Anonymous
10/13/2023 15:59
Subject: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Again, switch his skin color to black and see what would happen.
Again, UC is race blind.
This is a joke. Race can be proxied in many different ways like in the recent TJ reform. You think people are that stupid?
You are really a non-nuanced and reactive thinker. Yes, race can be proxied but the UC system admits the top 9% of each school. The kid attended a wealthy, high-performing suburban school. Kids at his school don't benefit from racial proxies. The UCs didn't pass over applicants in his school for another school with lower-performing students. They passed over him and admitted the higher performing kids (based on GPA and rigor), which are predominantly Aisan. That is the system that CA adopted. Texas has the same system but admits more OOS students, especially UT Austin, and doesn't have an exploding college-age population compared to Texas.
I mean they can tell you're an Asian from your last name. It's not that hard.
So you are arguing that he was in the top 9% of the class and skipped over because of his Asian last name? The UCs choose one of the non-Asian students ( 10% Hispanic/30% white) at his school or one of the 9% of economically disadvantaged kids?
Okay
Racists are not necessarily idiots. And practicing racial discrimination doesn't necessarily mean they would accept zero Asians. Compare his credentials with kids of different skin colors and we'll know whether there was a racial discrimination. That's why it's important to have more transparency: why he was denied and why other people were accepted.
Compare his credentials against other kids from his HS. That’s who he is competing against.
Anonymous
10/13/2023 15:55
Subject: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Yes, he was judged against his peers and penalized for going to a high performing school. The same thing happens across the country.
Unfortunately, we don't have a uniform system of grading or even curriculum in this country--not even at the state level. Even with standardized tests, how does a school compare students in relation to the general population?
The system doesn't have to be perfect. Holistic admissions is good. However, why do they need to directly pit students from one high school against each other? Why not evaluate each student according to their own merits?
The 5 UCs this kid applied to cannot give him a slot given his accomplishments? That is pretty messed up. I understand not being accepted to the other schools he applied to. They are private or another state’s flagship. But when a high achieving California student cannot get a slot in his own state school system (except for campuses where noone wants to attend) then there clearly is a problem.
He applied to highly rejective universities as a Comp Sci Major! So also the most highly selective major at most universities (architecture might be more selective at Cal Poly SLO but that's it).
Combine those two issues (highly selective college and the most highly selective major) and yes even a top student will see rejections. However, had he applied to more schools in the 30-80 range, that are Targets and not reaches for CS, he very likely would have gotten into several of those.
Anonymous
10/13/2023 15:21
Subject: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Yes, he was judged against his peers and penalized for going to a high performing school. The same thing happens across the country.
Unfortunately, we don't have a uniform system of grading or even curriculum in this country--not even at the state level. Even with standardized tests, how does a school compare students in relation to the general population?
The system doesn't have to be perfect. Holistic admissions is good. However, why do they need to directly pit students from one high school against each other? Why not evaluate each student according to their own merits?
The 5 UCs this kid applied to cannot give him a slot given his accomplishments? That is pretty messed up. I understand not being accepted to the other schools he applied to. They are private or another state’s flagship. But when a high achieving California student cannot get a slot in his own state school system (except for campuses where noone wants to attend) then there clearly is a problem.
Maybe they are just tired of people with fake startups run by their parents?
Or tired of any startups. It's an accomplishment, but it's not what undergrad is about, and it's not novel. More than a decade ago a friend's son had a profitable start up, they sat down with Stanford admissions and expected them to gush, but instead heard something to the effect of, this might help applying to our business school at some later date, but undergrad we offer a liberal arts education, maybe we're not what you're looking for. Kid went to Duke as a legacy and on to a lucrative finance career. Assume the business is shuttered.
Anonymous
10/13/2023 15:20
Subject: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges
Anonymous wrote:
One can argue the other way… why take money from wealthy/successful communities and spend it on poor/unsuccessful communities? Wait, that is exactly what California is all about! 😎
My family came to the USA because of opportunity hoarding back home. The same classes of people who keep you down no matter how hard you work.
So many people came here with nothing and succeeded with hard work and smarts. It’s the American Dream. If you work hard enough then you will go up. Our society already gives so much help to the needy.
Anonymous
10/13/2023 14:44
Subject: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s his dad who should be admitted lol
So tired of all the lies
Surely his google dad has nothing to do with his job or his startup yeah sure!
And people defending him on fb college groups?
