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Anonymous wrote:104 victims of school spree shootings in the last 25 years (avg. 4/year), and while every single one is an absolutely abominable, heartbreaking tragedy, this is not even on my radar as something to worry about for my school-aged kids

Drunk driving & fentanyl, yes

You are wrong. These are the most common causes of death for minors.

1. Firearms
2. Motor vehicle accident
3. Drug overdose

Many gun related deaths are not mass shootings. Most of those gun deaths are accidents or gang related homicides.

The right to keep and bear arms is a natural right. The government is expressly forbidden from infringing upon it. If a government disregards this fact and does so anyway, the right still exists regardless. Hope this helps y’all. It’s really not complicated.

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Anonymous wrote:104 victims of school spree shootings in the last 25 years (avg. 4/year), and while every single one is an absolutely abominable, heartbreaking tragedy, this is not even on my radar as something to worry about for my school-aged kids

Drunk driving & fentanyl, yes

You have an odd perception of risk, but my kids aren't into drugs and alcohol so perhaps your concerns are different. I get shelter in place notices from my kid's school pretty regularly.

“ My kids aren’t into drugs or alcohol” is about the dumbest and naive thing I’ve read from a parent.

Many parents didn’t think their kids were into drugs until they overdosed. Many parents naively think their kids aren’t drinking alcohol and experimenting. If they aren’t drinking or taking drugs, they may have friends who do.

The biggest epidemic is all the drug use in suburban communities by the same naive parents who think “ that isn’t my kid” until it is.

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Anonymous wrote:104 victims of school spree shootings in the last 25 years (avg. 4/year), and while every single one is an absolutely abominable, heartbreaking tragedy, this is not even on my radar as something to worry about for my school-aged kids

Drunk driving & fentanyl, yes

You are wrong. These are the most common causes of death for minors.

1. Firearms
2. Motor vehicle accident
3. Drug overdose

Don't forget that the GOP pushed through the Dickey Amendment blocking funding for public health research on guns by the CDC. As gun suicides, accidents and homicides rise, we remain in the dark about the scope and the causes of the problem.

I don’t have a dog in this fight as I think guns are creepy and dangerous, but I think the stats look different when you take out the 18 and 19 year olds.

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Anonymous wrote:104 victims of school spree shootings in the last 25 years (avg. 4/year), and while every single one is an absolutely abominable, heartbreaking tragedy, this is not even on my radar as something to worry about for my school-aged kids

Drunk driving & fentanyl, yes

You have an odd perception of risk, but my kids aren't into drugs and alcohol so perhaps your concerns are different. I get shelter in place notices from my kid's school pretty regularly.

+1 If you are a good parent, you don't have to worry about your kids taking drugs or driving drunk.

But you cannot control what other kids do if they want to shoot up a school.

My kid had a lockdown because of an actual gun in the school. It was terrifying. They were sobbing. They have never been scared of fentanyl or drunk drivers.

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Anonymous wrote:104 victims of school spree shootings in the last 25 years (avg. 4/year), and while every single one is an absolutely abominable, heartbreaking tragedy, this is not even on my radar as something to worry about for my school-aged kids

Drunk driving & fentanyl, yes

You are wrong. These are the most common causes of death for minors.

1. Firearms
2. Motor vehicle accident
3. Drug overdose

CDC actually has decent data. I took a Quick Look at gun deaths, all causes (suicide, homicide, terrorism, accident, etc.) for 10-19 year olds in US.

14,212 total from 2018-2022

53 counties (1.9% of the of 3,143 in the US) accounted for 50% of these minor gun deaths

142 counties (4.5% of US counties) accounted for 75% of these minor gun deaths

12% of US counties accounted for basically all of them

eyeballing the top counties - urban, and poor

your risk varies quite a bit depending on where you are.

