Anonymous
01/27/2023 10:54
Subject: For everyone insisting MCPS reinstate SROs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please go watch last night's episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and learn a little more about why SROs not only don't work but cause harm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwqQGvYt0g
The above piece provides an excellent overview of the impact of SROs.
SROs can be effective but only if they are trained correctly. This is the same argument about "defund the police".
If your neighborhood is riddled with crime what do you do? Do you just live with it, get a gun, put up barbed wire around your house? Would you feel less or more safe with the presence of cops who were trained and vetted properly?
Anyone can be effective if trained correctly. Having more people with guns in schools is a bad idea.
yes, having students with guns in school is a bad idea, but it happens, so having cops with guns in school is a valid deterrent. Or are you suggesting that Principals carry the gun?
Someone posted.."would you bring a knife to a gun fight"?
The data indicates it isn't at all in fact rarely has it been a deterrent and more often has resulted in greater casualties.
MCPS memo suggests otherwise. Section titled "Evidence Supporting School Resource Officer Programs"
https://www.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/C2S2RR727C3F/$file/SRO%20Program%20210511.pdf
From the same memo:
"According to Schlosser (2014), schools with a regular police presence were 18% more likely to experience a violent incident and 13% more likely to experience a serious violent incident than schools without a regular police presence."
Anonymous
01/27/2023 10:44
Subject: For everyone insisting MCPS reinstate SROs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please go watch last night's episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and learn a little more about why SROs not only don't work but cause harm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwqQGvYt0g
This was brilliant!
"The evidence for cops in schools deterring school shootings is not there, and the evidence for the damage they can do is significant". They went on to say that in 20 years of data, there were only two cases where SROs actually stopped a shooting; further, the study indicated that their presence increased the body count.
Well I hope those 2 cases included the SRO who helped stop the Clarksburg HS kid with the gun and the SRO who literally stopped a gunman at a MD HS after shots were fired. https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/maryland-school-shooting-resource-officer-response-trnd/index.html
In the story you link, a gunman with a specific target shot and killed that target and then shot and killed himself. Two lives were lost and no evidence to show that any additional lives were likely to be lost.
That's right. We'd never know if additional lives would've been lost but thank goodness this SRO responded to the scene in less than a minute to prevent that from happening. My biggest point is these studies you all refer to lose their sparkle when a simple 2-second google search provides numerous pieces of evidence to dispute it.
My point is that the "evidence" that you provided does not, in fact, dispute it.
Whatever you want to think is fine but it actually does. Sorry.
Anonymous
01/27/2023 10:41
Subject: For everyone insisting MCPS reinstate SROs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please go watch last night's episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and learn a little more about why SROs not only don't work but cause harm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwqQGvYt0g
This was brilliant!
"The evidence for cops in schools deterring school shootings is not there, and the evidence for the damage they can do is significant". They went on to say that in 20 years of data, there were only two cases where SROs actually stopped a shooting; further, the study indicated that their presence increased the body count.
Well I hope those 2 cases included the SRO who helped stop the Clarksburg HS kid with the gun and the SRO who literally stopped a gunman at a MD HS after shots were fired. https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/maryland-school-shooting-resource-officer-response-trnd/index.html
In the story you link, a gunman with a specific target shot and killed that target and then shot and killed himself. Two lives were lost and no evidence to show that any additional lives were likely to be lost.
That's right. We'd never know if additional lives would've been lost but thank goodness this SRO responded to the scene in less than a minute to prevent that from happening. My biggest point is these studies you all refer to lose their sparkle when a simple 2-second google search provides numerous pieces of evidence to dispute it.
My point is that the "evidence" that you provided does not, in fact, dispute it.
Anonymous
01/27/2023 10:33
Subject: For everyone insisting MCPS reinstate SROs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please go watch last night's episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and learn a little more about why SROs not only don't work but cause harm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwqQGvYt0g
This was brilliant!
"The evidence for cops in schools deterring school shootings is not there, and the evidence for the damage they can do is significant". They went on to say that in 20 years of data, there were only two cases where SROs actually stopped a shooting; further, the study indicated that their presence increased the body count.
Well I hope those 2 cases included the SRO who helped stop the Clarksburg HS kid with the gun and the SRO who literally stopped a gunman at a MD HS after shots were fired. https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/maryland-school-shooting-resource-officer-response-trnd/index.html
In the story you link, a gunman with a specific target shot and killed that target and then shot and killed himself. Two lives were lost and no evidence to show that any additional lives were likely to be lost.
