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Anonymous wrote:Btw, it's abundantly clear what many of you want is for no elected official to ever criticize police or limit their power.

There is a reason why we have elected officials and don't let law enforcement institutions govern themselves - because we are not a police state. If you want to live in a police state, might I suggest Russia?

limiting police power is not a county function. it is a state function. so yes, Jawando overreaches

The Council can and has passed bills governing MCPD, it is well within their powers.

Governing MCPD in terms of policy is one thing. Not actual police powers, which are state domain. Vehicle laws are state, and state law preempts what Jawando is trying to do. Don't be surprised if the State Attorney General gets involved in this.

Nah. The bill doesn't affect state law. It just affects police practices.

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That’s great! It’s nice to see a council member acknowledge good work by county employees.

Any from the public safety committee yet?

Based on the anonymous posts on DCUM, one would believe that all police officers are emotionally needy and in constant need of external validation and affirmation.

I’m a really, really good teacher. If I had to attend every faculty meeting and listen to how bad I am, I’d probably get upset. If I had restriction after restriction placed on me because my admin assumed I’m bad, I’d probably get upset.

You think “emotionally needy.” I think “abused.” I suppose it’s all a matter of perspective.

Which meetings are cops attending where they are being told how bad they are? I watch the Council meetings and critical comments of police are few and far between, much more often councilmembers thank police for the work they do (yes I actually watch them, unlike you apparently), not to mention that they are in no way analogous to faculty meetings. If you're saying bad press about police harassing, abusing and posting about killing Black people is bad for morale, then I agree but that's on the police.

My comparison stands. If people who are supposed to be in either a supervisory or support role (the school admin or the council) default to “you are bad,” then the hard-working employee (teacher or police officer) is going to feel discouraged. And where do these MCPD criticisms come from? Please just search “police” on either Mink or Jawando’s social media. You can’t paint those councilmembers as anything other than vehemently anti-police, and let’s not forget the anti-police voices in the former council. I’ve had anti-teacher administrators before. It’s dreadful working for people you know don’t support you, and won’t support you.

I was thrilled to see the positive post above from Natali Fani-Gonzalez. It didn’t take long for it to become “copaganda,” however, by a member of the Task Force. Even good work from our police must be criticized and condemned, it seems.

Surely police officers IRL aren't the snowflakes these posts are making them sound like?

I mean, I'm a fed, and I'm not obsessively monitoring the social media of anti-government-employee members of Congress. I just do the job I'm paid to do.

+1 honestly, if you feel "abused" because of some tweets nobody is forcing you to read (PP, comparing this to faculty meetings is preposterous, thanks for the laughs) I don't know what to tell you. I have been abused at work. This is not abuse.

You can laugh all you want. I’m usually not a fan of treating others poorly, nor do I like it when other people treat me poorly. If you’re comfortable with that type of climate, then I can see why none of this bothers you.

Meanwhile, I’ll be over here trying to make the world just a little bit better. If that means expecting my councilmembers to behave respectfully (perhaps by not referring to police as “thugs” and “goons” on social media), then perhaps my expectations and standards are too high.

As for my comparison to poor school administrators, it still stands. Be grateful you haven’t had that type of hostility flung your way. I have, so I know what it feels like. I left that job, just like so many of our officers are leaving theirs.

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I do watch them… regularly. The ones I don’t catch live I watch on YouTube. I don’t see this groundswell of support from the council. Care to point out a couple of examples?

As for whether or not police get to feel demoralized by the council’s lack of support, that isn’t for you to decide. They get to decide that, and the overwhelming departures and lack of recruitment for the past couple of years is pretty telling.

Again: asking for basic human decency from two council members is NOT the same as wanting a police state. If your vision is that clouded, we are done here.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, it's abundantly clear what many of you want is for no elected official to ever criticize police or limit their power.

There is a reason why we have elected officials and don't let law enforcement institutions govern themselves - because we are not a police state. If you want to live in a police state, might I suggest Russia?

limiting police power is not a county function. it is a state function. so yes, Jawando overreaches

The Council can and has passed bills governing MCPD, it is well within their powers.

Governing MCPD in terms of policy is one thing. Not actual police powers, which are state domain. Vehicle laws are state, and state law preempts what Jawando is trying to do. Don't be surprised if the State Attorney General gets involved in this.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, it's abundantly clear what many of you want is for no elected official to ever criticize police or limit their power.

There is a reason why we have elected officials and don't let law enforcement institutions govern themselves - because we are not a police state. If you want to live in a police state, might I suggest Russia?

limiting police power is not a county function. it is a state function. so yes, Jawando overreaches

The Council can and has passed bills governing MCPD, it is well within their powers.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, it's abundantly clear what many of you want is for no elected official to ever criticize police or limit their power.

There is a reason why we have elected officials and don't let law enforcement institutions govern themselves - because we are not a police state. If you want to live in a police state, might I suggest Russia?

limiting police power is not a county function. it is a state function. so yes, Jawando overreaches

Anonymous wrote:Btw, it's abundantly clear what many of you want is for no elected official to ever criticize police or limit their power.

There is a reason why we have elected officials and don't let law enforcement institutions govern themselves - because we are not a police state. If you want to live in a police state, might I suggest Russia?

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, it's abundantly clear what many of you want is for no elected official to ever criticize police or limit their power.