Anonymous wrote:It’s the price of freedom

That's garbage. I need a driver's license and an exam of my capabilities before I can drive a car and no one thinks that's too high of a price to pay for freedom. I am required to pay taxes and get searched before I board an airplane. Yet for some reason, it's totally fine to have no rules for safe gun ownership, because a few red states (which have much higher share of gun deaths than blue states) hold our political system hostage and we can't pass these laws. Let's hope your kids aren't the next ones gunned down.

It’s the price of freedom

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry but gun control won’t fix anything. Guns aren’t the problem, people and mental illness are the problem.

I’m from Chicago where Illinois has some of the most strict gun laws. We are pretty high in the ranks for gun violence.

Banning rifles won’t do anything when most gun violence and shootings are done by a pistol.

Criminals will always find a way to get guns, regardless if it’s legal. Look at all the felons committing mass shootings ( a mass shooting is 3 or more people shot) with illegal guns.

What we need to do is look into social media ties and mental illness. Why is it that gun ownership was prevalent before 2010 and we didn’t hear of any mass shootings as a normal occurrence. Social media has been on a drain on our society for years. All these mentally ill kids trying to become famous.


We can guns and we will took into the next London. They are having a huge epidemic of knifing deaths and attacks.

While we are at it, let’s ban cars too. They kill way more people and have been used by certain extremists to mow people down in mass events.

Taking the right to bear arms against a tyrannical government is not the answer. The answer is properly treating the mentally ill and doing away with social media.

And most of the guns used in crimes were purchased in the neighboring states with more relaxed gun laws. People tend to leave that part out when they use Chicago as an example of how gun laws don't work. How many are coming from Indiana???

That's fiction democrats have dreamed up to rationalize bad behavior. No, the shootings in inner-cities are mostly gang, drug and turf related. Many are repeat offenders. Regardless of what you think, guns don't shoot by themselves.

+1.

The biggest issue is democrats talk about guns but are so misinformed on every point that they aren’t taken seriously. Most democrats, as evidence on here, can’t even tell you the distinction between weapons. How can you take that person seriously when they are so misinformed and frankly stupid when it comes to any gun knowledge? You can’t.

You don't need to know the distinction between guns to suggest common sense gun laws. It seems like the gun nuts love to use this to deflect from the actual issue. Fine. You win. You're smarter than all of us about the different kinds of guns. Now that we have that out of the way, please explain why we should have red flag laws, safe storage laws, etc.

We don’t need storage laws. I’m all for stronger background checks and red flag laws. I’m not for seizing guns.

We don't need laws about storing guns so minors don't have access to them??

Complete word salad deflection from the gun lobby. Meanwhile 85% of the population wants gun laws that make them safer and the NRA and most of the GOP block them every step of the way.

+1 Still waiting for an explanation about why the NRA is opposed to laws requiring people to store their guns safely. Every year there are one or two toddlers who blow their brains out (often in the deep South) because their parent left their gun under a couch cushion.

Those parents are stupid and negligent.

So were the parents of this week’s school shooter.

There is no way to enforce a prohibition on stupid parenting. But you could advocate for more background checks, requirements for gun storage and elimination of high capacity magazines. Because those upstanding citizens who use guns to hunt don't need a high capacity magazines to kill a deer.

Oh I’m absolutely with you and I think these parents should be prosecuted as accessories to the murders of these four people for leaving their guns around for their child who was pleading for mental health help and had been interviewed by the FBI to use.
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300M people ^

Culture takes a really long time to change PP! Look at the South and how long it's taken to try to level Confederate history. Culture is why Japanese are speechless about our capacity to buy own and use guns so freely as a society. These are folks who will clean up the trash of strangers at a sports event! Scandinavia has a love of firearms yet they don't have this shooting of schools problem on the scale anywhere close to us. Culturally, they instill a ton of safety measures in order to utilize weapons - this is something tied to their love if guns - they don't see it as much as regulations as they see it as normal natural process. As such everyone is highly trained in firearms and they connect its utilization to specific activities ie not murdering people indiscriminately.

Culture is not undone in days and it's real. East coast culture differs from West from South.

