Anonymous wrote:Berkeley and Michigan were top ten before USNWR changed their formula back in the 80’s

Anonymous wrote:Emory and Georgetown deserve to be top 20 More than UCLA Berkeley etc. And they were until USnews changed the formula.

Anonymous wrote:Berkeley and Michigan were top ten before USNWR changed their formula back in the 80’s

Anonymous wrote:Emory and Georgetown deserve to be top 20 More than UCLA Berkeley etc. And they were until USnews changed the formula.

Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame and Washington U in St. Louis have huge endowment funds. Unlikely to fall out of the top 20.

Among the US News top 20 National Universities only one--#20 UCLA--is a public university. It will be interesting to follow UCLA and its new found riches due to joining the Big Ten Conference.

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Anonymous wrote:What's the T20 now?

Welcome to the world of college admission.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

The list ranks the University of Pittsburgh and the University of Washington as tied at #59; maybe we should be referring to the Top 60 rather than the Top 20 National Universities.

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Anonymous wrote:What's the T20 now?

Welcome to the world of college admission.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly it should be t15….

Under that you start getting “spiky” school….

Nd…Catholics
Vandy…sundresses
Emory, rice…south
CMU (I like CMU a lot)….tech, poor QoL, Pittsburgh meh
Gtown….shitty endowment, shitty facilities, kids don’t like it, great public/social science sector programs

The rough t15 are schools that are just straight up strong and have resources and provenance

MIT isn't spiky? How about JHU?

MIT social sciences are a monster. Only a philistine would think MIT isn’t an all round beast

JHU isn’t either - humanities are really strong at JHU. Jhu is like Chicago

Jhu is held back by location and absolutely shitty administration and QoL

A: Where do you go?
B: MIT
A: Whow, what's your major
B: History
A: Bummer

MIT history is really good and if you have interest in IR / nuclear policy (non-proliferation) / state and non-state actors —

If an MIT history grad was applying for a position in my foreign policy focused team, 100% they are getting auto interviewed

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly it should be t15….

Under that you start getting “spiky” school….

Nd…Catholics
Vandy…sundresses
Emory, rice…south
CMU (I like CMU a lot)….tech, poor QoL, Pittsburgh meh
Gtown….shitty endowment, shitty facilities, kids don’t like it, great public/social science sector programs

The rough t15 are schools that are just straight up strong and have resources and provenance

MIT isn't spiky? How about JHU?

MIT social sciences are a monster. Only a philistine would think MIT isn’t an all round beast

JHU isn’t either - humanities are really strong at JHU. Jhu is like Chicago

Jhu is held back by location and absolutely shitty administration and QoL

A: Where do you go?
B: MIT
A: Whow, what's your major
B: History
A: Bummer

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Anonymous wrote:My take on top 20:

1. Harvard
2. Stanford
3. MIT
4. Yale
5. Princeton
6. Columbia
7. Caltech
8. Chicago
9. Penn
10. Duke
11. Northwestern
12. Brown
13. Dartmouth
14. Cornell
15. Johns Hopkins
16. UC Berkeley
17. Georgetown
18. Notre Dame
19. Michigan /UCLA /UVA
20. Vanderbilt, Rice

UVA doesn't belong in the top 22 - maybe top 30.

Wrong, but schools like Duke, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Rice, and Hopkins don't belong.

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Anonymous wrote:Washinton U, Vandy, Rice, Emory and Notre Dame will slide several places.

What would be the replacements?

Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, USC

This is utterly delusional... USC, Umich?!

You may be basing your comment on outdated information. That was probably a fair assessment in the 80s, but not today. Both are highly selective, academic powerhouses that attract top students. We're talking sub 10% admissions rates and applicants from the top local high schools (many of whom are rejected).

In my industry (investment banking/technology), USC is a major recruiting stop, second only to Stanford. UCLA is also very strong, but in our niche, a private undergrad degree still carries more cache. The access to opportunities, programs, top notch professors, and an unbelievably loyal alumni network at USC is impressive. Add the upcoming Big 10 infusion of cash - some say $75-100MM per year - and you've got a rocket ship.

Although I know less about Michigan, in our industry it is also considered strong in the engineering and business programs.

The perception and reality of schools evolve over time. In 2022, undergrads are more worldly than ever before. The notion of spending 4 years in a Red State like Texas, Tennessee or Indiana vs. living in a metropolitan area is a non-starter for many. For that reason alone, the CA schools will continue to rise. YMMV

USC is very strong in Engineering and Tech as well.
It's a major feeder to Silicon Valley not to mention the flagship school of Cinematic Art.
If money is the same, I would definitely go to USC over UCLA

All of these schools have subjects they're the best at, that not a good reason for why USC would displace schools ranked higher than it.

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Anonymous wrote:My take on top 20:

1. Harvard
2. Stanford
3. MIT
4. Yale
5. Princeton
6. Columbia
7. Caltech
8. Chicago
9. Penn
10. Duke
11. Northwestern
12. Brown
13. Dartmouth
14. Cornell
15. Johns Hopkins
16. UC Berkeley
17. Georgetown
18. Notre Dame
19. Michigan /UCLA /UVA
20. Vanderbilt, Rice

UVA doesn't belong in the top 22 - maybe top 30.