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Anonymous wrote:Compare APS to excellent school districts in high COL areas.

Also:
https://www.apsva.us/post/superintendent-presents-proposed-fy-2025-budget-to-maintain-core-services/
“ According to an independent review by the Joint Legislative Audit and Review Commission (JLARC), Virginia school divisions receive less K-12 funding per student than the 50-state average, the regional average, and three of Virginia’s five bordering states. School divisions in other states receive 14% more per student than school divisions in Virginia, on average. This equates to about $1,900 less per student for Virginia. The JLARC estimates that annually, APS is underfunded by approximately $51 million.”

Huh? I just compared APS to our neighboring districts. Some are even better performing. Some even higher COL.

Delulu

DC area school districts are mid.

Including APS. Still, compared to our neighboring districts, APS isn’t skimping on spending. So try again.

If you look outside of the swampy hellhole of the DC area, you’ll find areas of the country with excellent schools. They are well funded because their community values education.

Where? Specific examples please.

I bet they’re all affluent areas with little to no diversity — racial or socioeconomic.

Super easy to have excellent schools with a privileged, homogenous population. (Hint: it’s not about the money spent per student.)

Ok. Thanks for proving my point.

Schools that have many kids with higher needs (EL, economically disadvantaged, SN) require even more funding.

Or better parenting. No amount of money can help an IDGAF attitude.

If you think parents in APS DGAF, you really don't know what other school districts are like. We are in a bubble.

Anonymous wrote:And no one was blaming higher needs on poor parenting. I AM saying that in the absence of good parenting, academic achievement won’t improve — even with more and more and more funding.

A not insignificant portion of special needs is definitely a direct result of poor parenting. Babies don't get to choose if their gestational years are inside an obese or addicted parent. Kids aren't buying their own food to stuff their mouths with 3000 calories of soda and chips. Infants aren't buying their own ipads and phones to watch cartoons with. Kids don't learn on their own that life without rules and consequences is the only rule. I see this every single day and these families are not specific to any one demographic except the "poor parenting" one.

And no one was blaming higher needs on poor parenting. I AM saying that in the absence of good parenting, academic achievement won’t improve — even with more and more and more funding.

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Anonymous wrote:Compare APS to excellent school districts in high COL areas.

Also:
https://www.apsva.us/post/superintendent-presents-proposed-fy-2025-budget-to-maintain-core-services/
“ According to an independent review by the Joint Legislative Audit and Review Commission (JLARC), Virginia school divisions receive less K-12 funding per student than the 50-state average, the regional average, and three of Virginia’s five bordering states. School divisions in other states receive 14% more per student than school divisions in Virginia, on average. This equates to about $1,900 less per student for Virginia. The JLARC estimates that annually, APS is underfunded by approximately $51 million.”

Huh? I just compared APS to our neighboring districts. Some are even better performing. Some even higher COL.

Delulu

DC area school districts are mid.

Including APS. Still, compared to our neighboring districts, APS isn’t skimping on spending. So try again.

If you look outside of the swampy hellhole of the DC area, you’ll find areas of the country with excellent schools. They are well funded because their community values education.

Where? Specific examples please.

I bet they’re all affluent areas with little to no diversity — racial or socioeconomic.

Super easy to have excellent schools with a privileged, homogenous population. (Hint: it’s not about the money spent per student.)

Ok. Thanks for proving my point.

Schools that have many kids with higher needs (EL, economically disadvantaged, SN) require even more funding.

Or better parenting. No amount of money can help an IDGAF attitude.

WTF? You’re gross.

not the PP but why is this gross?

School is not a substitute for parents

PP was referring to the parents of kids with higher needs (EL, economically disadvantaged, SN).

Blaming higher needs on poor parenting is gross AF.

ATS has all of those things — ELs, economically disadvantaged students, SNs — yet is still able to produce results without more funding than any of our other elementary schools.

What’s the difference? Oh, all of the parents (despite lack of privilege by many) give a crap about their kids’ education.

If we look within APS, we can see how increased funding is NOT what actually achieves academic success.

For instance:

Let’s compare Arlington Traditional School to any of Arlington’s other elementary schools with a similar racial and socioeconomic make-up.

Does ATS spend more per student than any of our other elementary schools?

No.

What they DO is spend their funds well — using them to implement solid teaching strategies that have been known to work (rather than getting distracted by each year’s new and greatest idea).

Another thing ATS has going for it: a school culture where families prioritize education.

So it may be “gross” to say that parenting matters. But it’s also true.

Dumping millions of dollars into a sinking ship won’t save it when the people on board are using it for paint rather than plugging the actual holes.

No, we shouldn’t provide more funding. APS needs to show that they can spend what they’ve been given in a responsible manner. (Including not signing on for huge capital expenses that are wholly unnecessary.)

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Anonymous wrote:Compare APS to excellent school districts in high COL areas.

