Top 50 completion.

1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Caltech, Duke, Penn, Columbia

2A) Johns Hopkins, Dartmouth, Brown, Northwestern, UChicago
2B) Rice, Vanderbilt, WashU, Notre Dame, Cornell / Williams, Amherst

3) CMU, Emory, USC, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley / Pomona, Swarthmore, Wellesley, Bowdoin

4) NYU, UF, Georgia Tech, Tufts, BC, UTA, BU, Northeastern, WF, UMich, UVA, UNC, Rochester / Carleton, Claremont McKenna, W&L, Middlebury, Vassar

Above are 49. Add 1 of your favorite to make it Top 50.

Anonymous wrote:Let's just end this right now:

Tier 1A UVA
Tier 1B UVA
Tier 2A UVA
Tier 2B UVA
Tier 3A Richmond

Done. We can save the need to post anymore.

Wins the Thread! If you know you kknow.

1A) MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Yale
1B) Caltech, Duke, Penn, Columbia

2A) Dartmouth, Northwestern, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Bowdoin, Olin College of Engineering
2B) UMich, Rice, Vanderbilt, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Claremont McKenna, Harvey Mudd

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

Let's end this:

1A) MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Yale
1C) Caltech, Duke, Penn, Columbia

2A) Dartmouth, Northwestern, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Bowdoin
2B) UMich, Rice, Vanderbilt, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can talk in circles but at the end of the day, this is the best list.

1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Caltech, Duke, Penn, Columbia, Northwestern, UChicago

2A) Johns Hopkins, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell
2B) Berkeley, Rice, Vanderbilt, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley

3A) UMich, UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC

It’s this one. We can close the thread now.

1A) Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT
1B) UPenn, Caltech, Duke

2A) Columbia, UChicago, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, Brown, Cornell
2B) Berkeley, Rice, Vanderbilt, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA

3A) UMich, UVA, UNC, CMU, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech
3B) UCSD, UT Austin, W&M, NYU

I think Columbia is probably at least 1B, and where are the LACs again? People keep throwing them out.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can talk in circles but at the end of the day, this is the best list.

1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Caltech, Duke, Penn, Columbia, Northwestern, UChicago

2A) Johns Hopkins, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell
2B) Berkeley, Rice, Vanderbilt, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley

3A) UMich, UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC

It’s this one. We can close the thread now.

1A) Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT
1B) UPenn, Caltech, Duke

2A) Columbia, UChicago, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, Brown, Cornell
2B) Berkeley, Rice, Vanderbilt, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA

3A) UMich, UVA, UNC, CMU, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech
3B) UCSD, UT Austin, W&M, NYU

Anonymous wrote:We can talk in circles but at the end of the day, this is the best list.

1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Caltech, Duke, Penn, Columbia, Northwestern, UChicago

2A) Johns Hopkins, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell
2B) Berkeley, Rice, Vanderbilt, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley

3A) UMich, UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC

It’s this one. We can close the thread now.

Let's just end this right now:

Tier 1A UVA
Tier 1B UVA
Tier 2A UVA
Tier 2B UVA
Tier 3A Richmond

Done. We can save the need to post anymore.

Whew, I'm just glad I was somehow able to get all three of the schools I graduated from on my concise 1-3 list !

Can we get a few of these brilliant rankings published? You just need to come up with methodologies that generate the results you've already come up with and want to see!

This. Plug in 12 LACs for T50

[Post New]10/11/2022 12:25 Subject: Re:The Top 50 National Universities by Average Rank from the 8 Most Influential Rankings [Up]
Anonymous



1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Caltech, Duke, Penn, Columbia

2A) Johns Hopkins, Dartmouth, Brown, Northwestern, UChicago
2B) Rice, Vanderbilt, WashU, Notre Dame, Cornell

3A) CMU, Emory, USC, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley
3B) NYU, UF, Georgia Tech, Tufts, BC, UTA, BU, Northeasetrn, WF, UMich, UVA, UNC

We can talk in circles but at the end of the day, this is the best list.

1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Caltech, Duke, Penn, Columbia, Northwestern, UChicago

2A) Johns Hopkins, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell
2B) Berkeley, Rice, Vanderbilt, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley

3A) UMich, UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And we are recommending academics, prestige, and reputation overall.

"Prestige" and "reputation" are different? What is "academics" if not reputation of academic quality?

As flawed and controversial as USNWR is, at least they spell out their methodology in detail, have more granular rankings for specific things like undergrad teaching and undergrad research, are surveying senior administrators of accredited institutions, and have gone through intense intense scrutiny for 40 years.

Not to be rude, but why would a list with no real description of methodology created by an unknown number of random people with unknown qualifications over a matter of days even begin to compare?

Whatever floats your boat, I guess...

But my personal advice having gone through the process a few times it to focus less on what others think and more on what's best for your own kid.

I did for three kids. All are currently at Non HYP Ivies. The rankings contribute to the tiers along with general understanding of career, reputational, and academic prestige.

Congratulations on your children.

I have a couple kids at schools very highly ranked by USNWR. Perhaps I misunderstood your meaning, but I don't think that makes me as much of an expert as those surveyed by USNWR on topics like reputation or academic prestige. I think I am pretty expert on my kids and helping them find what fit their interests, but not much more!

Career data is pretty messy in terms of whether there's statistically significant amount of data for each major at each school, but I used a combination of sources for that, including PayScale (more data than CollegeScorecard) and outcome data provided by each college.

If one is looking for data beyond the above, I would suggest individual Common Data Sets, Princeton Review, Fiske, Colleges Worth Your Money, The College Finder, and the NSF survey of earned PhDs (more thorough than probably any other grad degree aggregator I came across).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And we are recommending academics, prestige, and reputation overall.

"Prestige" and "reputation" are different? What is "academics" if not reputation of academic quality?

As flawed and controversial as USNWR is, at least they spell out their methodology in detail, have more granular rankings for specific things like undergrad teaching and undergrad research, are surveying senior administrators of accredited institutions, and have gone through intense intense scrutiny for 40 years.

Not to be rude, but why would a list with no real description of methodology created by an unknown number of random people with unknown qualifications over a matter of days even begin to compare?

Whatever floats your boat, I guess...

But my personal advice having gone through the process a few times it to focus less on what others think and more on what's best for your own kid.

I did for three kids. All are currently at Non HYP Ivies. The rankings contribute to the tiers along with general understanding of career, reputational, and academic prestige.

Anonymous wrote:And we are recommending academics, prestige, and reputation overall.

"Prestige" and "reputation" are different? What is "academics" if not reputation of academic quality?

As flawed and controversial as USNWR is, at least they spell out their methodology in detail, have more granular rankings for specific things like undergrad teaching and undergrad research, are surveying senior administrators of accredited institutions, and have gone through intense intense scrutiny for 40 years.

Not to be rude, but why would a list with no real description of methodology created by an unknown number of random people with unknown qualifications over a matter of days even begin to compare?

Whatever floats your boat, I guess...

But my personal advice having gone through the process a few times it to focus less on what others think and more on what's best for your own kid.