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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

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Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

So BASIS pulls from all these areas and STILL has only 7% overall "at risk" for their total population. Why is that? This just proves the self-selection point.

8%.

Janney has less than 1% at risk. Why don’t you go picket them?

Because they aren't claiming that it's the result of "100% pure lottery!!!!!". Nor do they refuse to backfill.

They won’t let in out of bounds!!!! Bus the kids in now!!!!

I guess it's because I feel like Janney is what it is, it's not trying to convince people it's anything other than a vast-majority-high-income school that performs as expected for its demographics. Unlike BASIS which wants to claim "100% pure lottery" (which is itself disingenuous when sibling preference and the Equitable Action preference at other schools skews things), and then pretend that their policies and poor retention don't have any impact on their demographics. And then likes to compare to schools with different policies and different demographics and claim victory without acknowledging those differences. Rigor!

I’ll say the quiet part out loud, demographics/SES play a large factor in student success and since we are UMC but are unwilling to be house poor and move inbounds for an Upper NW school, we opted for BASIS which has similar demographics. We understand that our child would do well in any school, and “rigor” is just another term associated with higher SES.

Schools with high UMC kids should be showing at least 90% of the student body as achieving +5s. I'm really irritated by the fact that +5 percentages aren't broken out. What is the point of this??

Apparently it will be published next week.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

So BASIS pulls from all these areas and STILL has only 7% overall "at risk" for their total population. Why is that? This just proves the self-selection point.

8%.

Janney has less than 1% at risk. Why don’t you go picket them?

Because they aren't claiming that it's the result of "100% pure lottery!!!!!". Nor do they refuse to backfill.

They won’t let in out of bounds!!!! Bus the kids in now!!!!

I guess it's because I feel like Janney is what it is, it's not trying to convince people it's anything other than a vast-majority-high-income school that performs as expected for its demographics. Unlike BASIS which wants to claim "100% pure lottery" (which is itself disingenuous when sibling preference and the Equitable Action preference at other schools skews things), and then pretend that their policies and poor retention don't have any impact on their demographics. And then likes to compare to schools with different policies and different demographics and claim victory without acknowledging those differences. Rigor!

I’ll say the quiet part out loud, demographics/SES play a large factor in student success and since we are UMC but are unwilling to be house poor and move inbounds for an Upper NW school, we opted for BASIS which has similar demographics. We understand that our child would do well in any school, and “rigor” is just another term associated with higher SES.

Schools with high UMC kids should be showing at least 90% of the student body as achieving +5s. I'm really irritated by the fact that +5 percentages aren't broken out. What is the point of this??

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Anonymous wrote:Basis has good Parcc test scores. Deal has good Parcc test scores. It probably in both cases has more to do with the underlying students and less to do with the school.

Not true because if the kids are not learning what they need to know each year, then the PARCC scores will go down. What you think scores will continue to be good if the teachers suck, do nothing, and barely teach? FFS give the teachers some credit.

No I’m not a teacher but a parent and no kids at either school

Yes? Most UMC people will supplement so they're kids aren't learning from the school anyway.

Anonymous wrote:Basis has good Parcc test scores. Deal has good Parcc test scores. It probably in both cases has more to do with the underlying students and less to do with the school.

Not true because if the kids are not learning what they need to know each year, then the PARCC scores will go down. What you think scores will continue to be good if the teachers suck, do nothing, and barely teach? FFS give the teachers some credit.

No I’m not a teacher but a parent and no kids at either school

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Anonymous wrote:Per PP's helpful analysis of the top schools in DC for ELA and Math, it looks like Deal academically comes out on top for middle school. I guess the fights, drugs and other dysfunction I hear about on DCUM isn't affecting kids academically? I know that came across sounding snarky, but it's not intended to. I'm a parent with children IB for Deal (in the future) that has concerns when reading DCUM, but these PARCC results seem to tell another story.

+1, Deal looks good and performance is really not different than BASIS

That is incorrect.