There is a reason why we have elected officials and don't let law enforcement institutions govern themselves - because we are not a police state. If you want to live in a police state, might I suggest Russia?

Huh. I didn’t realize that this is an either / or. Wishing that the council could be just *a bit supportive* of county employees is not akin to wishing for a police state. A bit of hyperbole there.

It’s one thing to criticize wrongdoing when it actually occurs. It’s another to assume wrongdoing. Jawando crosses this line.

Lol calling tweets abuse is hyperbole and that is why it is clear you desperately want us to live in a police state.

Maybe you could sit down and actually watch some Council sessions, which you obviously haven't bothered to do. To say the Council is not even a little supportive of police is either lies or ignorance. My guess is a combo of the two.

I do watch them… regularly. The ones I don’t catch live I watch on YouTube. I don’t see this groundswell of support from the council. Care to point out a couple of examples?

As for whether or not police get to feel demoralized by the council’s lack of support, that isn’t for you to decide. They get to decide that, and the overwhelming departures and lack of recruitment for the past couple of years is pretty telling.

Again: asking for basic human decency from two council members is NOT the same as wanting a police state. If your vision is that clouded, we are done here.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, it's abundantly clear what many of you want is for no elected official to ever criticize police or limit their power.

There is a reason why we have elected officials and don't let law enforcement institutions govern themselves - because we are not a police state. If you want to live in a police state, might I suggest Russia?

Huh. I didn’t realize that this is an either / or. Wishing that the council could be just *a bit supportive* of county employees is not akin to wishing for a police state. A bit of hyperbole there.

It’s one thing to criticize wrongdoing when it actually occurs. It’s another to assume wrongdoing. Jawando crosses this line.

Lol calling tweets abuse is hyperbole and that is why it is clear you desperately want us to live in a police state.

Maybe you could sit down and actually watch some Council sessions, which you obviously haven't bothered to do. To say the Council is not even a little supportive of police is either lies or ignorance. My guess is a combo of the two.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, it's abundantly clear what many of you want is for no elected official to ever criticize police or limit their power.

There is a reason why we have elected officials and don't let law enforcement institutions govern themselves - because we are not a police state. If you want to live in a police state, might I suggest Russia?

Huh. I didn’t realize that this is an either / or. Wishing that the council could be just *a bit supportive* of county employees is not akin to wishing for a police state. A bit of hyperbole there.

It’s one thing to criticize wrongdoing when it actually occurs. It’s another to assume wrongdoing. Jawando crosses this line.

Anonymous wrote:Btw, it's abundantly clear what many of you want is for no elected official to ever criticize police or limit their power.

There is a reason why we have elected officials and don't let law enforcement institutions govern themselves - because we are not a police state. If you want to live in a police state, might I suggest Russia?

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That’s great! It’s nice to see a council member acknowledge good work by county employees.

Any from the public safety committee yet?

Based on the anonymous posts on DCUM, one would believe that all police officers are emotionally needy and in constant need of external validation and affirmation.

I’m a really, really good teacher. If I had to attend every faculty meeting and listen to how bad I am, I’d probably get upset. If I had restriction after restriction placed on me because my admin assumed I’m bad, I’d probably get upset.

You think “emotionally needy.” I think “abused.” I suppose it’s all a matter of perspective.

Which meetings are cops attending where they are being told how bad they are? I watch the Council meetings and critical comments of police are few and far between, much more often councilmembers thank police for the work they do (yes I actually watch them, unlike you apparently), not to mention that they are in no way analogous to faculty meetings. If you're saying bad press about police harassing, abusing and posting about killing Black people is bad for morale, then I agree but that's on the police.

My comparison stands. If people who are supposed to be in either a supervisory or support role (the school admin or the council) default to “you are bad,” then the hard-working employee (teacher or police officer) is going to feel discouraged. And where do these MCPD criticisms come from? Please just search “police” on either Mink or Jawando’s social media. You can’t paint those councilmembers as anything other than vehemently anti-police, and let’s not forget the anti-police voices in the former council. I’ve had anti-teacher administrators before. It’s dreadful working for people you know don’t support you, and won’t support you.

I was thrilled to see the positive post above from Natali Fani-Gonzalez. It didn’t take long for it to become “copaganda,” however, by a member of the Task Force. Even good work from our police must be criticized and condemned, it seems.

Surely police officers IRL aren't the snowflakes these posts are making them sound like?

I mean, I'm a fed, and I'm not obsessively monitoring the social media of anti-government-employee members of Congress. I just do the job I'm paid to do.

+1 honestly, if you feel "abused" because of some tweets nobody is forcing you to read (PP, comparing this to faculty meetings is preposterous, thanks for the laughs) I don't know what to tell you. I have been abused at work. This is not abuse.

You can laugh all you want. I’m usually not a fan of treating others poorly, nor do I like it when other people treat me poorly. If you’re comfortable with that type of climate, then I can see why none of this bothers you.

Meanwhile, I’ll be over here trying to make the world just a little bit better. If that means expecting my councilmembers to behave respectfully (perhaps by not referring to police as “thugs” and “goons” on social media), then perhaps my expectations and standards are too high.

As for my comparison to poor school administrators, it still stands. Be grateful you haven’t had that type of hostility flung your way. I have, so I know what it feels like. I left that job, just like so many of our officers are leaving theirs.