants in Gaza, only women and children. Hamas is only releasing hostages under the pressure of their losses, their staging of events like this notwithstanding. If they were not on the verge of complete annihilation, the hostages would not be released. As it is, 47K or so Palestinians are deceased, and Hamas gained no new territory, no new privileges, no separate country, and no respect.

That’s not the standard.

So what has Hamas accomplished? An opportunity for some new apartment buildings to be paid for with foreign aid? The creation of new parking lots in Gaza? An improvement is the business prospects for Gazan undertakers?

Dear Poster, I don't think this is the right question. I think it's less about what they were trying to accomplish and more about how desperate they felt to get the world to see their living conditions.

So suicide was the path to that? They couldn't invite CNN into Gaza to take a look around? I hardly think publicity would be best achieved by invading Israel, killing, raping, and kidnapping. Not to mention to cost in lives. A peculiar choice for a course of action to achieve anything useful.

It's not a peculiar choice. Hamas was quite open for years about demanding Israel stop the settlements in the West Bank and return all Palestinian women and children from Israeli jail. Israel refused to listen and continued aggression in the West Bank knowing Hamas was not there. Cowardly Israel does not do the same run and gun grabs of people in the Gaza Strip where Hamas reside. Only in the WB and they continue to do so. The ironic tragedy is many Palestinians who lived in the West Bank moved to Gaza so their kids can be safer because of the non-existence of the IDF and settlers there, only for them to get caught up post 10/7.

I dont know why Israel acts like Hamas didnt telegraph their actions. They had bulldozers at the crossing for weeks prior to 10/7 and even sent written manifestos via the air to the kibbutz residents telling them to get ready because they are coming. Netanyahu was also warned personally by Egypt that Hamas is planning an imminent attack.

Netanyahu wanted 10/7 to happen to avoid his corruption charges and getting impeached/going to jail.

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Anonymous wrote:Watching the video of those young Israeli hostages being handed over to the Red Cross in Gaza is interesting. Those young women are surrounded by a sea of jubilant Hamas militants all in green headbands and masks. Clearly, the IDF has a lot more work to do. Hamas isn't even close to being eliminated. Until Palestinians depose these extremists, I don't see how this war ever ends.

Hamas is masterful at media manipulation, which is why you never saw any imagery of deceased Hamas combatants in Gaza, only women and children. Hamas is only releasing hostages under the pressure of their losses, their staging of events like this notwithstanding. If they were not on the verge of complete annihilation, the hostages would not be released. As it is, 47K or so Palestinians are deceased, and Hamas gained no new territory, no new privileges, no separate country, and no respect.

That’s not the standard.

So what has Hamas accomplished? An opportunity for some new apartment buildings to be paid for with foreign aid? The creation of new parking lots in Gaza? An improvement is the business prospects for Gazan undertakers?

Dear Poster, I don't think this is the right question. I think it's less about what they were trying to accomplish and more about how desperate they felt to get the world to see their living conditions.

I don't know. I think spending a Saturday morning massacring more than a 1000 innocent people and kidnapping more than 250 children, women, and older people was maybe not the most the effective way to garner sympathy for living conditions in Gaza. I'm pretty sure living conditions in Gaza haven't improved since then.

How is IDF personnel innocent?

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Anonymous wrote:Watching the video of those young Israeli hostages being handed over to the Red Cross in Gaza is interesting. Those young women are surrounded by a sea of jubilant Hamas militants all in green headbands and masks. Clearly, the IDF has a lot more work to do. Hamas isn't even close to being eliminated. Until Palestinians depose these extremists, I don't see how this war ever ends.

Hamas is masterful at media manipulation, which is why you never saw any imagery of deceased Hamas combatants in Gaza, only women and children. Hamas is only releasing hostages under the pressure of their losses, their staging of events like this notwithstanding. If they were not on the verge of complete annihilation, the hostages would not be released. As it is, 47K or so Palestinians are deceased, and Hamas gained no new territory, no new privileges, no separate country, and no respect.

That’s not the standard.

So what has Hamas accomplished? An opportunity for some new apartment buildings to be paid for with foreign aid? The creation of new parking lots in Gaza? An improvement is the business prospects for Gazan undertakers?

Dear Poster, I don't think this is the right question. I think it's less about what they were trying to accomplish and more about how desperate they felt to get the world to see their living conditions.

I don't know. I think spending a Saturday morning massacring more than a 1000 innocent people and kidnapping more than 250 children, women, and older people was maybe not the most the effective way to garner sympathy for living conditions in Gaza. I'm pretty sure living conditions in Gaza haven't improved since then.

