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Anonymous wrote:You are thinking from the perspective of an older person or mom. I highly doubt if you are on this forum you have access to high society, where absolutely knowing Shakespeare’s work is a must, along with other works of literature, art, etc.

I hope you can see times are changing, Shakespeare will surely continued to be read but will no longer be the staple. And yes, we do need to read other works from Asian, black, hispanic, etc authors.

Foundational English lit? The United States does not even have an official language, so the idea of ‘English lit’ is just becoming ‘literature.’

This literally makes no sense.

I’m sorry you don’t get that we can expand literature to include a more diverse set of authors, and that a little less Shakespeare won’t ruin your child’s life.

Oh the horror of having an opinion as a mom, or gasp! while being older. Oh, wise 23 year old with a newly minted college degree, I beg you, share your wisdom with the plebeians.

Your post is a perfect example of why we need rigorous instruction in English composition and literature.
Your expression is a rambling of confuse ideas, a mishmash of incoherent borrowed snippets, poor vocabulary choice, and an appalling lack of critical thinking.
You clearly don’t grasp that staple denotes consumption of a commodity or you wouldn’t use it to describe Shakespeare’s works. You don’t seem to know the meaning of foundational, fyi according to the dictionary definition it means ‘denoting an underlying basis or principle; fundamental’. You don’t have critical thinking skills, otherwise you’d realize that English literature must have a foundation, it didn’t just came into existence while you were in high school. The works written as the language was developing are the foundation of English literature.

Regarding people still reading, none of your business what they chose to do with their time, if they read for pleasure or not. On thing I can assure you of, most decent jobs today require good reading and writing skills, and sharp critical thinking, and that’s across all careers and industries. We want our children to develop those skills to be successful in life.

This is a mommy forum, please tell me why I should put in effort into my posts here?

I have stated my stance in multiple different ways and others have shared similar responses. Rather than a lack of ‘critical thinking,’ it’s more people like you don’t want to hear the opinion. I’m sorry you do not understand that their are other works one can read to develop better literacy skills.

And the fact that you are adding to my words or purposely misconstruing them tells me that you do not have people around you who challenge you and live in a bubble. Friends who look like you, talk like you, and have a similar background. I’m sure you are a wealth of knowledge and have very strong ‘critical thinking skills.’

I’ve never stated Shakespeare shouldn’t be read, it just doesn’t need to be read in abundance. I also mostly still just make fun of this post, like I keep having to repeat. Is memory loss becoming more prevalent? Perhaps lower your sugar intake and make sure to eat fruits and vegetables.

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Anonymous wrote:You are thinking from the perspective of an older person or mom. I highly doubt if you are on this forum you have access to high society, where absolutely knowing Shakespeare’s work is a must, along with other works of literature, art, etc.

I hope you can see times are changing, Shakespeare will surely continued to be read but will no longer be the staple. And yes, we do need to read other works from Asian, black, hispanic, etc authors.

Foundational English lit? The United States does not even have an official language, so the idea of ‘English lit’ is just becoming ‘literature.’

This literally makes no sense.

I’m sorry you don’t get that we can expand literature to include a more diverse set of authors, and that a little less Shakespeare won’t ruin your child’s life.

Oh the horror of having an opinion as a mom, or gasp! while being older. Oh, wise 23 year old with a newly minted college degree, I beg you, share your wisdom with the plebeians.

Your post is a perfect example of why we need rigorous instruction in English composition and literature.
Your expression is a rambling of confuse ideas, a mishmash of incoherent borrowed snippets, poor vocabulary choice, and an appalling lack of critical thinking.
You clearly don’t grasp that staple denotes consumption of a commodity or you wouldn’t use it to describe Shakespeare’s works. You don’t seem to know the meaning of foundational, fyi according to the dictionary definition it means ‘denoting an underlying basis or principle; fundamental’. You don’t have critical thinking skills, otherwise you’d realize that English literature must have a foundation, it didn’t just came into existence while you were in high school. The works written as the language was developing are the foundation of English literature.

Regarding people still reading, none of your business what they chose to do with their time, if they read for pleasure or not. On thing I can assure you of, most decent jobs today require good reading and writing skills, and sharp critical thinking, and that’s across all careers and industries. We want our children to develop those skills to be successful in life.

This is a mommy forum, please tell me why I should put in effort into my posts here?