That's right. We'd never know if additional lives would've been lost but thank goodness this SRO responded to the scene in less than a minute to prevent that from happening. My biggest point is these studies you all refer to lose their sparkle when a simple 2-second google search provides numerous pieces of evidence to dispute it.
Anonymous
01/27/2023 10:09
Subject: For everyone insisting MCPS reinstate SROs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please go watch last night's episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and learn a little more about why SROs not only don't work but cause harm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwqQGvYt0g
The above piece provides an excellent overview of the impact of SROs.
SROs can be effective but only if they are trained correctly. This is the same argument about "defund the police".
If your neighborhood is riddled with crime what do you do? Do you just live with it, get a gun, put up barbed wire around your house? Would you feel less or more safe with the presence of cops who were trained and vetted properly?
Anyone can be effective if trained correctly. Having more people with guns in schools is a bad idea.
yes, having students with guns in school is a bad idea, but it happens, so having cops with guns in school is a valid deterrent. Or are you suggesting that Principals carry the gun?
Someone posted.."would you bring a knife to a gun fight"?
The data indicates it isn't at all in fact rarely has it been a deterrent and more often has resulted in greater casualties.
MCPS memo suggests otherwise. Section titled "Evidence Supporting School Resource Officer Programs"
https://www.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/C2S2RR727C3F/$file/SRO%20Program%20210511.pdf
Anonymous
01/27/2023 10:07
Subject: For everyone insisting MCPS reinstate SROs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please go watch last night's episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and learn a little more about why SROs not only don't work but cause harm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwqQGvYt0g
The above piece provides an excellent overview of the impact of SROs.
SROs can be effective but only if they are trained correctly. This is the same argument about "defund the police".
If your neighborhood is riddled with crime what do you do? Do you just live with it, get a gun, put up barbed wire around your house? Would you feel less or more safe with the presence of cops who were trained and vetted properly?
Anyone can be effective if trained correctly. Having more people with guns in schools is a bad idea.
yes, having students with guns in school is a bad idea, but it happens, so having cops with guns in school is a valid deterrent. Or are you suggesting that Principals carry the gun?
Someone posted.."would you bring a knife to a gun fight"?
The data indicates it isn't at all in fact rarely has it been a deterrent and more often has resulted in greater casualties.
If people are really concerned about guns, they may want to consider gun control. Just saying...
Anonymous
01/27/2023 10:06
Subject: For everyone insisting MCPS reinstate SROs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please go watch last night's episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and learn a little more about why SROs not only don't work but cause harm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwqQGvYt0g
The above piece provides an excellent overview of the impact of SROs.
SROs can be effective but only if they are trained correctly. This is the same argument about "defund the police".
If your neighborhood is riddled with crime what do you do? Do you just live with it, get a gun, put up barbed wire around your house? Would you feel less or more safe with the presence of cops who were trained and vetted properly?
Anyone can be effective if trained correctly. Having more people with guns in schools is a bad idea.
yes, having students with guns in school is a bad idea, but it happens, so having cops with guns in school is a valid deterrent. Or are you suggesting that Principals carry the gun?
Someone posted.."would you bring a knife to a gun fight"?
The data indicates it isn't at all in fact rarely has it been a deterrent and more often has resulted in greater casualties.
Anonymous
01/27/2023 09:01
Subject: For everyone insisting MCPS reinstate SROs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please go watch last night's episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and learn a little more about why SROs not only don't work but cause harm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwqQGvYt0g
The above piece provides an excellent overview of the impact of SROs.
SROs can be effective but only if they are trained correctly. This is the same argument about "defund the police".
If your neighborhood is riddled with crime what do you do? Do you just live with it, get a gun, put up barbed wire around your house? Would you feel less or more safe with the presence of cops who were trained and vetted properly?
Anyone can be effective if trained correctly. Having more people with guns in schools is a bad idea.
yes, having students with guns in school is a bad idea, but it happens, so having cops with guns in school is a valid deterrent. Or are you suggesting that Principals carry the gun?
Someone posted.."would you bring a knife to a gun fight"?
