Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 12:16     Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
My DH is a fed who occasionally has to be read in to something at an even higher level than his clearance, and the hooos he has to go through are multi-layered, like being physically in a SCIF.

It is absolutely astonishing to me that a trove of documents like this could be accessible to some untrained low level rando who works in IT. The layers of terrible planing here are terrifying.


We are so f*^ked.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 12:15     Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
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Anonymous wrote:A quick question to the lawyers. The article contains video interview of some minor, teenager from the same Discord channel.

Can they be charged as well? As accomplices?


If they were distributing it, yes.
It doesn't seem like they were distributing it. But they were witnesses to the leaks, right?


They likely distributed it to WaPo etc this week though. However third party re-distribution opens up a can of worms.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 12:14     Subject: Re:Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
The kid will be charged. But, things need to change. They need to go up the chain of command and see what kind of supervision was in place.

If a weapon is lost in an Army unit. Everything stops in the unit until it is found. If it is not found, heads roll.
If a soldier dies in a training accident. Head roll.

If a ship runs aground, the Captain is fired.

What rules were in place to prevent this leak other than trust in the Airman?

There is a reason car insurance is more expensive for people under 25. There is a reason car rental agencies restrict rentals to young people.

This is not a defense of what the Airman did. It is clear, though, that this is risky business to let a 21 year old --or even anyone--have access to this span of information.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 12:08     Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:A quick question to the lawyers. The article contains video interview of some minor, teenager from the same Discord channel.

Can they be charged as well? As accomplices?


If they were distributing it, yes.
It doesn't seem like they were distributing it. But they were witnesses to the leaks, right?


That's not a crime.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 12:00     Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A quick question to the lawyers. The article contains video interview of some minor, teenager from the same Discord channel.

Can they be charged as well? As accomplices?


If they were distributing it, yes.
It doesn't seem like they were distributing it. But they were witnesses to the leaks, right?
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 11:55     Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
Anonymous wrote:A quick question to the lawyers. The article contains video interview of some minor, teenager from the same Discord channel.

Can they be charged as well? As accomplices?


If they were distributing it, yes.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 11:53     Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
Huge respect to WashPost for breaking this story.
Well described how it happened.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/04/12/discord-leaked-documents
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 11:51     Subject: Re:Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
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Later, someone who appeared to be Airman Teixeira drove onto the property in a red pickup truck.

When Times reporters approached the house again, the truck was parked in the driveway. Airman Teixeira’s mother and a man were standing outside in the driveway.

When asked if Airman Teixeira was there and willing to speak, the man said: “He needs to get an attorney if things are flowing the way they are going right now. The Feds will be around soon, I’m sure.”


The NYT found this guy before the feds did? Wonder if FBI agents refused to investigate the case?


And what does that tell you instinctively?


I'm hoping that the FBI hadn't moved on the guy yet because they'd had him under surveillance???? They aren't really as incompetent as this NYT story make them appear, right??? Right???




I just watched the Boston Bombing doc on Netflix. The FBI had images of the suspects fairly quickly and were determining the identity when someone leaked the images. I got the sense it was BPD, but idk. Anyways, the reason the FBI and DOJ didn't want to release them was b/c they didn't want to alert the bombers that they were on to them. Ultimately, FBI had to get out ahead of the leak, and then there was a lot of death and destruction that followed when they tried to escape. Not to mention the bombers' friends trying to destroy evidence once they recognized who it was.



Revealing that the government has been lying about its involvement in Ukraine? Sounds like whistleblowing.


Where's the big lie?

We've been transparent on equipment being transferred. As for other "involvement" the leak said there were 50 US soldiers in Ukraine. 50. Whoopie doo. Four dozen. Like we're supposed to believe that 50 American soldiers are going to take on 200,000 Russian soldiers? The role of those Americans is no doubt to observe, advise and provide training where needed, pretty standard kind of stuff.

That's a FAR cry from the stupid and ridiculous lies your Russian friends have been telling, that they are "fighting NATO troops" and claims that there were no Ukrainian troops at the front, all black GIs from America and other horsecrap.

You say lie? That's pretty ridiculous.


Their role is most likely Embassy security.


+1. It's never been a secret that there are 50 marines protecting the embassy. It was announced when we reopened it after the invasion.


