Anonymous wrote:Let's all be honest. No team is purely 50/50 or has perfectly even playing time. At the end of a close game against a good competitor, all coaches will have their best players in the game, as they should, despite whatever BS the club marketing material says. Some teams are obnoxious about the lack of playing time for some kids, but none are perfectly even.

What team has marketing material that claims they have equal playing time? Can you share a link?

Capital does have equal rotations. They also don’t have “starters” (different players start each game). I’m a Capital parent and can say this from personal experience. I’m unaware of any statement they’ve ever made about these practices.

Capital’s focus is on maximizing the number of recruits, not maximizing wins. Their philosophy is, the more time everyone gets, the more schools see them perform. It’s the reason Capital rarely beats M&D or Hero’s - and when they do, it’s a pretty big deal because those teams are not as 50/50, as some Md club parents have acknowledged. They may play evenly at the start, but they lean on the starters at the end if the game is close. It makes total sense to do this to win more games of course, but the PP who claims all clubs do this isn’t familiar with / doesn’t have a kid on Capital.

We all know the star players on the various teams based on many matches at multiple tourneys over years of play, and I’ve been on the sidelines when Md clubs keep the starters on the field if it’s close.

Capital doesn’t do this - they stick to even rotations despite the score. They lose games this way, but the club’s feeling is that it offers more kids more exposure.

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Anonymous wrote:Given Coppermines lack of recruiting, I expect many will leave for the other 3 top Maryland clubs very soon. I am sure they are currently plotting which girls are going where so relationships and friendships remain intact.

I don't think they will lose as many as people think they will. Coppermine may not have the most glorified history, as compared to others, but a top 2 team in the country is a top 2 team in the country. Top college coaches will be on their sideline regardless of the name on the front of the jersey. They also do have a solid history with some good D1 commits.

I agree. Feels like that club is putting a lot into the 2028 team and they have some spectacular players. Maryland boards are pretty obsessed with criticizing their style of play, and substitution strategies, but they seem to be pretty effective as a team. Guessing that if they can come close to their level of play from the last two years this season, that the team's core will hold together.

Great group of kids. Will be interesting to see how this NGLL season goes. If they have a good run as expected I think they will stay together for the most part. There will be some attrition but that is to be expected.

No reason for any players getting significant playing time to leave. Those who don’t play much may seek other alternatives

Absolutely. Very talented players on that team who do not always see the field. That seems to be the chief knock on Coppermine ‘28 is that they play the same kids for the vast majority of the game. Have no idea if that is true as DD team only plays a couple times a year.

Not unique to Coppermine. Many MD clubs favor the starters.

Which other MD clubs do this?

The top ones do this when games are tight against other top 10 teams. When games are well in hand, time is spread around.

I suppose Pride would put their second stringers in against M&D late in a close game? Gold lord. NoVA parents.

Pride has pretty equal playing time. Including during the 8-8 tie with M&D in July.

NP - so do most of the MD clubs. Coppermine is the outlier which is why everyone criticizes them on the Back of the Cage thread.

Not true. MD clubs rely heavily on the starters when playing top competition in close games. Pride is equal time, regardless of the game or score. Capital is the same.

I’d agree that the non-MD Coppermine clubs are not 50/50 exactly like Pride and Cap but if everyone is seeing the field for a good amount of time, everyone is happy then what’s the problem? I know several Capital parents who do not like the 50/50 breakdown. Can’t speak to Pride.

Just pointing out a fact — which you’ve now affirmed and another poster challenged, quite dickishly — that Md clubs are not equal playing time.

Let's all be honest. No team is purely 50/50 or has perfectly even playing time. At the end of a close game against a good competitor, all coaches will have their best players in the game, as they should, despite whatever BS the club marketing material says. Some teams are obnoxious about the lack of playing time for some kids, but none are perfectly even.

I would rather my daughter play on a team that plays to win while still ensuring that all girls see the field for a significant amount of time for their recruiting prospects but more importantly for fun. If your daughter js on a top team, then she’s obviously a very good player and it would be a shame if she did bot see the field which is the criticism, I think, of Coppermine. Personally, I’d prefer that the best players play at the end of a tight game against top competition so that the team has the best chance of winning. I see why some people like 50/50 though.

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Anonymous wrote:My take from this post:

1. All four are great clubs.
2. Once Stars and Pride merged into Capital, they improved every year.
3. Who will the coaches be for all of the28 teams? Do the current coaches stay with the 28s all the way through?