Anonymous
01/27/2023 08:59
Subject: For everyone insisting MCPS reinstate SROs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please go watch last night's episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and learn a little more about why SROs not only don't work but cause harm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwqQGvYt0g
The above piece provides an excellent overview of the impact of SROs.
SROs can be effective but only if they are trained correctly. This is the same argument about "defund the police".
If your neighborhood is riddled with crime what do you do? Do you just live with it, get a gun, put up barbed wire around your house? Would you feel less or more safe with the presence of cops who were trained and vetted properly?
Anyone can be effective if trained correctly. Having more people with guns in schools is a bad idea.
The only person that can be affective against a threat with a semi automatic weapon id SWAT not an SRO.
? So we should have SWAT in school?
Anonymous
01/27/2023 08:58
Subject: For everyone insisting MCPS reinstate SROs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please go watch last night's episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and learn a little more about why SROs not only don't work but cause harm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwqQGvYt0g
The above piece provides an excellent overview of the impact of SROs.
SROs can be effective but only if they are trained correctly. This is the same argument about "defund the police".
If your neighborhood is riddled with crime what do you do? Do you just live with it, get a gun, put up barbed wire around your house? Would you feel less or more safe with the presence of cops who were trained and vetted properly?
Cops can be effective tools for school if they are used properly. They are not teachers, they are not disciplinarians, they are not therapists, they are not crossing guards, they are not counselors. They are cops. They are trying to deal with crime. They should only be used to deal with criminals.
of course. Is anyone disputing that? Students who bring weapons to school are by definition criminals.
Anonymous
01/27/2023 08:48
Subject: For everyone insisting MCPS reinstate SROs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please go watch last night's episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and learn a little more about why SROs not only don't work but cause harm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwqQGvYt0g
The above piece provides an excellent overview of the impact of SROs.
SROs can be effective but only if they are trained correctly. This is the same argument about "defund the police".
If your neighborhood is riddled with crime what do you do? Do you just live with it, get a gun, put up barbed wire around your house? Would you feel less or more safe with the presence of cops who were trained and vetted properly?
Anyone can be effective if trained correctly. Having more people with guns in schools is a bad idea.
The only person that can be affective against a threat with a semi automatic weapon id SWAT not an SRO.
Anonymous
01/27/2023 08:48
Subject: For everyone insisting MCPS reinstate SROs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please go watch last night's episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and learn a little more about why SROs not only don't work but cause harm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwqQGvYt0g
The above piece provides an excellent overview of the impact of SROs.
SROs can be effective but only if they are trained correctly. This is the same argument about "defund the police".
If your neighborhood is riddled with crime what do you do? Do you just live with it, get a gun, put up barbed wire around your house? Would you feel less or more safe with the presence of cops who were trained and vetted properly?
Cops can be effective tools for school if they are used properly. They are not teachers, they are not disciplinarians, they are not therapists, they are not crossing guards, they are not counselors. They are cops. They are trying to deal with crime. They should only be used to deal with criminals.
Anonymous
01/27/2023 08:43
Subject: For everyone insisting MCPS reinstate SROs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please go watch last night's episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and learn a little more about why SROs not only don't work but cause harm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwqQGvYt0g
The above piece provides an excellent overview of the impact of SROs.
SROs can be effective but only if they are trained correctly. This is the same argument about "defund the police".
If your neighborhood is riddled with crime what do you do? Do you just live with it, get a gun, put up barbed wire around your house? Would you feel less or more safe with the presence of cops who were trained and vetted properly?
Anyone can be effective if trained correctly. Having more people with guns in schools is a bad idea.
Anonymous
01/27/2023 08:36
Subject: For everyone insisting MCPS reinstate SROs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please go watch last night's episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and learn a little more about why SROs not only don't work but cause harm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwqQGvYt0g
The above piece provides an excellent overview of the impact of SROs.
SROs can be effective but only if they are trained correctly. This is the same argument about "defund the police".
If your neighborhood is riddled with crime what do you do? Do you just live with it, get a gun, put up barbed wire around your house? Would you feel less or more safe with the presence of cops who were trained and vetted properly?
Anonymous
01/27/2023 08:21
Subject: For everyone insisting MCPS reinstate SROs
Anonymous wrote:Please go watch last night's episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and learn a little more about why SROs not only don't work but cause harm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwqQGvYt0g
The above piece provides an excellent overview of the impact of SROs.