Anonymous
Post 02/13/2023 14:28     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
The planes are real, the noise is real, the pollution might very well be real. The idea that you can somehow make all this go away if you complain hard enough is very very delusional.

-person who lives on the other side of the river
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2023 14:27     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If this was as big of a problem as this board makes it out to be, the homes is Palisades would simply not continuously sell for as much as they do. We recently moved away from the area. It was nothing compared to the helicopters you constantly hear on the Hill (where we lived previously), which was also fine. I don’t get this fixation.

Is it your contention that it doesn’t diminish the value of those homes?


So airports should be closed so you can increase your property value? Is that your contention?


I can’t think of a recent airport closure. But there have been rezonings and buy outs
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2023 14:24     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Anonymous wrote:So much negativity on this thread. I am the OP. I’m sorry for creating it. We live in Glen Echo now and are very happy fwiw. Hope you all have a nice life.


It’s very popular at least. It’s struck a nerve. Many people thinks the situation is absolutely overwhelming and unbearable but don’t want to speak up out of fear of the property values going down or not being able to resell
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2023 14:22     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
I agree re not instructive, but why is the Palisades doing worse using b) the integrated CDC-DOH disease rates (darker blue vs lighter blue or blue v white) compared to Cleveland Park/Woodley Park and even Georgetown (assuming that’s Georgetown East skewing the data based on population and that the same study concludes that the Woodley Park and Georgetown East are the healthiest DC neighborhoods on particulate pollution/health measures) on: stroke, copd and lung cancer? They’re equally wealthy, if anything the Palisades is more “rural”. Is it the Spring Valley factor? Or the flight path? Or neither? To me this is enough to invite further research knowing what we know must be happening w the PM 0.01 pollution under the flight path.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2023 14:14     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
So much negativity on this thread. I am the OP. I’m sorry for creating it. We live in Glen Echo now and are very happy fwiw. Hope you all have a nice life.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2023 14:02     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Living in a less than ideal, polluted location is not a death sentence. Yes, there is a higher chance one may have health issues but the probability of having thorn is small, so even if it doubles, it’s low anyways. Besides, you can offset that higher likelihood by adopting healthy behaviors in other area.

I live in the flight path and in hindsight I would not buy here again. However now here we are. We don’t have any health issues and have never heard of health issues from my neighbors. I also have never heard of asthma among my kids’ friends.

There was a report based on actual health issues (stroke, asthma, etc) among the DC residents and I didn’t see the neighborhoods under the flight path faring worse. The worst were low income areas in SE and SW, which don’t seem to be affected by airplane pollution. Somebody has been repeating that Georgetown East and Woodley Park do better but I think that doesn’t mean anything for us. It may very well due to other factors like an average younger population or who knows. We do have many older residents in the Palisades, not sure how that is in comparison with other neighborhoods.

People need to have some common sense. There are myriads of factors affecting one’s health. Pollution and noise are two. If you get very stressed about noise and/or pollution this area is not for you. High stress may be worse that whatever you are hearing or breathing.


To be fair, that report correlated PM 2.5 pollution and health outcomes which have the potential to doublemask the true situation. First because PM 2.5 doesn’t measure the ultra fine particulates and jet emission pollution and second because the health outcomes are intertwined with the access to healthcare. It was still odd that on stroke and COPD that area didn’t do as well as the neighboring equally expensive areas.


I think this is the figure comparing estimated vs actual pollution health effects:

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/5513e6f4-53ee-49b2-918d-e2a7d7b7b8d7/gh2283-fig-0005-m.jpg

Where do you see palisades does worse? Admittedly, I am not the best at interpreting these scientific articles but I am genuinely interested.

Source:

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2021GH000431

There are many more neighborhoods beside WP and GE not affected by the planes so again, I don’t take away anything with respect to aviation pollution from the fact they do better.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2023 13:54     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Double jeopardy there. The least gruesome negative outcome is from a direct golf ball hit.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2023 13:48     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Anonymous wrote:Living in a less than ideal, polluted location is not a death sentence. Yes, there is a higher chance one may have health issues but the probability of having thorn is small, so even if it doubles, it’s low anyways. Besides, you can offset that higher likelihood by adopting healthy behaviors in other area.

I live in the flight path and in hindsight I would not buy here again. However now here we are. We don’t have any health issues and have never heard of health issues from my neighbors. I also have never heard of asthma among my kids’ friends.

There was a report based on actual health issues (stroke, asthma, etc) among the DC residents and I didn’t see the neighborhoods under the flight path faring worse. The worst were low income areas in SE and SW, which don’t seem to be affected by airplane pollution. Somebody has been repeating that Georgetown East and Woodley Park do better but I think that doesn’t mean anything for us. It may very well due to other factors like an average younger population or who knows. We do have many older residents in the Palisades, not sure how that is in comparison with other neighborhoods.

People need to have some common sense. There are myriads of factors affecting one’s health. Pollution and noise are two. If you get very stressed about noise and/or pollution this area is not for you. High stress may be worse that whatever you are hearing or breathing.


To be fair, that report correlated PM 2.5 pollution and health outcomes which have the potential to doublemask the true situation. First because PM 2.5 doesn’t measure the ultra fine particulates and jet emission pollution and second because the health outcomes are intertwined with the access to healthcare. It was still odd that on stroke and COPD that area didn’t do as well as the neighboring equally expensive areas.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2023 13:35     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
“Rezoning” not “resining”
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2023 13:34     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For some comic relief, real life English satire about both sides of the coin in the pandemic house buying close to an airport.

