Anonymous wrote:WhatvI don't like is paying for a concierge PCP who then shoves me off by email " if it gets worse go see somebody else" without seeing me.
The pimple I asked about maybe an antibiotic cream for turned into a nasty access during the 5 days waiting to get an appointment with "somebody else" (gyn) now I am on Keflex for 10 days. My fee said 24 hour appointments. It didn't say "we deal with men below the belt but women oh no"

Teledoc is the very best for this sort of situation.

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Anonymous wrote:Doctors are the only highly paid professional that can get away with regularly being late to meetings with their clients. Bankers and lawyers certainly don't make their clients wait well past their appointment times.

We have said over and over on this forum that doctors do not control their schedules these days. They have back to back appointments and sometimes double booked appointments made by administrators. This is why doctors are going concierge and why you all need to go find a practice like this. It should solve all the issues here.

This is like screaming over and over again: "Just be rich and stop complaining!" Especially silly since that is indeed what rich people are already doing.

But it's just a business. Right?

If you can't pay for something, that isn't a business's problem.

I don't believe it is just a business.

You must be new to this thread. That's a new position, at least as being expressed by a non-doctor. Welcome!

Can you please elaborate on what the additional responsibilities or other factors are that make it not just a business? That will help in figuring out how to solve the problem.

I am not new to it. I think many doctors do view it as a business. Part of it is needing to make a living and a profit. I think as a result some patients view it as a business as well, hence the concierge model. I don't think I seriously need to explain to a doctor that literally being able to save/kill someone through proper or improper care makes the job more than a business...

Would you say that this sort of responsibility isn't shared by lawyers or bankers?

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Anonymous wrote:Doctors are the only highly paid professional that can get away with regularly being late to meetings with their clients. Bankers and lawyers certainly don't make their clients wait well past their appointment times.

We have said over and over on this forum that doctors do not control their schedules these days. They have back to back appointments and sometimes double booked appointments made by administrators. This is why doctors are going concierge and why you all need to go find a practice like this. It should solve all the issues here.

This is like screaming over and over again: "Just be rich and stop complaining!" Especially silly since that is indeed what rich people are already doing.

But it's just a business. Right?

If you can't pay for something, that isn't a business's problem.

I don't believe it is just a business.

You must be new to this thread. That's a new position, at least as being expressed by a non-doctor. Welcome!

Can you please elaborate on what the additional responsibilities or other factors are that make it not just a business? That will help in figuring out how to solve the problem.

I am not new to it. I think many doctors do view it as a business. Part of it is needing to make a living and a profit. I think as a result some patients view it as a business as well, hence the concierge model. I don't think I seriously need to explain to a doctor that literally being able to save/kill someone through proper or improper care makes the job more than a business...

WhatvI don't like is paying for a concierge PCP who then shoves me off by email " if it gets worse go see somebody else" without seeing me.
The pimple I asked about maybe an antibiotic cream for turned into a nasty access during the 5 days waiting to get an appointment with "somebody else" (gyn) now I am on Keflex for 10 days. My fee said 24 hour appointments. It didn't say "we deal with men below the belt but women oh no"

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Anonymous wrote:Doctors are the only highly paid professional that can get away with regularly being late to meetings with their clients. Bankers and lawyers certainly don't make their clients wait well past their appointment times.

We have said over and over on this forum that doctors do not control their schedules these days. They have back to back appointments and sometimes double booked appointments made by administrators. This is why doctors are going concierge and why you all need to go find a practice like this. It should solve all the issues here.

This is like screaming over and over again: "Just be rich and stop complaining!" Especially silly since that is indeed what rich people are already doing.

But it's just a business. Right?

If you can't pay for something, that isn't a business's problem.

I don't believe it is just a business.

You must be new to this thread. That's a new position, at least as being expressed by a non-doctor. Welcome!

Can you please elaborate on what the additional responsibilities or other factors are that make it not just a business? That will help in figuring out how to solve the problem.

Anonymous wrote:Doctors are the only highly paid professional that can get away with regularly being late to meetings with their clients. Bankers and lawyers certainly don't make their clients wait well past their appointment times.

Exactly! And if a doctor can't structure his work life as well as a banker can, then he should work for himself by starting up a small practice and spend as much (on-time) time as he thinks he needs with each of his patients.

Concierge medicine really is the answer to everything. Concierge doctors aren't regularly being late to meetings with their clients.

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Anonymous wrote:Doctors are the only highly paid professional that can get away with regularly being late to meetings with their clients. Bankers and lawyers certainly don't make their clients wait well past their appointment times.