We have special forces in Ukraine training troops


Technically, we have troops who are training Ukrainians to use the military equipment that the United States has made available. As the US has ramped up, the sophistication of the defensive weapons being provided, that need for ongoing training has also increased. None of this is a secret if one had been paying attention all along, and it certainly nothing like Vietnam style military advisors.

I think it's important to really hone in on these nuances because you have sitting congressional representatives pretending that these files are some sort of smoking gun for a genuine United States military presence on the ground in Ukraine, and that simply does not exist.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 11:46     Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
A quick question to the lawyers. The article contains video interview of some minor, teenager from the same Discord channel.

Can they be charged as well? As accomplices?
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 11:24     Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
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Anonymous wrote:MAGA extremist, no matter how much folks here want to claim he's a"libertarian"


And if it’s shown he’s not a MAGA extremist, the narrative will be spun that the leak was a good thing, just watch.

Let’s stop with the MAGA vs non MAGA. We should all be outraged that this kid felt such a need to be popular that he leaked top secret documents and put US source and intel at risk. It’s a HUGE problem with youth feeling they deserve their 15 min of fame, that being a decent person isn’t enough.


This is true. But, it does not negate the seriousness of the action.

There are so many things that are coming to the surface here:

1. The lack of serious vetting.
2. Accessibility to so many documents.
3. Possible lack of training and instruction on the seriousness of this action by his superiors--all the way up the chain to the SecDef. SecDefm seems more concerned with training on sexual assault, pronouns, and diversity than on the mission.

And, then we have the issue of what is revealed:

1. Are the documents accurate?
2. Is our government lying to us?

And, then, the social issues with the young man sharing this information.

All of this is troubling.
Sadly, and rightly, the Airman will pay a heavy price.

3. Is BS. They get lots of training on classification. The kid just decided he wanted to “be cool”


It’s the same thing that happen with Snowden. This guy will go to prison and the security services will pat themselves on the back. The same system will remain in place and there. Will be more leaks. Nothing changes in a bureaucracy till some high level people loss their jobs.

Let’s face it. The only reason this was discovered was because it was released on the web. This guy and like Snowden wanted to show the world. There are most likely other with the same access who are doing it for money right now. They will not be discovered.


I’m wondering if there’s some money involved here though. I just have a hard time believing that all this is, is a bored 20 year old.


Then again—looks like we’ve got a bored former president doing basically the same stuff, just at his private beach club.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 11:21     Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
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Anonymous wrote:MAGA extremist, no matter how much folks here want to claim he's a"libertarian"


And if it’s shown he’s not a MAGA extremist, the narrative will be spun that the leak was a good thing, just watch.

Let’s stop with the MAGA vs non MAGA. We should all be outraged that this kid felt such a need to be popular that he leaked top secret documents and put US source and intel at risk. It’s a HUGE problem with youth feeling they deserve their 15 min of fame, that being a decent person isn’t enough.


Right, this tool is no different than any other pursed-lip, selfie-taking wanna-be "influencer." "Look at me!" "Listen to me!" Pay attention to me!" "

And, btw, he's a total MAGA: loves guns; hates "the government" but likes soldier-man cos-play; worried about minorities.

Most MAGA/Trumpian of all: sees himself as a hero while selling out (potentially getting killed) the *actual* heroes on the ground, Ukraine's citizen soldiers (i.e., "David") fighting Putin's invading Russian forces ("Goliath.")
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 11:18     Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:MAGA extremist, no matter how much folks here want to claim he's a"libertarian"


And if it’s shown he’s not a MAGA extremist, the narrative will be spun that the leak was a good thing, just watch.

Let’s stop with the MAGA vs non MAGA. We should all be outraged that this kid felt such a need to be popular that he leaked top secret documents and put US source and intel at risk. It’s a HUGE problem with youth feeling they deserve their 15 min of fame, that being a decent person isn’t enough.


This is true. But, it does not negate the seriousness of the action.

There are so many things that are coming to the surface here:

1. The lack of serious vetting.
2. Accessibility to so many documents.
3. Possible lack of training and instruction on the seriousness of this action by his superiors--all the way up the chain to the SecDef. SecDefm seems more concerned with training on sexual assault, pronouns, and diversity than on the mission.