You have to look at scores after kids have been at Basis and Deal for a few years. Those show that Basis outperforms Deal and every other school in DC:

8th grade

ELA

Basis 91.56
Deal 77.63
Latin 74.73

Math

Basis 63.85
Deal 61.72
Latin 44.21

In fact, since Basis continues through high school, Basis' scores go even higher and are roughly comparable with Walls (a selective school), outperforming every other school in DC:

High school

ELA

Walls 94.07
Basis 92.06
Latin 70.71
J-R 57.54

Math

Walls 67.44
Basis 66.12
Latin 30.47
J-R 25.00

Basis has good Parcc test scores. Deal has good Parcc test scores. It probably in both cases has more to do with the underlying students and less to do with the school.

This long thread is tiring. I don’t give a s*hit about income and SES or at risk.

All I care is the majority of kids are on or above grade level at the school (4,5 on PARCC) so that the teacher can teach grade level content and not dumb down the curriculum. Then there is some bandwidth to help those just below and those above.

Huge levels of different academic achievement in a classroom and forget about any effective differentiation. The focus and pressure will be the bottom. This is in elementary. In middle school, absolutely no differentiation anywhere. That’s what tracking is for but you know we can’t have that with all subjects in DC.

In the day to day classroom, what matters is the percentage of low performing kids (at risk or not) there are. If numbers are high, then forget about any focus on anyone else or your kid will be on screens as a substitute.

That’s the bottom line folks.

People on here use at risk to justify poor academic achievement at their school. I could care less. If you don’t have an at risk kid or low performing kid, you want to kid to be at a high performing school for them to reach their full potential. The end.

Anonymous wrote:For the record, BASIS parents spend not a moment thinking about any of this. We don't care if it is 7% or 10% or whatever. BASIS doesn't actually care about PARCC. Whereas our old school spent weeks preparing and making it a big thing BASIS kids view it as a week off from grades and tests that count. You all spend WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more time thinking about BASIS than we do. It's mostly funny. And a little sad.

I am a BASIS parent, and I care how they do on the PARCC. It's a good measure of how much bullsh*t they're spinning.

Is the data actually out yet re: how many students scored 4+ on the PARCC? For example, how did Janney do in 3rd, 4th and 5th?

For the record, BASIS parents spend not a moment thinking about any of this. We don't care if it is 7% or 10% or whatever. BASIS doesn't actually care about PARCC. Whereas our old school spent weeks preparing and making it a big thing BASIS kids view it as a week off from grades and tests that count. You all spend WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more time thinking about BASIS than we do. It's mostly funny. And a little sad.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

So BASIS pulls from all these areas and STILL has only 7% overall "at risk" for their total population. Why is that? This just proves the self-selection point.

8%.

Janney has less than 1% at risk. Why don’t you go picket them?

Because they aren't claiming that it's the result of "100% pure lottery!!!!!". Nor do they refuse to backfill.

They won’t let in out of bounds!!!! Bus the kids in now!!!!

I guess it's because I feel like Janney is what it is, it's not trying to convince people it's anything other than a vast-majority-high-income school that performs as expected for its demographics. Unlike BASIS which wants to claim "100% pure lottery" (which is itself disingenuous when sibling preference and the Equitable Action preference at other schools skews things), and then pretend that their policies and poor retention don't have any impact on their demographics. And then likes to compare to schools with different policies and different demographics and claim victory without acknowledging those differences. Rigor!

Last 4 pages of this thread are delusional folks arguing there's no way to know whether Janney is a wealthy area, or, in the alternative, whether there's a super secret population of low SES who live there but are sending their kids to Janney in disproportionate #s.

You people gaslight all day long.

Dude, no. Nobody's trying to convince you that Janney and Deal aren't drawing primarly from wealthy areas. But it's more complicated than that for Deal. Janney's in-boundary percentage is 93.8, it's in-boundary participation rate is 94.7, and its boundary is quite small. Deal has a much bigger boundary, and its IB percentage and IB participation rate are much lower. Deal draws 22% of its students from outside its own boundary. So it's a more complicated analysis. So it's maybe true that the actual population attending Deal (as distinct from the population living IB for deal) is higher or lower-income than the actual population attending BASIS. I don't know, probably? It's hard to pin that down with the data we have.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

So BASIS pulls from all these areas and STILL has only 7% overall "at risk" for their total population. Why is that? This just proves the self-selection point.

8%.

Janney has less than 1% at risk. Why don’t you go picket them?