I have stated my stance in multiple different ways and others have shared similar responses. Rather than a lack of ‘critical thinking,’ it’s more people like you don’t want to hear the opinion. I’m sorry you do not understand that their are other works one can read to develop better literacy skills.

And the fact that you are adding to my words or purposely misconstruing them tells me that you do not have people around you who challenge you and live in a bubble. Friends who look like you, talk like you, and have a similar background. I’m sure you are a wealth of knowledge and have very strong ‘critical thinking skills.’

I’ve never stated Shakespeare shouldn’t be read, it just doesn’t need to be read in abundance. I also mostly still just make fun of this post, like I keep having to repeat. Is memory loss becoming more prevalent? Perhaps lower your sugar intake and make sure to eat fruits and vegetables.

Just stop with the pseudo psychological analysis. You went after me, my supposed husband (lol), my kid, now my friends. Go back at being enraged we use the word “cannon” on k-12, that was priceless. You have already proven to be completely incompetent in this discussion, now you want to lecture what my child should learn in school. Ok, list the authors you’d like to add to the curriculum.

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Anonymous wrote:You are thinking from the perspective of an older person or mom. I highly doubt if you are on this forum you have access to high society, where absolutely knowing Shakespeare’s work is a must, along with other works of literature, art, etc.

I hope you can see times are changing, Shakespeare will surely continued to be read but will no longer be the staple. And yes, we do need to read other works from Asian, black, hispanic, etc authors.

Foundational English lit? The United States does not even have an official language, so the idea of ‘English lit’ is just becoming ‘literature.’

This literally makes no sense.

I’m sorry you don’t get that we can expand literature to include a more diverse set of authors, and that a little less Shakespeare won’t ruin your child’s life.

Oh the horror of having an opinion as a mom, or gasp! while being older. Oh, wise 23 year old with a newly minted college degree, I beg you, share your wisdom with the plebeians.

Your post is a perfect example of why we need rigorous instruction in English composition and literature.
Your expression is a rambling of confuse ideas, a mishmash of incoherent borrowed snippets, poor vocabulary choice, and an appalling lack of critical thinking.
You clearly don’t grasp that staple denotes consumption of a commodity or you wouldn’t use it to describe Shakespeare’s works. You don’t seem to know the meaning of foundational, fyi according to the dictionary definition it means ‘denoting an underlying basis or principle; fundamental’. You don’t have critical thinking skills, otherwise you’d realize that English literature must have a foundation, it didn’t just came into existence while you were in high school. The works written as the language was developing are the foundation of English literature.

Regarding people still reading, none of your business what they chose to do with their time, if they read for pleasure or not. On thing I can assure you of, most decent jobs today require good reading and writing skills, and sharp critical thinking, and that’s across all careers and industries. We want our children to develop those skills to be successful in life.

This is a mommy forum, please tell me why I should put in effort into my posts here?

I have stated my stance in multiple different ways and others have shared similar responses. Rather than a lack of ‘critical thinking,’ it’s more people like you don’t want to hear the opinion. I’m sorry you do not understand that their are other works one can read to develop better literacy skills.

And the fact that you are adding to my words or purposely misconstruing them tells me that you do not have people around you who challenge you and live in a bubble. Friends who look like you, talk like you, and have a similar background. I’m sure you are a wealth of knowledge and have very strong ‘critical thinking skills.’

I’ve never stated Shakespeare shouldn’t be read, it just doesn’t need to be read in abundance. I also mostly still just make fun of this post, like I keep having to repeat. Is memory loss becoming more prevalent? Perhaps lower your sugar intake and make sure to eat fruits and vegetables.

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Anonymous wrote:You are thinking from the perspective of an older person or mom. I highly doubt if you are on this forum you have access to high society, where absolutely knowing Shakespeare’s work is a must, along with other works of literature, art, etc.

I hope you can see times are changing, Shakespeare will surely continued to be read but will no longer be the staple. And yes, we do need to read other works from Asian, black, hispanic, etc authors.

Foundational English lit? The United States does not even have an official language, so the idea of ‘English lit’ is just becoming ‘literature.’

This literally makes no sense.

I’m sorry you don’t get that we can expand literature to include a more diverse set of authors, and that a little less Shakespeare won’t ruin your child’s life.

Oh the horror of having an opinion as a mom, or gasp! while being older. Oh, wise 23 year old with a newly minted college degree, I beg you, share your wisdom with the plebeians.