Soviet emigres claiming their kids are first Gen, among others
It’s the same crowd, people from tiger cultures (not only Asian) who stop at nothing to give their kids a leg up… coming to america and lying… well guess what not all Americans are gullible
I am an immigrant myself and believe me I’ve seen people playing the game!
People: "Successful parents should make their children study and work hard to earn their place, not be trust fund babies."
Asian parents: "OK".
People: "No, not like that."
You think dad (an non-native-English-speaking immigrant, BTW) took time off of his high-level job to take his kid's school tests and APs and SATs and create is startup software and business?
You think that asking for colleges to publish their admissions criteria is a scam?
This kid went on live TV with more poise than anyone here. He laid out the facts and asked similar for colleges to tell students how they decide admissions. He didn't demand entry or claim racism.
His objective independently-verified credentials, from multiple organizations, from the school district to College Board to Google to the free market, are better than anyone's here. But you invent reasons to hate him because of your inferiority complex.
The kid is an objectively good student, no doubt
However he would have NEVER been able to do two things: create a startup and get a job at Google
I am an immigrant also, and I know very well to what lengths immigrant parents go to give their kids a leg up. They don’t stop at pretty much anything if they can get away with it.
I feel bad for nice American people who think everyone is as honest and ethical as themselves
It is a badge of honor in some cultures (including mine, unfortunately) to take advantage of the trust
Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg both lied about their startups, I guess? Oh wait, you meant to say only immigrants lie. Maybe you get that impression from your own family tradition?
Were they sophomores in HS when they created them?
I never said ONLY immigrants lie.
And personal attacks are a sign of losing an argument
"They [immigrants] don’t stop at pretty much anything if they can get away with it.", "nice American people"...
You already lost the argument. I was just disgusted that you sucked dikk like this.
Anonymous
10/13/2023 14:44
Subject: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s his dad who should be admitted lol
So tired of all the lies
Surely his google dad has nothing to do with his job or his startup yeah sure!
And people defending him on fb college groups?
Soviet emigres claiming their kids are first Gen, among others
It’s the same crowd, people from tiger cultures (not only Asian) who stop at nothing to give their kids a leg up… coming to america and lying… well guess what not all Americans are gullible
I am an immigrant myself and believe me I’ve seen people playing the game!
People: "Successful parents should make their children study and work hard to earn their place, not be trust fund babies."
Asian parents: "OK".
People: "No, not like that."
You think dad (an non-native-English-speaking immigrant, BTW) took time off of his high-level job to take his kid's school tests and APs and SATs and create is startup software and business?
You think that asking for colleges to publish their admissions criteria is a scam?
This kid went on live TV with more poise than anyone here. He laid out the facts and asked similar for colleges to tell students how they decide admissions. He didn't demand entry or claim racism.
His objective independently-verified credentials, from multiple organizations, from the school district to College Board to Google to the free market, are better than anyone's here. But you invent reasons to hate him because of your inferiority complex.
The kid is an objectively good student, no doubt
However he would have NEVER been able to do two things: create a startup and get a job at Google
I am an immigrant also, and I know very well to what lengths immigrant parents go to give their kids a leg up. They don’t stop at pretty much anything if they can get away with it.
I feel bad for nice American people who think everyone is as honest and ethical as themselves
It is a badge of honor in some cultures (including mine, unfortunately) to take advantage of the trust
Unless the guy is a high up EVP, nepotism is frowned upon at Google. I used to work there.
And gmafb.. "nice American people". FFS. Do you think legacies and the varsity blues was started by "nice American people". FFS
My parents were uneducated Asian immigrants. People, no matter their skin color, will use whatever means they can to give their kid a leg up. This type of thing is not limited to Asian immigrants. What a racist comment.
You are either a troll, ignorant, or self loathing.
Anonymous
10/13/2023 14:42
Subject: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges
Anonymous wrote:What? They knew he was going to drop out at some point. He doesn't need a college and colleges don't need a drop-out. Win-win.
you are giving AOs too much credit .. lol
if I was AO, I would think this kid has potential to be great and may bring donation later even as a drop out.
Anonymous
10/13/2023 14:40
Subject: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s his dad who should be admitted lol
So tired of all the lies
Surely his google dad has nothing to do with his job or his startup yeah sure!
And people defending him on fb college groups?