Because they aren't claiming that it's the result of "100% pure lottery!!!!!". Nor do they refuse to backfill.

They won’t let in out of bounds!!!! Bus the kids in now!!!!

I guess it's because I feel like Janney is what it is, it's not trying to convince people it's anything other than a vast-majority-high-income school that performs as expected for its demographics. Unlike BASIS which wants to claim "100% pure lottery" (which is itself disingenuous when sibling preference and the Equitable Action preference at other schools skews things), and then pretend that their policies and poor retention don't have any impact on their demographics. And then likes to compare to schools with different policies and different demographics and claim victory without acknowledging those differences. Rigor!

Last 4 pages of this thread are delusional folks arguing there's no way to know whether Janney is a wealthy area, or, in the alternative, whether there's a super secret population of low SES who live there but are sending their kids to Janney in disproportionate #s.

You people gaslight all day long.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

So BASIS pulls from all these areas and STILL has only 7% overall "at risk" for their total population. Why is that? This just proves the self-selection point.

8%.

Janney has less than 1% at risk. Why don’t you go picket them?

Because they aren't claiming that it's the result of "100% pure lottery!!!!!". Nor do they refuse to backfill.

Weird. That 1% is at an ES that is in the most expensive real estate, highest household income in the city. Of course if all of these gaslighting posters are to be believed then that's just a coincidence because there's just no way to know if the moneyed folks IB for Janney send their kids there...

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

So BASIS pulls from all these areas and STILL has only 7% overall "at risk" for their total population. Why is that? This just proves the self-selection point.

8%.

Janney has less than 1% at risk. Why don’t you go picket them?

Because they aren't claiming that it's the result of "100% pure lottery!!!!!". Nor do they refuse to backfill.

They won’t let in out of bounds!!!! Bus the kids in now!!!!

I guess it's because I feel like Janney is what it is, it's not trying to convince people it's anything other than a vast-majority-high-income school that performs as expected for its demographics. Unlike BASIS which wants to claim "100% pure lottery" (which is itself disingenuous when sibling preference and the Equitable Action preference at other schools skews things), and then pretend that their policies and poor retention don't have any impact on their demographics. And then likes to compare to schools with different policies and different demographics and claim victory without acknowledging those differences. Rigor!

I’ll say the quiet part out loud, demographics/SES play a large factor in student success and since we are UMC but are unwilling to be house poor and move inbounds for an Upper NW school, we opted for BASIS which has similar demographics. We understand that our child would do well in any school, and “rigor” is just another term associated with higher SES.

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Look at this DME data. It says there are 1471 students living in the Deal boundary who are of age to attend Deal. But only 1090 of them attend Deal. So you'd have to consider whether the 2561 kids who don't go to Deal are higher- or lower-income than the average for that group. Remembering that a lot of them probably go to private school, they may well be richer. On the other hand some go to CHEC, MacFarland, and EL Haynes which are not notorious rich-kid schools. So I dunno.

Then you'd have to estimate the income of Deal's OOB population, which is 22% of the school so you can't just wave it away without analysis. It's hard to know their income-- there are some from very low-income areas, but many from Brookland and other mixed-income areas such as Bloomingdale and CHEC's zone. So I think it's a hard question and we just don't know.

There are increasingly more and more moments on DCUM where liberal white folks in DC sound more and more like Trump election denial crazy folks. You just wrote two paragraphs to try and convince us that the kids IB at Deal and JR aren't higher SES than kids at other schools. That's insane.

No, that's not it at all. I'm attempting to explain to you that we don't have a good read on the income of the actual student body of Deal compared to the actual student body of BASIS. Not comparing just the kids IB for Deal, comparing all the kids who attend Deal.

Right. So you have no idea what you are talking about.

Do you even have kids in DC? You sound like a single millennial Brookings intern.

Why are you stooping to insulting people? They posted a valid point and I say this as a parent of a kid at another city wide school.

NP. There was no valid point. PP #1 admitted that she had insufficient data to make conclusions, even though she had earlier made conclusions. PP #2 called that out.

I'm not sure what conclusion you think I made. There are many people posting on this thread. My conclusion is that it's difficult to determine the income of Deal and BASIS students, for the reasons I listed, even though Deal is located in a high-SES area.