We have said over and over on this forum that doctors do not control their schedules these days. They have back to back appointments and sometimes double booked appointments made by administrators. This is why doctors are going concierge and why you all need to go find a practice like this. It should solve all the issues here.

This is like screaming over and over again: "Just be rich and stop complaining!" Especially silly since that is indeed what rich people are already doing.

But it's just a business. Right?

If you can't pay for something, that isn't a business's problem.

I don't believe it is just a business.

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Anonymous wrote:Doctors are the only highly paid professional that can get away with regularly being late to meetings with their clients. Bankers and lawyers certainly don't make their clients wait well past their appointment times.

We have said over and over on this forum that doctors do not control their schedules these days. They have back to back appointments and sometimes double booked appointments made by administrators. This is why doctors are going concierge and why you all need to go find a practice like this. It should solve all the issues here.

This is like screaming over and over again: "Just be rich and stop complaining!" Especially silly since that is indeed what rich people are already doing.

But it's just a business. Right?

If you can't pay for something, that isn't a business's problem.

Waiting is not an issue for me if we're talking about a specialist who is amazing. My ds's ENT surgeon had a 1+ hour wait for every visit. He took every insurance. He had the absolute best skills and bedside manner and focused 100% on the patient once actually with them. I respect that. Otoh I had a derm make me wait for 1 hour and then spend maybe 1 minute with me for a full body check (I have 100+ moles). I never went back.

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Anonymous wrote:Doctors are the only highly paid professional that can get away with regularly being late to meetings with their clients. Bankers and lawyers certainly don't make their clients wait well past their appointment times.

We have said over and over on this forum that doctors do not control their schedules these days. They have back to back appointments and sometimes double booked appointments made by administrators. This is why doctors are going concierge and why you all need to go find a practice like this. It should solve all the issues here.

This is like screaming over and over again: "Just be rich and stop complaining!" Especially silly since that is indeed what rich people are already doing.

Anonymous wrote:Doctors are the only highly paid professional that can get away with regularly being late to meetings with their clients. Bankers and lawyers certainly don't make their clients wait well past their appointment times.

We have said over and over on this forum that doctors do not control their schedules these days. They have back to back appointments and sometimes double booked appointments made by administrators. This is why doctors are going concierge and why you all need to go find a practice like this. It should solve all the issues here.

Doctors are the only highly paid professional that can get away with regularly being late to meetings with their clients. Bankers and lawyers certainly don't make their clients wait well past their appointment times.

It's just a business, PP. Doctors aren't anything special.

Vote with your feet and go somewhere else, just like you would if someone were a jerk at any store.

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So seriously what do you want from doctors? Should they even exist anymore?

The AI isn't quite smart enough, yet, to run differential diagnosis protocols. But once it is? Any PCP who isn't capable of adding human compassion and value to that formula needs to GTFO. Most of the doctors I see are medgoogling my symptoms anyway. Once the algorithm can do that, we'll only need experienced doctors for review (we're already using this model, just with PAs and NPs instead of AI).

So I want doctors to act like their humanity is the value add, because that's going to be the only way they keep their jobs unless they're specialists.

By the time that happens, all the people who are part of the complaining group but can’t afford to pay for concierge because their skills and time are not valuable enough will be unemployed anyways. So I guess it will all work out in the end.

I’m a teacher. I guess my time and skills aren’t valuable to society since I can’t afford concierge. Is that right, PP?

Unfortunately, going to my doctor sometimes makes me feel unimportant. A doctor once expressed anger because my appt (which I was on time for, but had to wait 1.5 hours) was going to make her work past 4, which meant I was bleeding into her private time. She made sure I knew she was making a great sacrifice.

As a teacher who regularly works nights and weekends just to stay afloat at work, the comment hit hard.

But the PP here says my value to society is limited, so I guess it doesn’t matter how I feel.

You sound bitter. Aren't people who provide service to others supposed to take care of themselves and not complain?

I’m the PP. Yes, I simply accept that I’m going to experience poor behavior since I deal with children.

I would like to think a professional doctor could be a bit more gracious, especially after I wait well over an hour for my appointment. I’m always kind and respectful; it’s in my nature. I didn’t deserve the doctor’s treatment that day, but I have come to expect that negative behavior at our doctor’s office.

I can sit patiently and wait. I can be pleasant when the doctor arrives very late. Perhaps the doctor could work on her own behavior. She is in the business of providing service to others, as well.

I am not in the wrong here.

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