Also:
https://www.apsva.us/post/superintendent-presents-proposed-fy-2025-budget-to-maintain-core-services/
“ According to an independent review by the Joint Legislative Audit and Review Commission (JLARC), Virginia school divisions receive less K-12 funding per student than the 50-state average, the regional average, and three of Virginia’s five bordering states. School divisions in other states receive 14% more per student than school divisions in Virginia, on average. This equates to about $1,900 less per student for Virginia. The JLARC estimates that annually, APS is underfunded by approximately $51 million.”

Huh? I just compared APS to our neighboring districts. Some are even better performing. Some even higher COL.

Delulu

DC area school districts are mid.

Including APS. Still, compared to our neighboring districts, APS isn’t skimping on spending. So try again.

If you look outside of the swampy hellhole of the DC area, you’ll find areas of the country with excellent schools. They are well funded because their community values education.

Where? Specific examples please.

I bet they’re all affluent areas with little to no diversity — racial or socioeconomic.

Super easy to have excellent schools with a privileged, homogenous population. (Hint: it’s not about the money spent per student.)

Ok. Thanks for proving my point.

Schools that have many kids with higher needs (EL, economically disadvantaged, SN) require even more funding.

Or better parenting. No amount of money can help an IDGAF attitude.

WTF? You’re gross.

not the PP but why is this gross?

School is not a substitute for parents

PP was referring to the parents of kids with higher needs (EL, economically disadvantaged, SN).

Blaming higher needs on poor parenting is gross AF.

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Anonymous wrote:Compare APS to excellent school districts in high COL areas.

Also:
https://www.apsva.us/post/superintendent-presents-proposed-fy-2025-budget-to-maintain-core-services/
“ According to an independent review by the Joint Legislative Audit and Review Commission (JLARC), Virginia school divisions receive less K-12 funding per student than the 50-state average, the regional average, and three of Virginia’s five bordering states. School divisions in other states receive 14% more per student than school divisions in Virginia, on average. This equates to about $1,900 less per student for Virginia. The JLARC estimates that annually, APS is underfunded by approximately $51 million.”

Huh? I just compared APS to our neighboring districts. Some are even better performing. Some even higher COL.

Delulu

DC area school districts are mid.

Including APS. Still, compared to our neighboring districts, APS isn’t skimping on spending. So try again.

If you look outside of the swampy hellhole of the DC area, you’ll find areas of the country with excellent schools. They are well funded because their community values education.

Where? Specific examples please.

I bet they’re all affluent areas with little to no diversity — racial or socioeconomic.

Super easy to have excellent schools with a privileged, homogenous population. (Hint: it’s not about the money spent per student.)

Ok. Thanks for proving my point.

Schools that have many kids with higher needs (EL, economically disadvantaged, SN) require even more funding.

Or better parenting. No amount of money can help an IDGAF attitude.

WTF? You’re gross.

not the PP but why is this gross?

School is not a substitute for parents

Also, the APS spending is significantly skewed because funding for capital projects is included in the operating budget.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but when you compare APS to other areas of the country, it doesn’t stand out as being super low. Like — of course — NYC is going to spend more per student, but the COL is astronomically higher than Arlington.

I do think some rural counties of Virginia need more funding. But Arlington isn’t some outlier like you’re claiming it to be. (And JLARC didn’t claim that either.)

I just said it’s underfunded. As are other districts in VA.

And you’re wrong. So take a seat.

I mean I'll go with JLARC over an anti public school rando who won't even put their name to their opinion.

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JLARC is an independent, bipartisan commission which is looking for cost savings. And they said it’s underfunded.

They did not say *APS* is underfunded. There are many counties in Virginia with significantly less funding that they are talking about (even when adjusted for COL).

JLARC, the independent, bipartisan commission which is looking for cost savings, found that APS was underfunded by both the state and the county.

Short-term recommendations were an additional $7M from the state and $29M from the county. Accounting for ALL of their recommendations, VA underfunded APS by $51M and the county underfunded by $206M.

https://jlarc.virginia.gov/pdfs/other/JLARC%20SOQ%20model%20division%20level%20cost%20estimates-3.pdf
page 25 (short-term), 27 (all)

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Anonymous wrote:Compare APS to excellent school districts in high COL areas.

Also:
https://www.apsva.us/post/superintendent-presents-proposed-fy-2025-budget-to-maintain-core-services/
“ According to an independent review by the Joint Legislative Audit and Review Commission (JLARC), Virginia school divisions receive less K-12 funding per student than the 50-state average, the regional average, and three of Virginia’s five bordering states. School divisions in other states receive 14% more per student than school divisions in Virginia, on average. This equates to about $1,900 less per student for Virginia. The JLARC estimates that annually, APS is underfunded by approximately $51 million.”

Huh? I just compared APS to our neighboring districts. Some are even better performing. Some even higher COL.

Delulu

DC area school districts are mid.

Including APS. Still, compared to our neighboring districts, APS isn’t skimping on spending. So try again.

If you look outside of the swampy hellhole of the DC area, you’ll find areas of the country with excellent schools. They are well funded because their community values education.

Where? Specific examples please.

I bet they’re all affluent areas with little to no diversity — racial or socioeconomic.