How is IDF personnel innocent?

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Anonymous wrote:Watching the video of those young Israeli hostages being handed over to the Red Cross in Gaza is interesting. Those young women are surrounded by a sea of jubilant Hamas militants all in green headbands and masks. Clearly, the IDF has a lot more work to do. Hamas isn't even close to being eliminated. Until Palestinians depose these extremists, I don't see how this war ever ends.

Hamas is masterful at media manipulation, which is why you never saw any imagery of deceased Hamas combatants in Gaza, only women and children. Hamas is only releasing hostages under the pressure of their losses, their staging of events like this notwithstanding. If they were not on the verge of complete annihilation, the hostages would not be released. As it is, 47K or so Palestinians are deceased, and Hamas gained no new territory, no new privileges, no separate country, and no respect.

That’s not the standard.

So what has Hamas accomplished? An opportunity for some new apartment buildings to be paid for with foreign aid? The creation of new parking lots in Gaza? An improvement is the business prospects for Gazan undertakers?

Dear Poster, I don't think this is the right question. I think it's less about what they were trying to accomplish and more about how desperate they felt to get the world to see their living conditions.

I don't know. I think spending a Saturday morning massacring more than a 1000 innocent people and kidnapping more than 250 children, women, and older people was maybe not the most the effective way to garner sympathy for living conditions in Gaza. I'm pretty sure living conditions in Gaza haven't improved since then.

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Anonymous wrote:Watching the video of those young Israeli hostages being handed over to the Red Cross in Gaza is interesting. Those young women are surrounded by a sea of jubilant Hamas militants all in green headbands and masks. Clearly, the IDF has a lot more work to do. Hamas isn't even close to being eliminated. Until Palestinians depose these extremists, I don't see how this war ever ends.

Hamas is masterful at media manipulation, which is why you never saw any imagery of deceased Hamas combatants in Gaza, only women and children. Hamas is only releasing hostages under the pressure of their losses, their staging of events like this notwithstanding. If they were not on the verge of complete annihilation, the hostages would not be released. As it is, 47K or so Palestinians are deceased, and Hamas gained no new territory, no new privileges, no separate country, and no respect.

That’s not the standard.

So what has Hamas accomplished? An opportunity for some new apartment buildings to be paid for with foreign aid? The creation of new parking lots in Gaza? An improvement is the business prospects for Gazan undertakers?

Dear Poster, I don't think this is the right question. I think it's less about what they were trying to accomplish and more about how desperate they felt to get the world to see their living conditions.

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Anonymous wrote:The three female hostages look great. No weight loss, clean clothes and hair. I wonder how the men will look.

Yet according to Israelis, they assumed Hamas kept no hostages alive and were lying.

If these three were released, then that means there are probably still more that are Israeli captives alive in Gaza than Israel perhaps projected. It also means the IDF barely scraped Hamas in this war. They are killing innocent people with little to no Hamas combatants, both on 10/7 and during the war.

Anonymous wrote:The three female hostages look great. No weight loss, clean clothes and hair. I wonder how the men will look.

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Anonymous wrote:Watching the video of those young Israeli hostages being handed over to the Red Cross in Gaza is interesting. Those young women are surrounded by a sea of jubilant Hamas militants all in green headbands and masks. Clearly, the IDF has a lot more work to do. Hamas isn't even close to being eliminated. Until Palestinians depose these extremists, I don't see how this war ever ends.

Hamas is masterful at media manipulation, which is why you never saw any imagery of deceased Hamas combatants in Gaza, only women and children. Hamas is only releasing hostages under the pressure of their losses, their staging of events like this notwithstanding. If they were not on the verge of complete annihilation, the hostages would not be released. As it is, 47K or so Palestinians are deceased, and Hamas gained no new territory, no new privileges, no separate country, and no respect.

That’s not the standard.

So what has Hamas accomplished? An opportunity for some new apartment buildings to be paid for with foreign aid? The creation of new parking lots in Gaza? An improvement is the business prospects for Gazan undertakers?

Dear Poster, I don't think this is the right question. I think it's less about what they were trying to accomplish and more about how desperate they felt to get the world to see their living conditions.

So suicide was the path to that? They couldn't invite CNN into Gaza to take a look around? I hardly think publicity would be best achieved by invading Israel, killing, raping, and kidnapping. Not to mention to cost in lives. A peculiar choice for a course of action to achieve anything useful.