I would not agree that Pride and Stars are great clubs if everyone is clamoring to leave in 8th grade. Capital has a great track record and virtually no one leaves Hero’s after 8th grade so clearly those two are great clubs.

Last I heard on the previous thread was that the Stars ‘28 coach will be the Cap ‘28 coach.

Wrong. The Capital 25 coach will be the Capital 28 coach. He does help out occasionally with Stars, but is not their coach

The nuance of "helping out" with the Stars 28s, but not being the coach--when he seems to be the most significant presence on the sideline--is not obvious to those not in the Stars orbit. But it has been explained in strong terms before on this thread, usually punctuated by IYKYK guy.

He was definitely the coach last year

Not quite. He was a very part time assistant coach and came when he was able to be there.

Not factual

Very factual. He can’t be the head coach of the 28 and the head coach of Capital 25. When he didn’t have a conflict, he would always be there for the 28s. If he couldn’t make it, he didn’t. Why are you literally arguing with people who know. You realize, it only makes you look stupid.

He’s been at all of our Capital events. I think he’s helped out Stars for KJ and SW when he was free, but he’s been with Capital for a long time and had some of their best teams over the years, including this 25 one.

Good job team. You’ve all picked up your game!

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Anonymous wrote:Given Coppermines lack of recruiting, I expect many will leave for the other 3 top Maryland clubs very soon. I am sure they are currently plotting which girls are going where so relationships and friendships remain intact.

I don't think they will lose as many as people think they will. Coppermine may not have the most glorified history, as compared to others, but a top 2 team in the country is a top 2 team in the country. Top college coaches will be on their sideline regardless of the name on the front of the jersey. They also do have a solid history with some good D1 commits.

I agree. Feels like that club is putting a lot into the 2028 team and they have some spectacular players. Maryland boards are pretty obsessed with criticizing their style of play, and substitution strategies, but they seem to be pretty effective as a team. Guessing that if they can come close to their level of play from the last two years this season, that the team's core will hold together.

Great group of kids. Will be interesting to see how this NGLL season goes. If they have a good run as expected I think they will stay together for the most part. There will be some attrition but that is to be expected.

No reason for any players getting significant playing time to leave. Those who don’t play much may seek other alternatives

Absolutely. Very talented players on that team who do not always see the field. That seems to be the chief knock on Coppermine ‘28 is that they play the same kids for the vast majority of the game. Have no idea if that is true as DD team only plays a couple times a year.

Not unique to Coppermine. Many MD clubs favor the starters.

Which other MD clubs do this?

The top ones do this when games are tight against other top 10 teams. When games are well in hand, time is spread around.

I suppose Pride would put their second stringers in against M&D late in a close game? Gold lord. NoVA parents.

Pride has pretty equal playing time. Including during the 8-8 tie with M&D in July.

NP - so do most of the MD clubs. Coppermine is the outlier which is why everyone criticizes them on the Back of the Cage thread.

Not true. MD clubs rely heavily on the starters when playing top competition in close games. Pride is equal time, regardless of the game or score. Capital is the same.

I’d agree that the non-MD Coppermine clubs are not 50/50 exactly like Pride and Cap but if everyone is seeing the field for a good amount of time, everyone is happy then what’s the problem? I know several Capital parents who do not like the 50/50 breakdown. Can’t speak to Pride.

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Anonymous wrote:Given Coppermines lack of recruiting, I expect many will leave for the other 3 top Maryland clubs very soon. I am sure they are currently plotting which girls are going where so relationships and friendships remain intact.

I don't think they will lose as many as people think they will. Coppermine may not have the most glorified history, as compared to others, but a top 2 team in the country is a top 2 team in the country. Top college coaches will be on their sideline regardless of the name on the front of the jersey. They also do have a solid history with some good D1 commits.

I agree. Feels like that club is putting a lot into the 2028 team and they have some spectacular players. Maryland boards are pretty obsessed with criticizing their style of play, and substitution strategies, but they seem to be pretty effective as a team. Guessing that if they can come close to their level of play from the last two years this season, that the team's core will hold together.

Great group of kids. Will be interesting to see how this NGLL season goes. If they have a good run as expected I think they will stay together for the most part. There will be some attrition but that is to be expected.

No reason for any players getting significant playing time to leave. Those who don’t play much may seek other alternatives

Absolutely. Very talented players on that team who do not always see the field. That seems to be the chief knock on Coppermine ‘28 is that they play the same kids for the vast majority of the game. Have no idea if that is true as DD team only plays a couple times a year.

Not unique to Coppermine. Many MD clubs favor the starters.

Which other MD clubs do this?