Super easy to have excellent schools with a privileged, homogenous population. (Hint: it’s not about the money spent per student.)

Ok. Thanks for proving my point.

Schools that have many kids with higher needs (EL, economically disadvantaged, SN) require even more funding.

Or better parenting. No amount of money can help an IDGAF attitude.

WTF? You’re gross.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but when you compare APS to other areas of the country, it doesn’t stand out as being super low. Like — of course — NYC is going to spend more per student, but the COL is astronomically higher than Arlington.

I do think some rural counties of Virginia need more funding. But Arlington isn’t some outlier like you’re claiming it to be. (And JLARC didn’t claim that either.)

I just said it’s underfunded. As are other districts in VA.

And you’re wrong. So take a seat.

I mean I'll go with JLARC over an anti public school rando who won't even put their name to their opinion.

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JLARC is an independent, bipartisan commission which is looking for cost savings. And they said it’s underfunded.

They did not say *APS* is underfunded. There are many counties in Virginia with significantly less funding that they are talking about (even when adjusted for COL).

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Anonymous wrote:Compare APS to excellent school districts in high COL areas.

Also:
https://www.apsva.us/post/superintendent-presents-proposed-fy-2025-budget-to-maintain-core-services/
“ According to an independent review by the Joint Legislative Audit and Review Commission (JLARC), Virginia school divisions receive less K-12 funding per student than the 50-state average, the regional average, and three of Virginia’s five bordering states. School divisions in other states receive 14% more per student than school divisions in Virginia, on average. This equates to about $1,900 less per student for Virginia. The JLARC estimates that annually, APS is underfunded by approximately $51 million.”

Huh? I just compared APS to our neighboring districts. Some are even better performing. Some even higher COL.

Delulu

DC area school districts are mid.

Including APS. Still, compared to our neighboring districts, APS isn’t skimping on spending. So try again.

If you look outside of the swampy hellhole of the DC area, you’ll find areas of the country with excellent schools. They are well funded because their community values education.

Where? Specific examples please.

I bet they’re all affluent areas with little to no diversity — racial or socioeconomic.

Super easy to have excellent schools with a privileged, homogenous population. (Hint: it’s not about the money spent per student.)

Ok. Thanks for proving my point.

Schools that have many kids with higher needs (EL, economically disadvantaged, SN) require even more funding.

Or better parenting. No amount of money can help an IDGAF attitude.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but when you compare APS to other areas of the country, it doesn’t stand out as being super low. Like — of course — NYC is going to spend more per student, but the COL is astronomically higher than Arlington.

I do think some rural counties of Virginia need more funding. But Arlington isn’t some outlier like you’re claiming it to be. (And JLARC didn’t claim that either.)

I just said it’s underfunded. As are other districts in VA.

And you’re wrong. So take a seat.

I mean I'll go with JLARC over an anti public school rando who won't even put their name to their opinion.

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JLARC is an independent, bipartisan commission which is looking for cost savings. And they said it’s underfunded.

There's no way it's underfunded, just misappropriated. APS ranks among the highest per capita in the nation. This includes schools in New York state, of which there are close to 100 in the top 1000 in USNWR. College outcomes are terrible in APS as well. They just don't know how to run a school system in Arlington.

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Anonymous wrote:Compare APS to excellent school districts in high COL areas.

Also:
https://www.apsva.us/post/superintendent-presents-proposed-fy-2025-budget-to-maintain-core-services/
“ According to an independent review by the Joint Legislative Audit and Review Commission (JLARC), Virginia school divisions receive less K-12 funding per student than the 50-state average, the regional average, and three of Virginia’s five bordering states. School divisions in other states receive 14% more per student than school divisions in Virginia, on average. This equates to about $1,900 less per student for Virginia. The JLARC estimates that annually, APS is underfunded by approximately $51 million.”

Huh? I just compared APS to our neighboring districts. Some are even better performing. Some even higher COL.

Delulu

DC area school districts are mid.

Including APS. Still, compared to our neighboring districts, APS isn’t skimping on spending. So try again.

If you look outside of the swampy hellhole of the DC area, you’ll find areas of the country with excellent schools. They are well funded because their community values education.

Where? Specific examples please.

I bet they’re all affluent areas with little to no diversity — racial or socioeconomic.

Super easy to have excellent schools with a privileged, homogenous population. (Hint: it’s not about the money spent per student.)

Ok. Thanks for proving my point.

Schools that have many kids with higher needs (EL, economically disadvantaged, SN) require even more funding.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but when you compare APS to other areas of the country, it doesn’t stand out as being super low. Like — of course — NYC is going to spend more per student, but the COL is astronomically higher than Arlington.

I do think some rural counties of Virginia need more funding. But Arlington isn’t some outlier like you’re claiming it to be. (And JLARC didn’t claim that either.)

I just said it’s underfunded. As are other districts in VA.

And you’re wrong. So take a seat.

I mean I'll go with JLARC over an anti public school rando who won't even put their name to their opinion.

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JLARC is an independent, bipartisan commission which is looking for cost savings. And they said it’s underfunded.