Your post is a perfect example of why we need rigorous instruction in English composition and literature.
Your expression is a rambling of confuse ideas, a mishmash of incoherent borrowed snippets, poor vocabulary choice, and an appalling lack of critical thinking.
You clearly don’t grasp that staple denotes consumption of a commodity or you wouldn’t use it to describe Shakespeare’s works. You don’t seem to know the meaning of foundational, fyi according to the dictionary definition it means ‘denoting an underlying basis or principle; fundamental’. You don’t have critical thinking skills, otherwise you’d realize that English literature must have a foundation, it didn’t just came into existence while you were in high school. The works written as the language was developing are the foundation of English literature.

Regarding people still reading, none of your business what they chose to do with their time, if they read for pleasure or not. On thing I can assure you of, most decent jobs today require good reading and writing skills, and sharp critical thinking, and that’s across all careers and industries. We want our children to develop those skills to be successful in life.

Anonymous wrote:There is a meme making the rounds:

“White men did not produce great art and literature, white men produced art and literature that spoke to other white men, so they all just collectively agreed amongst themselves that it was great.

A lot of it ain’t great.”

Stop enabling this. If you live Shakespeare wonderful. But can you give the ISD reasons why it’s beneficial to teach it? Do you know what ISD means - I mean you know all the answers to curriculum development.

I don’t like how they teach math know. I love math but I see how my kid understands the machinations of how math works and it’s glorious.

Darling child might love Shakespeare and I will embrace that.

It is not 1951 anymore so why are you setting the bar based on that? If you do then stop helping your kids w their homework, stop involving yourself in school affairs, start baking pies and bringing yours husband your slippers.

So many smart women on here but they don’t look past their own experience. It’s sad. You could be great but chose to be basic.

Anonymous wrote:What’s so funny is who thinks wrote what? Sitting a soccer game w my friend on this thread. We are both commenting.

Anonymous wrote:For all your kid geniuses why aren’t they reading Shakespeare on their own? They literally have access to the world and free educational resources. Yale has an English lit class on YouTube

This can be done for free or you spending your disposable income on a Georgetown English major to tutor (had to say Georgetown because no other school is good enough right).

You can’t accept the “cannon” (FFS on that word being used for k-12) has to change and you have to defend the old school.

I really do feel sorry for you and your kids who have no intellectual curiosity.

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Anonymous wrote:You are thinking from the perspective of an older person or mom. I highly doubt if you are on this forum you have access to high society, where absolutely knowing Shakespeare’s work is a must, along with other works of literature, art, etc.

I hope you can see times are changing, Shakespeare will surely continued to be read but will no longer be the staple. And yes, we do need to read other works from Asian, black, hispanic, etc authors.

Foundational English lit? The United States does not even have an official language, so the idea of ‘English lit’ is just becoming ‘literature.’

This literally makes no sense.

I’m sorry you don’t get that we can expand literature to include a more diverse set of authors, and that a little less Shakespeare won’t ruin your child’s life.

Oh the horror of having an opinion as a mom, or gasp! while being older. Oh, wise 23 year old with a newly minted college degree, I beg you, share your wisdom with the plebeians.

Your post is a perfect example of why we need rigorous instruction in English composition and literature.
Your expression is a rambling of confuse ideas, a mishmash of incoherent borrowed snippets, poor vocabulary choice, and an appalling lack of critical thinking.
You clearly don’t grasp that staple denotes consumption of a commodity or you wouldn’t use it to describe Shakespeare’s works. You don’t seem to know the meaning of foundational, fyi according to the dictionary definition it means ‘denoting an underlying basis or principle; fundamental’. You don’t have critical thinking skills, otherwise you’d realize that English literature must have a foundation, it didn’t just came into existence while you were in high school. The works written as the language was developing are the foundation of English literature.

Regarding people still reading, none of your business what they chose to do with their time, if they read for pleasure or not. On thing I can assure you of, most decent jobs today require good reading and writing skills, and sharp critical thinking, and that’s across all careers and industries. We want our children to develop those skills to be successful in life.

No your reading comprehension is off. Including more not less is better.

Are your pears warm from all the clutching.

We get it. You passed the dead white male test in school. They told you that was the standard so you will live with that standard. You don’t read because you already did. You probably resent book worms because they love books because they just do not because they have to.

Your living to the preset standard helped you bag a rich husband or get to some satisfactory place in your career. But you don’t have a love of reading. And when anyone else is successful but didn’t do it through this archaic standard you resent them.