The top ones do this when games are tight against other top 10 teams. When games are well in hand, time is spread around.

I suppose Pride would put their second stringers in against M&D late in a close game? Gold lord. NoVA parents.

Pride has pretty equal playing time. Including during the 8-8 tie with M&D in July.

NP - so do most of the MD clubs. Coppermine is the outlier which is why everyone criticizes them on the Back of the Cage thread.

Not true. MD clubs rely heavily on the starters when playing top competition in close games. Pride is equal time, regardless of the game or score. Capital is the same.

And you know this how? Assume you are a MD parent? You are simply wrong and painting with such a broad brush as to be uncredible. No two teams are exactly alike but as I said before, Coppermine gets all the negative attention because they do it to the extreme. I do not hear anyone complaining about (or on) the other teams.

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Anonymous wrote:Given Coppermines lack of recruiting, I expect many will leave for the other 3 top Maryland clubs very soon. I am sure they are currently plotting which girls are going where so relationships and friendships remain intact.

I don't think they will lose as many as people think they will. Coppermine may not have the most glorified history, as compared to others, but a top 2 team in the country is a top 2 team in the country. Top college coaches will be on their sideline regardless of the name on the front of the jersey. They also do have a solid history with some good D1 commits.

I agree. Feels like that club is putting a lot into the 2028 team and they have some spectacular players. Maryland boards are pretty obsessed with criticizing their style of play, and substitution strategies, but they seem to be pretty effective as a team. Guessing that if they can come close to their level of play from the last two years this season, that the team's core will hold together.

Great group of kids. Will be interesting to see how this NGLL season goes. If they have a good run as expected I think they will stay together for the most part. There will be some attrition but that is to be expected.

No reason for any players getting significant playing time to leave. Those who don’t play much may seek other alternatives

Absolutely. Very talented players on that team who do not always see the field. That seems to be the chief knock on Coppermine ‘28 is that they play the same kids for the vast majority of the game. Have no idea if that is true as DD team only plays a couple times a year.

Not unique to Coppermine. Many MD clubs favor the starters.

Which other MD clubs do this?

The top ones do this when games are tight against other top 10 teams. When games are well in hand, time is spread around.

I suppose Pride would put their second stringers in against M&D late in a close game? Gold lord. NoVA parents.

Pride has pretty equal playing time. Including during the 8-8 tie with M&D in July.

NP - so do most of the MD clubs. Coppermine is the outlier which is why everyone criticizes them on the Back of the Cage thread.

Not true. MD clubs rely heavily on the starters when playing top competition in close games. Pride is equal time, regardless of the game or score. Capital is the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Given Coppermines lack of recruiting, I expect many will leave for the other 3 top Maryland clubs very soon. I am sure they are currently plotting which girls are going where so relationships and friendships remain intact.

I don't think they will lose as many as people think they will. Coppermine may not have the most glorified history, as compared to others, but a top 2 team in the country is a top 2 team in the country. Top college coaches will be on their sideline regardless of the name on the front of the jersey. They also do have a solid history with some good D1 commits.

I agree. Feels like that club is putting a lot into the 2028 team and they have some spectacular players. Maryland boards are pretty obsessed with criticizing their style of play, and substitution strategies, but they seem to be pretty effective as a team. Guessing that if they can come close to their level of play from the last two years this season, that the team's core will hold together.

Great group of kids. Will be interesting to see how this NGLL season goes. If they have a good run as expected I think they will stay together for the most part. There will be some attrition but that is to be expected.

No reason for any players getting significant playing time to leave. Those who don’t play much may seek other alternatives

Absolutely. Very talented players on that team who do not always see the field. That seems to be the chief knock on Coppermine ‘28 is that they play the same kids for the vast majority of the game. Have no idea if that is true as DD team only plays a couple times a year.

Not unique to Coppermine. Many MD clubs favor the starters.

Which other MD clubs do this?

The top ones do this when games are tight against other top 10 teams. When games are well in hand, time is spread around.

I suppose Pride would put their second stringers in against M&D late in a close game? Gold lord. NoVA parents.

Pride has pretty equal playing time. Including during the 8-8 tie with M&D in July.

NP - so do most of the MD clubs. Coppermine is the outlier which is why everyone criticizes them on the Back of the Cage thread.

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Anonymous wrote:My take from this post:

1. All four are great clubs.
2. Once Stars and Pride merged into Capital, they improved every year.
3. Who will the coaches be for all of the28 teams? Do the current coaches stay with the 28s all the way through?