The issue with the US often is that states have their own ways and regions have their own ways. As a country we are many different cultures bound together. Legally, our processes function at a fed and state level as well so that's also complicated.

It isn't as easy as 30 agreeing on a course of action. It's about different ways, ideas, laws, so many things that have made it near impossible to change the process of him control since a bunch of 6 year olds got shot in school. You really think that if that wasn't shocking enough of an event to bring everyone together any other would?

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Anonymous wrote:104 victims of school spree shootings in the last 25 years (avg. 4/year), and while every single one is an absolutely abominable, heartbreaking tragedy, this is not even on my radar as something to worry about for my school-aged kids

Drunk driving & fentanyl, yes

You are wrong. These are the most common causes of death for minors.

1. Firearms
2. Motor vehicle accident
3. Drug overdose

Don't forget that the GOP pushed through the Dickey Amendment blocking funding for public health research on guns by the CDC. As gun suicides, accidents and homicides rise, we remain in the dark about the scope and the causes of the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry but gun control won’t fix anything. Guns aren’t the problem, people and mental illness are the problem.

I’m from Chicago where Illinois has some of the most strict gun laws. We are pretty high in the ranks for gun violence.

Banning rifles won’t do anything when most gun violence and shootings are done by a pistol.

Criminals will always find a way to get guns, regardless if it’s legal. Look at all the felons committing mass shootings ( a mass shooting is 3 or more people shot) with illegal guns.

What we need to do is look into social media ties and mental illness. Why is it that gun ownership was prevalent before 2010 and we didn’t hear of any mass shootings as a normal occurrence. Social media has been on a drain on our society for years. All these mentally ill kids trying to become famous.


We can guns and we will took into the next London. They are having a huge epidemic of knifing deaths and attacks.

While we are at it, let’s ban cars too. They kill way more people and have been used by certain extremists to mow people down in mass events.

Taking the right to bear arms against a tyrannical government is not the answer. The answer is properly treating the mentally ill and doing away with social media.

And most of the guns used in crimes were purchased in the neighboring states with more relaxed gun laws. People tend to leave that part out when they use Chicago as an example of how gun laws don't work. How many are coming from Indiana???

That's fiction democrats have dreamed up to rationalize bad behavior. No, the shootings in inner-cities are mostly gang, drug and turf related. Many are repeat offenders. Regardless of what you think, guns don't shoot by themselves.

+1.

The biggest issue is democrats talk about guns but are so misinformed on every point that they aren’t taken seriously. Most democrats, as evidence on here, can’t even tell you the distinction between weapons. How can you take that person seriously when they are so misinformed and frankly stupid when it comes to any gun knowledge? You can’t.

You don't need to know the distinction between guns to suggest common sense gun laws. It seems like the gun nuts love to use this to deflect from the actual issue. Fine. You win. You're smarter than all of us about the different kinds of guns. Now that we have that out of the way, please explain why we should have red flag laws, safe storage laws, etc.

We don’t need storage laws. I’m all for stronger background checks and red flag laws. I’m not for seizing guns.

We don't need laws about storing guns so minors don't have access to them??

Complete word salad deflection from the gun lobby. Meanwhile 85% of the population wants gun laws that make them safer and the NRA and most of the GOP block them every step of the way.

+1 Still waiting for an explanation about why the NRA is opposed to laws requiring people to store their guns safely. Every year there are one or two toddlers who blow their brains out (often in the deep South) because their parent left their gun under a couch cushion.

Those parents are stupid and negligent.

So were the parents of this week’s school shooter.

There is no way to enforce a prohibition on stupid parenting. But you could advocate for more background checks, requirements for gun storage and elimination of high capacity magazines. Because those upstanding citizens who use guns to hunt don't need a high capacity magazines to kill a deer.

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Anonymous wrote:What I find funny is how many democrats vote for policies that destroy our communities and make them less safe. Let’s be real. Democrats want to take away guns to make communities less safe and put people in danger. It’s happening with no cash bail systems and lax laws. Democrat judges giving people weak punishments for crimes and being released back in our communities to commit more crimes.