Soviet emigres claiming their kids are first Gen, among others
It’s the same crowd, people from tiger cultures (not only Asian) who stop at nothing to give their kids a leg up… coming to america and lying… well guess what not all Americans are gullible
I am an immigrant myself and believe me I’ve seen people playing the game!
People: "Successful parents should make their children study and work hard to earn their place, not be trust fund babies."
Asian parents: "OK".
People: "No, not like that."
You think dad (an non-native-English-speaking immigrant, BTW) took time off of his high-level job to take his kid's school tests and APs and SATs and create is startup software and business?
You think that asking for colleges to publish their admissions criteria is a scam?
This kid went on live TV with more poise than anyone here. He laid out the facts and asked similar for colleges to tell students how they decide admissions. He didn't demand entry or claim racism.
His objective independently-verified credentials, from multiple organizations, from the school district to College Board to Google to the free market, are better than anyone's here. But you invent reasons to hate him because of your inferiority complex.
The kid is an objectively good student, no doubt
However he would have NEVER been able to do two things: create a startup and get a job at Google
I am an immigrant also, and I know very well to what lengths immigrant parents go to give their kids a leg up. They don’t stop at pretty much anything if they can get away with it.
I feel bad for nice American people who think everyone is as honest and ethical as themselves
It is a badge of honor in some cultures (including mine, unfortunately) to take advantage of the trust
Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg both lied about their startups, I guess? Oh wait, you meant to say only immigrants lie. Maybe you get that impression from your own family tradition?
Were they sophomores in HS when they created them?
I never said ONLY immigrants lie.
And personal attacks are a sign of losing an argument
Anonymous
10/13/2023 14:38
Subject: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges
Anonymous wrote:Having this small bit of failure will probably help someone like this longer term. Good luck to him at Google. They probably have a program that will help him pay to get a degree too.
His dad will make sure he knows about it, too
Anonymous
10/13/2023 14:37
Subject: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
UC State colleges are funded by State taxes. It is hard to take tax money from poor / unsuccessful communities and spend it on wealthy / successful communities. In some ways this system is successful. In other ways this system is a failure.
One can argue the other way… why take money from wealthy/successful communities and spend it on poor/unsuccessful communities? Wait, that is exactly what California is all about! 😎
My family came to the USA because of opportunity hoarding back home. The same classes of people who keep you down no matter how hard you work.
There is opportunity hoarding in the US all right, and it’s not only whites who do it.
Curios what country you are from though
Anonymous
10/13/2023 14:35
Subject: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Yes, he was judged against his peers and penalized for going to a high performing school. The same thing happens across the country.
Unfortunately, we don't have a uniform system of grading or even curriculum in this country--not even at the state level. Even with standardized tests, how does a school compare students in relation to the general population?
The system doesn't have to be perfect. Holistic admissions is good. However, why do they need to directly pit students from one high school against each other? Why not evaluate each student according to their own merits?
The 5 UCs this kid applied to cannot give him a slot given his accomplishments? That is pretty messed up. I understand not being accepted to the other schools he applied to. They are private or another state’s flagship. But when a high achieving California student cannot get a slot in his own state school system (except for campuses where noone wants to attend) then there clearly is a problem.
Maybe they are just tired of people with fake startups run by their parents?
Anonymous
10/13/2023 14:33
Subject: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s his dad who should be admitted lol
So tired of all the lies
Surely his google dad has nothing to do with his job or his startup yeah sure!
And people defending him on fb college groups?
Soviet emigres claiming their kids are first Gen, among others
It’s the same crowd, people from tiger cultures (not only Asian) who stop at nothing to give their kids a leg up… coming to america and lying… well guess what not all Americans are gullible
I am an immigrant myself and believe me I’ve seen people playing the game!
People: "Successful parents should make their children study and work hard to earn their place, not be trust fund babies."
Asian parents: "OK".
People: "No, not like that."
You think dad (an non-native-English-speaking immigrant, BTW) took time off of his high-level job to take his kid's school tests and APs and SATs and create is startup software and business?
You think that asking for colleges to publish their admissions criteria is a scam?
This kid went on live TV with more poise than anyone here. He laid out the facts and asked similar for colleges to tell students how they decide admissions. He didn't demand entry or claim racism.
His objective independently-verified credentials, from multiple organizations, from the school district to College Board to Google to the free market, are better than anyone's here. But you invent reasons to hate him because of your inferiority complex.