I would not agree that Pride and Stars are great clubs if everyone is clamoring to leave in 8th grade. Capital has a great track record and virtually no one leaves Hero’s after 8th grade so clearly those two are great clubs.

Last I heard on the previous thread was that the Stars ‘28 coach will be the Cap ‘28 coach.

Wrong. The Capital 25 coach will be the Capital 28 coach. He does help out occasionally with Stars, but is not their coach

The nuance of "helping out" with the Stars 28s, but not being the coach--when he seems to be the most significant presence on the sideline--is not obvious to those not in the Stars orbit. But it has been explained in strong terms before on this thread, usually punctuated by IYKYK guy.

IYKYK

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Anonymous wrote:My take from this post:

1. All four are great clubs.
2. Once Stars and Pride merged into Capital, they improved every year.
3. Who will the coaches be for all of the28 teams? Do the current coaches stay with the 28s all the way through?

I would not agree that Pride and Stars are great clubs if everyone is clamoring to leave in 8th grade. Capital has a great track record and virtually no one leaves Hero’s after 8th grade so clearly those two are great clubs.

Last I heard on the previous thread was that the Stars ‘28 coach will be the Cap ‘28 coach.

Wrong. The Capital 25 coach will be the Capital 28 coach. He does help out occasionally with Stars, but is not their coach

The nuance of "helping out" with the Stars 28s, but not being the coach--when he seems to be the most significant presence on the sideline--is not obvious to those not in the Stars orbit. But it has been explained in strong terms before on this thread, usually punctuated by IYKYK guy.

He was definitely the coach last year

Not quite. He was a very part time assistant coach and came when he was able to be there.

Not factual

Very factual. He can’t be the head coach of the 28 and the head coach of Capital 25. When he didn’t have a conflict, he would always be there for the 28s. If he couldn’t make it, he didn’t. Why are you literally arguing with people who know. You realize, it only makes you look stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:Given Coppermines lack of recruiting, I expect many will leave for the other 3 top Maryland clubs very soon. I am sure they are currently plotting which girls are going where so relationships and friendships remain intact.

I don't think they will lose as many as people think they will. Coppermine may not have the most glorified history, as compared to others, but a top 2 team in the country is a top 2 team in the country. Top college coaches will be on their sideline regardless of the name on the front of the jersey. They also do have a solid history with some good D1 commits.

I agree. Feels like that club is putting a lot into the 2028 team and they have some spectacular players. Maryland boards are pretty obsessed with criticizing their style of play, and substitution strategies, but they seem to be pretty effective as a team. Guessing that if they can come close to their level of play from the last two years this season, that the team's core will hold together.

Great group of kids. Will be interesting to see how this NGLL season goes. If they have a good run as expected I think they will stay together for the most part. There will be some attrition but that is to be expected.

No reason for any players getting significant playing time to leave. Those who don’t play much may seek other alternatives

Absolutely. Very talented players on that team who do not always see the field. That seems to be the chief knock on Coppermine ‘28 is that they play the same kids for the vast majority of the game. Have no idea if that is true as DD team only plays a couple times a year.

Not unique to Coppermine. Many MD clubs favor the starters.

Which other MD clubs do this?

The top ones do this when games are tight against other top 10 teams. When games are well in hand, time is spread around.

I suppose Pride would put their second stringers in against M&D late in a close game? Gold lord. NoVA parents.

Pride has pretty equal playing time. Including during the 8-8 tie with M&D in July.

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Anonymous wrote:My take from this post:

1. All four are great clubs.
2. Once Stars and Pride merged into Capital, they improved every year.
3. Who will the coaches be for all of the28 teams? Do the current coaches stay with the 28s all the way through?

I would not agree that Pride and Stars are great clubs if everyone is clamoring to leave in 8th grade. Capital has a great track record and virtually no one leaves Hero’s after 8th grade so clearly those two are great clubs.

Last I heard on the previous thread was that the Stars ‘28 coach will be the Cap ‘28 coach.

Wrong. The Capital 25 coach will be the Capital 28 coach. He does help out occasionally with Stars, but is not their coach

The nuance of "helping out" with the Stars 28s, but not being the coach--when he seems to be the most significant presence on the sideline--is not obvious to those not in the Stars orbit. But it has been explained in strong terms before on this thread, usually punctuated by IYKYK guy.

He was definitely the coach last year

Not quite. He was a very part time assistant coach and came when he was able to be there.

Not factual

Actually factual.
He was on the sideline at times but Molly was the coach.

Yes, I hear FCA rides their starters all day. Good point.