Admittedly, amongst the excitement, I almost fell victim to the alluring lustre of the current property market and one of its many traps. I nearly got lumbered with a toxic wasteland and mutant children, but all for a fair price. [this last part on the flight path discount doesn’t apply to DC somehow]

Lesson learned.

Did anyone else notice the voracious influx of properties near or on a flight path that shot up for sale in the thick of the pandemic? Holy moly!

All rather logical, mind you. Anyone that has been wanting to flog a property on a hideous flight path has been gifted with a once in a lifetime opportunity. Selling those buggers to anyone with ample hearing is tough on any given day, so if you’re going to attempt to pull off the heist of the century, there’s certainly no better time to do it than when the entire aviation industry has gone tits-up [with the vast majority of planes grounded]!
Have I ever told you that I live in Hertfordshire, near Stansted Airport (but far enough away from the flight path to avoid having to cut my ears off)?
I have, but you never listen.
It’s a lovely part of the world; it provides pleasant rural, country Bumpkin living, but also an ease of access to the buzzing capital and the world of black boogers! It’s great.

https://www.propertyinvestmentproject.co.uk/blog/buying-a-house-on-a-flight-path/



Mate, why don't you go bugger off to some UK-centric thread? Why are you wasting your time here?


On the contrary, it’s not just humorous but very instructive. Those houses started on the high end and are now at 50% discount to the surrounding, not under the flight path areas, which is the future that awaits us. Unless we are willing to cop up the problem and work with the government to resolve it. Could be resining and buy out in extremis, or moving the flight path, or subsidies to retrofit the houses. It starts with measuring the dB and the pollution and disclosing. The UK article is about an area that gets about 1/3 of the airplane traffic of the Palisades.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2023 13:14     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Living in a less than ideal, polluted location is not a death sentence. Yes, there is a higher chance one may have health issues but the probability of having thorn is small, so even if it doubles, it’s low anyways. Besides, you can offset that higher likelihood by adopting healthy behaviors in other area.

I live in the flight path and in hindsight I would not buy here again. However now here we are. We don’t have any health issues and have never heard of health issues from my neighbors. I also have never heard of asthma among my kids’ friends.

There was a report based on actual health issues (stroke, asthma, etc) among the DC residents and I didn’t see the neighborhoods under the flight path faring worse. The worst were low income areas in SE and SW, which don’t seem to be affected by airplane pollution. Somebody has been repeating that Georgetown East and Woodley Park do better but I think that doesn’t mean anything for us. It may very well due to other factors like an average younger population or who knows. We do have many older residents in the Palisades, not sure how that is in comparison with other neighborhoods.

People need to have some common sense. There are myriads of factors affecting one’s health. Pollution and noise are two. If you get very stressed about noise and/or pollution this area is not for you. High stress may be worse that whatever you are hearing or breathing.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2023 12:37     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If this was as big of a problem as this board makes it out to be, the homes is Palisades would simply not continuously sell for as much as they do. We recently moved away from the area. It was nothing compared to the helicopters you constantly hear on the Hill (where we lived previously), which was also fine. I don’t get this fixation.

Is it your contention that it doesn’t diminish the value of those homes?


So airports should be closed so you can increase your property value? Is that your contention?


Yep, the whole world revolves around the PP. Everyone needs to conform to her desires and interests.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2023 12:16     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m a many-pages-ago PP who said we moved because of NexGen and really thoroughly vetted areas to move. I can tell you 100% this is a thing and we made the right choice. I was a Whitman HS today and the planes were 2-3 minutes apart, on the exact same path, close enough that I could read the airline name and count windows through this dreary weather. Glad we did not move to that area.


That’s the thing a lot of these idiots don’t understand — it ain’t just palisades. Burning tree for example has gotten ruined by the flight path too as an example. Straight over Hilton Arms.


I live in this area right by Burning Tree ES/Holton Arms and it's never bothered me. Yes, there are planes that fly overhead, yes, I hear them, but it's really not a big deal.


I lived adjacent to DCA for 15 years and the plane noise never bothered me in 15 years, close enough to smell the tires and fuel. Some people just have nothing to do but complain about nothing.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2023 11:43     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m a many-pages-ago PP who said we moved because of NexGen and really thoroughly vetted areas to move. I can tell you 100% this is a thing and we made the right choice. I was a Whitman HS today and the planes were 2-3 minutes apart, on the exact same path, close enough that I could read the airline name and count windows through this dreary weather. Glad we did not move to that area.


That’s the thing a lot of these idiots don’t understand — it ain’t just palisades. Burning tree for example has gotten ruined by the flight path too as an example. Straight over Hilton Arms.


I live in this area right by Burning Tree ES/Holton Arms and it's never bothered me. Yes, there are planes that fly overhead, yes, I hear them, but it's really not a big deal.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2023 11:36     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If this was as big of a problem as this board makes it out to be, the homes is Palisades would simply not continuously sell for as much as they do. We recently moved away from the area. It was nothing compared to the helicopters you constantly hear on the Hill (where we lived previously), which was also fine. I don’t get this fixation.

Is it your contention that it doesn’t diminish the value of those homes?


So airports should be closed so you can increase your property value? Is that your contention?