Your fake outrage isn’t doing jack when people die by gun violence daily and no cares.

What I find funny (sad actually) is how Rs think easy access to guns somehow makes this country safer. We are more like a 3rd world country in that way.

"Weak punishments" are usually for non violent crimes.

Why do Rs think it's fine to allow people with mental illness to buy a gun?

The problem is lax policies and laws.

Switzerland, Norway, and Finland all have high gun populations but very little crime. Why is that?

They have strict gun control laws. Switzerland, for example, has banned high capacity mags.

https://theweek.com/gun-violence/1023213/why-are-mass-shootings-rare-in-other-countries-despite-high-levels-of-gun

Swiss:

Semi-automatic rifles with large magazines are banned, and people who want to purchase handguns or smaller magazine semi-automatic rifles must undergo a permitting process and send their weapon's information to the government.

Finland:

Finland has highly regulated gun control laws. Following a school shooting in 2007, Finnish Parliament raised the minimum age to purchase a gun from 15 to 18, and the prospective buyer must fill out a detailed application to receive a handling license. The interior ministry has also implemented "changes to the provisions on the storage of firearms, component parts of firearms, and cartridges," as well as additional legislation to ensure guns remain safely locked away when not in use.

They don't have loop holes like we do.

If only there were some sort of legislative process to close those loop holes rather than acting helpless. We have one--if only Congress could move past the GOP gridlock and get this done.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry but gun control won’t fix anything. Guns aren’t the problem, people and mental illness are the problem.

I’m from Chicago where Illinois has some of the most strict gun laws. We are pretty high in the ranks for gun violence.

Banning rifles won’t do anything when most gun violence and shootings are done by a pistol.

Criminals will always find a way to get guns, regardless if it’s legal. Look at all the felons committing mass shootings ( a mass shooting is 3 or more people shot) with illegal guns.

What we need to do is look into social media ties and mental illness. Why is it that gun ownership was prevalent before 2010 and we didn’t hear of any mass shootings as a normal occurrence. Social media has been on a drain on our society for years. All these mentally ill kids trying to become famous.


We can guns and we will took into the next London. They are having a huge epidemic of knifing deaths and attacks.

While we are at it, let’s ban cars too. They kill way more people and have been used by certain extremists to mow people down in mass events.

Taking the right to bear arms against a tyrannical government is not the answer. The answer is properly treating the mentally ill and doing away with social media.

And most of the guns used in crimes were purchased in the neighboring states with more relaxed gun laws. People tend to leave that part out when they use Chicago as an example of how gun laws don't work. How many are coming from Indiana???

That's fiction democrats have dreamed up to rationalize bad behavior. No, the shootings in inner-cities are mostly gang, drug and turf related. Many are repeat offenders. Regardless of what you think, guns don't shoot by themselves.

+1.

The biggest issue is democrats talk about guns but are so misinformed on every point that they aren’t taken seriously. Most democrats, as evidence on here, can’t even tell you the distinction between weapons. How can you take that person seriously when they are so misinformed and frankly stupid when it comes to any gun knowledge? You can’t.

You don't need to know the distinction between guns to suggest common sense gun laws. It seems like the gun nuts love to use this to deflect from the actual issue. Fine. You win. You're smarter than all of us about the different kinds of guns. Now that we have that out of the way, please explain why we should have red flag laws, safe storage laws, etc.

We don’t need storage laws. I’m all for stronger background checks and red flag laws. I’m not for seizing guns.

We don't need laws about storing guns so minors don't have access to them??

Complete word salad deflection from the gun lobby. Meanwhile 85% of the population wants gun laws that make them safer and the NRA and most of the GOP block them every step of the way.

+1 Still waiting for an explanation about why the NRA is opposed to laws requiring people to store their guns safely. Every year there are one or two toddlers who blow their brains out (often in the deep South) because their parent left their gun under a couch cushion.

Those parents are stupid and negligent.

So were the parents of this week’s school shooter.