Anonymous wrote:I think the sane people On this thread should leave the AAP and WISC conspiracy theorists behind so they can wither away in their own echo chamber.

I could say that some of these posts that make wild accusations without a shred of fact or evidence are funny. However, the truth is that they’re pathetic and sad.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the sane people On this thread should leave the AAP and WISC conspiracy theorists behind so they can wither away in their own echo chamber.

I could say that some of these posts that make wild accusations without a shred of fact or evidence are funny. However, the truth is that they’re pathetic and sad.

Yeah. I think it's just one person who is either very mentally disturbed or just a huge troll. I hope that person gets the help they so desperately need.

Anonymous wrote:I think the sane people On this thread should leave the AAP and WISC conspiracy theorists behind so they can wither away in their own echo chamber.

I could say that some of these posts that make wild accusations without a shred of fact or evidence are funny. However, the truth is that they’re pathetic and sad.

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Anonymous wrote:I have my suspicions that WISC scores actually put you at a disadvantage with some reviewers. Nothing screams privilege like a private diagnosis…

My guess is that they only help in very limited cases.
-If the CogAT scores were high, a high WISC is not telling the committee anything new, other than that the kid is privileged.
-If the CogAT scores were lower, a high WISC might suggest prepping for the test or using an overly generous psychologist.
-If the GBRS was low or middling, a high WISC is still not showing the committee what they want to see holistically.

The only time it might help is if the kid had a high GBRS but mediocre CogAT scores. Even then, it's more likely that the parent letter and new work samples will do more to persuade the committee than the WISC.

The WISC and a couple of crisp benjamins, though, are a whole new ballgame!

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Anonymous wrote:I have my suspicions that WISC scores actually put you at a disadvantage with some reviewers. Nothing screams privilege like a private diagnosis…

My guess is that they only help in very limited cases.
-If the CogAT scores were high, a high WISC is not telling the committee anything new, other than that the kid is privileged.
-If the CogAT scores were lower, a high WISC might suggest prepping for the test or using an overly generous psychologist.
-If the GBRS was low or middling, a high WISC is still not showing the committee what they want to see holistically.

The only time it might help is if the kid had a high GBRS but mediocre CogAT scores. Even then, it's more likely that the parent letter and new work samples will do more to persuade the committee than the WISC.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...

There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.

This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.

But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.

Shhh, we're supposed to keep this quiet!

It is on the County’s web page, it is public knowledge.

It's also public knowledge that very few professionals are going to risk their careers/reputations/licenses for a handful of exaggerated WISC scores. But that won't stop the "it's all a sham, you pay your way in!" person (or people, hard to tell) from continuing to parrot their nonsense. I suspect at this point they're just trolling for the lulz or whatever.

LOL, you're kidding, right? Spending $5k gets you the diagnosis of choice for giftedness. This isn't prescribing meds.

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Anonymous wrote:GMU is booked solid in the interval between rejections and appeals. A lot of people are using GMU.

Also, a high WISC score is no longer a guarantee of acceptance on appeal. If you submit a high WISC score, but the committee isn't seeing what it wants to see when it holistically reviews the file, they'll still reject the kid.

Do you know how many people are booking appointments or how many appointment slots GMU even has? Do you think that they are doing only WiSCs or do you think that WiSCs are a percentage of the examinations and appointments that they have?

Yes, people are going for a WiSC. I seriously doubt that everyone who is appealing is getting a WiSC. And there is no indication that a high WiSC actually leads to a successful appeal. People have posted that they had a high WiSC for their appeal and did not get into AAP on appeal. People have posted that they went for a WiSC and the score was less then the CogAT and ask if they should include the WiSC.

Essentially, a small percentage of the people applying for AAP, in the first wave or in the appeals process, are using a WiSC. The numbers in the audit bears this out. The anecdotal evidence from this board points to practitioners that are not ginning up bogus scores AND that people with higher WiSC scores are not automatically admitted.

But keep on arguing that somehow or another people are buying their way into AAP and buying WiSC scores. It sure seems to make you feel better about something. I don't know if that is because your child wasn't accepted into AAP and you are looking for an excuse or if you just don't like AAP for some reason and are looking for a reason to tear it down.

I have taken the WiSC, many times in school, because I have LDs. I had to take it every 3-4 years to renew services in my school district. It sucked. I knew that I was struggling in areas, because I am smart and I knew I was suppose to be able to do the things I struggled on. But that is how they measure the gaps in abilities that point to LDs or ADHD. It is stupidly frustrating to take an exam that you know you are, essentially failing. Practitioners understand the importance of these types of exams to identify real issues for people. Only an unethical hack would sell results in order to make more money because practitioners are aware that the results have to be trusted in order to provide supports and assistance to people who need support and assistance.

People who are getting WiSCs for their AAP applications are, in my opinion, strangely invested in AAP. I think AAP is nice but I don't think that it is all that great. My kid is ahead of the math they are doing in AAP so we send him for enrichment. I don't think for a second that the Advanced Math would meet his needs if fewer kids were in AAP. And to be frank, I think the process does a fine job of placing kids in AAP. Are some kids included who should not be, sure. Are some kids missed who should be included, sure. But overall the process works reasonably well. And no, I don't feel like the panic from parents at higher SES schools who are so focused on TJ in second grade warrants the level of emotional responses that people pour into the AAP process.

Anonymous wrote:GMU is booked solid in the interval between rejections and appeals. A lot of people are using GMU.

Also, a high WISC score is no longer a guarantee of acceptance on appeal. If you submit a high WISC score, but the committee isn't seeing what it wants to see when it holistically reviews the file, they'll still reject the kid.

Anonymous wrote:I have my suspicions that WISC scores actually put you at a disadvantage with some reviewers. Nothing screams privilege like a private diagnosis…

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Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...

There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.

This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.

But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.

Shhh, we're supposed to keep this quiet!

It is on the County’s web page, it is public knowledge.

It's also public knowledge that very few professionals are going to risk their careers/reputations/licenses for a handful of exaggerated WISC scores. But that won't stop the "it's all a sham, you pay your way in!" person (or people, hard to tell) from continuing to parrot their nonsense. I suspect at this point they're just trolling for the lulz or whatever.

LOL, you're kidding, right? Spending $5k gets you the diagnosis of choice for giftedness. This isn't prescribing meds.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...

There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.

This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.

But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.

Shhh, we're supposed to keep this quiet!

It is on the County’s web page, it is public knowledge.

It's also public knowledge that very few professionals are going to risk their careers/reputations/licenses for a handful of exaggerated WISC scores. But that won't stop the "it's all a sham, you pay your way in!" person (or people, hard to tell) from continuing to parrot their nonsense. I suspect at this point they're just trolling for the lulz or whatever.