The kid is an objectively good student, no doubt
However he would have NEVER been able to do two things: create a startup and get a job at Google
I am an immigrant also, and I know very well to what lengths immigrant parents go to give their kids a leg up. They don’t stop at pretty much anything if they can get away with it.
I feel bad for nice American people who think everyone is as honest and ethical as themselves
It is a badge of honor in some cultures (including mine, unfortunately) to take advantage of the trust
Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg both lied about their startups, I guess? Oh wait, you meant to say only immigrants lie. Maybe you get that impression from your own family tradition?
Anonymous
10/13/2023 14:31
Subject: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s his dad who should be admitted lol
So tired of all the lies
Surely his google dad has nothing to do with his job or his startup yeah sure!
And people defending him on fb college groups?
Soviet emigres claiming their kids are first Gen, among others
It’s the same crowd, people from tiger cultures (not only Asian) who stop at nothing to give their kids a leg up… coming to america and lying… well guess what not all Americans are gullible
I am an immigrant myself and believe me I’ve seen people playing the game!
Oh God, let's stop involved parents and only admit single parent urms
We need to stop parent accomplishments listed as kids’ ones
There is an ad placed in the local moms group by a person of a certain descent (not Asian btw) that openly states he can do college counseling including creation of the kid’s own project/org for admission purposes
I don’t know what happened in this particular case, but I like to think that colleges started seeing through all this.
Accept normal kids who are great students, have high test scores, and have some interests outside of academics.
The crazy arms race for college admissions needs to stop
Anonymous
10/13/2023 14:25
Subject: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Again, switch his skin color to black and see what would happen.
Again, UC is race blind.
This is a joke. Race can be proxied in many different ways like in the recent TJ reform. You think people are that stupid?
You are really a non-nuanced and reactive thinker. Yes, race can be proxied but the UC system admits the top 9% of each school. The kid attended a wealthy, high-performing suburban school. Kids at his school don't benefit from racial proxies. The UCs didn't pass over applicants in his school for another school with lower-performing students. They passed over him and admitted the higher performing kids (based on GPA and rigor), which are predominantly Aisan. That is the system that CA adopted. Texas has the same system but admits more OOS students, especially UT Austin, and doesn't have an exploding college-age population compared to Texas.
I mean they can tell you're an Asian from your last name. It's not that hard.
So you are arguing that he was in the top 9% of the class and skipped over because of his Asian last name? The UCs choose one of the non-Asian students ( 10% Hispanic/30% white) at his school or one of the 9% of economically disadvantaged kids?
Okay
Racists are not necessarily idiots. And practicing racial discrimination doesn't necessarily mean they would accept zero Asians. Compare his credentials with kids of different skin colors and we'll know whether there was a racial discrimination. That's why it's important to have more transparency: why he was denied and why other people were accepted.
Well said.
Agreed!
Stop agreeing with yourself.
what kind of loser you are!
Anonymous
10/13/2023 14:22
Subject: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s his dad who should be admitted lol
So tired of all the lies
Surely his google dad has nothing to do with his job or his startup yeah sure!
And people defending him on fb college groups?
Soviet emigres claiming their kids are first Gen, among others
It’s the same crowd, people from tiger cultures (not only Asian) who stop at nothing to give their kids a leg up… coming to america and lying… well guess what not all Americans are gullible
I am an immigrant myself and believe me I’ve seen people playing the game!
People: "Successful parents should make their children study and work hard to earn their place, not be trust fund babies."
Asian parents: "OK".
People: "No, not like that."
You think dad (an non-native-English-speaking immigrant, BTW) took time off of his high-level job to take his kid's school tests and APs and SATs and create is startup software and business?
You think that asking for colleges to publish their admissions criteria is a scam?
This kid went on live TV with more poise than anyone here. He laid out the facts and asked similar for colleges to tell students how they decide admissions. He didn't demand entry or claim racism.
His objective independently-verified credentials, from multiple organizations, from the school district to College Board to Google to the free market, are better than anyone's here. But you invent reasons to hate him because of your inferiority complex.
The kid is an objectively good student, no doubt
However he would have NEVER been able to do two things: create a startup and get a job at Google
I am an immigrant also, and I know very well to what lengths immigrant parents go to give their kids a leg up. They don’t stop at pretty much anything if they can get away with it.
I feel bad for nice American people who think everyone is as honest and ethical as themselves
It is a badge of honor in some cultures (including mine, unfortunately) to take advantage of the trust