And, then we have the issue of what is revealed:

1. Are the documents accurate?
2. Is our government lying to us?

And, then, the social issues with the young man sharing this information.

All of this is troubling.
Sadly, and rightly, the Airman will pay a heavy price.

3. Is BS. They get lots of training on classification. The kid just decided he wanted to “be cool”


It’s the same thing that happen with Snowden. This guy will go to prison and the security services will pat themselves on the back. The same system will remain in place and there. Will be more leaks. Nothing changes in a bureaucracy till some high level people loss their jobs.

Let’s face it. The only reason this was discovered was because it was released on the web. This guy and like Snowden wanted to show the world. There are most likely other with the same access who are doing it for money right now. They will not be discovered. [/quote]

Yes, we should be especially worried about what we are NOT seeing that is being shared by others to foreign nations.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 11:17     Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
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Anonymous wrote:MAGA extremist, no matter how much folks here want to claim he's a"libertarian"


And if it’s shown he’s not a MAGA extremist, the narrative will be spun that the leak was a good thing, just watch.

Let’s stop with the MAGA vs non MAGA. We should all be outraged that this kid felt such a need to be popular that he leaked top secret documents and put US source and intel at risk. It’s a HUGE problem with youth feeling they deserve their 15 min of fame, that being a decent person isn’t enough.


This is true. But, it does not negate the seriousness of the action.

There are so many things that are coming to the surface here:

1. The lack of serious vetting.
2. Accessibility to so many documents.
3. Possible lack of training and instruction on the seriousness of this action by his superiors--all the way up the chain to the SecDef. SecDefm seems more concerned with training on sexual assault, pronouns, and diversity than on the mission.

And, then we have the issue of what is revealed:

1. Are the documents accurate?
2. Is our government lying to us?

And, then, the social issues with the young man sharing this information.

All of this is troubling.
Sadly, and rightly, the Airman will pay a heavy price.

3. Is BS. They get lots of training on classification. The kid just decided he wanted to “be cool”


It’s the same thing that happen with Snowden. This guy will go to prison and the security services will pat themselves on the back. The same system will remain in place and there. Will be more leaks. Nothing changes in a bureaucracy till some high level people loss their jobs.

Let’s face it. The only reason this was discovered was because it was released on the web. This guy and like Snowden wanted to show the world. There are most likely other with the same access who are doing it for money right now. They will not be discovered.


I’m wondering if there’s some money involved here though. I just have a hard time believing that all this is, is a bored 20 year old.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 11:13     Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:MAGA extremist, no matter how much folks here want to claim he's a"libertarian"


And if it’s shown he’s not a MAGA extremist, the narrative will be spun that the leak was a good thing, just watch.

Let’s stop with the MAGA vs non MAGA. We should all be outraged that this kid felt such a need to be popular that he leaked top secret documents and put US source and intel at risk. It’s a HUGE problem with youth feeling they deserve their 15 min of fame, that being a decent person isn’t enough.


This is true. But, it does not negate the seriousness of the action.

There are so many things that are coming to the surface here:

1. The lack of serious vetting.
2. Accessibility to so many documents.
3. Possible lack of training and instruction on the seriousness of this action by his superiors--all the way up the chain to the SecDef. SecDefm seems more concerned with training on sexual assault, pronouns, and diversity than on the mission.

And, then we have the issue of what is revealed:

1. Are the documents accurate?
2. Is our government lying to us?

And, then, the social issues with the young man sharing this information.

All of this is troubling.
Sadly, and rightly, the Airman will pay a heavy price.

3. Is BS. They get lots of training on classification. The kid just decided he wanted to “be cool”


It’s the same thing that happen with Snowden. This guy will go to prison and the security services will pat themselves on the back. The same system will remain in place and there. Will be more leaks. Nothing changes in a bureaucracy till some high level people loss their jobs.

Let’s face it. The only reason this was discovered was because it was released on the web. This guy and like Snowden wanted to show the world. There are most likely other with the same access who are doing it for money right now. They will not be discovered.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 11:12     Subject: Re:Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
This person sums it up. She has a short thread on her twitter feed:


https://twitter.com/mcadoogordon

Basically:
Unlimited access by a young IT person who probably had a boring job with too much time on his hands and insufficient supervision.

She said we expect this to be "plugged" by oaths, etc. Clearly that did not work here.