Anonymous
10/23/2021 09:06
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
And also, what qualifications do you need to be hired as head armorer if loading blanks isn’t a prerequisite?
Anonymous
10/23/2021 09:05
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Her 78 year old dad may be a legendary armorer, but he clearly failed to teach her the most important parts of being the armorer.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 08:48
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
With improper rest
Anonymous
10/23/2021 08:47
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Long work hours aren't unsafe, and not getting put up in Santa Fe hotels isn't unsafe.
Filming during covid is stressful and unfun but still happening. What happened is that someone made a mistake. Whether it was the head armorer or someone else will be determined.
Long hours are absolute unsafe when your job is to handle heavy equipment (like cameras, sets, and other equipment common on film sets). That is how people get hurt.
Long hours are also unsafe if your job involves handling dangerous materials (guns, explosives, etc.) that requires focus and strict adherence to a detailed protocol. We don’t know why protocol was not followed on this set, but the fact that crews were working 14 hour days with proper rest and accommodations is a red flag in terms of the kind of environment people were in.
Accommodations can contribute to safety as well. I do t know the circumstances in this set, but one reason to request hotel accommodations is if onset accommodations are dirty, noisy, pest infested, or otherwise likely to interfere with general standards of comfort necessary to get quality rest. Asking for access to a Days Inn or something is not an entitled demand. People need to sleep.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 08:44
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously can’t imagine how he feels. What a crazy thing to happen
I'm sure he's unbothered. He's a bad person.
I think you are being unjust. I am not a fan of Alec but, you don't know it and I am sure he is distraught. Maybe saying what you wrote makes you the bad person.
Insofar as PP hasn’t killed anyone this week in such an asinine way, maybe not.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 08:39
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously can’t imagine how he feels. What a crazy thing to happen
I'm sure he's unbothered. He's a bad person.
I think you are being unjust. I am not a fan of Alec but, you don't know it and I am sure he is distraught. Maybe saying what you wrote makes you the bad person.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 08:35
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous
10/23/2021 08:34
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
PP lodging nearby
Anonymous
10/23/2021 08:34
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Long work hours aren't unsafe, and not getting put up in Santa Fe hotels isn't unsafe.
Filming during covid is stressful and unfun but still happening. What happened is that someone made a mistake. Whether it was the head armorer or someone else will be determined.
Have you ever worked on a film of tv shoot? The days are long, 12 hour minimum. There are no weekends. This is not a desk job; the work is physically exhausting. The crew did not want to have to drive an hour 2 times a day as they were exhausted and felt it was a safety risk. They were promised losing nearby.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 08:24
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:
Costs more money to CGI and some actor/producers like to be 'authentic'. Christopher Nolan, director of TENET, blew up an entire plane with explosives in 2019 because its cheaper than CGI.
And because CGI doesn't look real. At all.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 08:23
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Long work hours aren't unsafe, and not getting put up in Santa Fe hotels isn't unsafe.
Filming during covid is stressful and unfun but still happening. What happened is that someone made a mistake. Whether it was the head armorer or someone else will be determined.
Filming during covid is stressful and unfun but still happening. What happened is that someone made a mistake. Whether it was the head armorer or someone else will be determined.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 08:22
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:
I truly cannot emphasize this enough: a blank is considered a live round on a film set, because it poses a risk. “Live ammo” (ie bullets) are not allowed in sets and there is no evidence there was live ammo on this set.
I still don’t think we know that the gun had an actual blank in it. It may have had debris in it from when previously fired, if not properly cleaned and checked (which, yes, is on the armorer, but we don’t yet know the sequence of events here).
This gun had misfired multiple times on set already. That’s a huge red flag. Likely it was still being used because they did not want to either reshoot prior scenes with a new gun, or switch guns midway through shooting without explanation (lots of eagle eyed viewers would notice).
The reason the industry does not just use rubber weapons and add the rest in post is that it is much, much cheaper to film a live gun (CGI is expensive) and because many filmmakers believe in certain authenticity in filming. That obviously pales in importance when compared to a human life. However, do not assume they will suddenly get rid of guns on set because of this. By all accounts, this set was not following safety protocol at all. It is possible to have a safe set with guns. This was not safe.
I agree with everything this poster said.
We need to, and we will, as costs go down, use more CGI. But for right now, we need to continue to enforce safe gun use on sets.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 08:18
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:New national rule needed - the only Head Armourer on set can be a licensed professional with 10 years experience or a 5-year background in military or private security or law enforcement.
If that 24-year-olds father had been hired - this never would have happened. He's a legend and a professional.
I think the actual rule needed is no live ammo and no blanks.
If they can add space ships and dinosaurs with technology, then I’m confident they can add gun shot effects.
Geez.
All the headlines today are finally asking the obvious question: wtf was live ammo doing on the set?!?!
I truly cannot emphasize this enough: a blank is considered a live round on a film set, because it poses a risk. “Live ammo” (ie bullets) are not allowed in sets and there is no evidence there was live ammo on this set.
I still don’t think we know that the gun had an actual blank in it. It may have had debris in it from when previously fired, if not properly cleaned and checked (which, yes, is on the armorer, but we don’t yet know the sequence of events here).
This gun had misfired multiple times on set already. That’s a huge red flag. Likely it was still being used because they did not want to either reshoot prior scenes with a new gun, or switch guns midway through shooting without explanation (lots of eagle eyed viewers would notice).
The reason the industry does not just use rubber weapons and add the rest in post is that it is much, much cheaper to film a live gun (CGI is expensive) and because many filmmakers believe in certain authenticity in filming. That obviously pales in importance when compared to a human life. However, do not assume they will suddenly get rid of guns on set because of this. By all accounts, this set was not following safety protocol at all. It is possible to have a safe set with guns. This was not safe.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 08:15
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Baldwin hired a 'head armorer' who didn't even know how to load a blank properly. She's the one that loaded three guns ready for the shoot and the live one was handed off to the Assistant Director who gave it to Alec Baldwin.
I almost didn't take the job because I wasn't sure if I was ready, but doing it, it went really smoothly,' Hannah Gutierrez-Reed said in a podcast interview last month after leading the firearms department for The Old Way, starring Nicolas Cage - her first time as head armorer.
She also admitted in the podcast interview she found loading blanks into a gun 'the scariest' thing because she did not know how to do it and had sought help from her father, legendary gunsmith Thell Reed, to get over the fear.
Hannah Gutierrez-Reed
Do we know for sure that Baldwin hired her or are you speculating? He’s one of many producers.
DP. This PP has no idea what they are talking about.
She was completely unqualified for this role. Period.
Her only prior role was 'lead armourer' for a Nicholas Cage film (also in 2021), hello daddy, and prior to that - a PA. In other words she fetched coffee all day for the crew. Here's her audio admitting that one month ago.
She boasts its a 'badass way to start a long career'.
https://www.stitcher.com/show/voices-of-the-west-2/episode/armorer-hannah-reed-9-11-21-86728439
Anonymous
10/23/2021 08:10
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
From the LA Times article:
“ The actor was preparing to film a scene in which he pulls a gun out of a holster, according to a source close to the production. Crew members had already shouted “cold gun” on the set. The filmmaking team was lining up its camera angles and had yet to retreat to the video village, an on-set area where the crew gathers to watch filming from a distance via a monitor.
Instead, the B-camera operator was on a dolly with a monitor, checking out the potential shots. Hutchins was also looking at the monitor from over the operator’s shoulder, as was the movie’s director, Joel Souza, who was crouching just behind her.
Baldwin removed the gun from its holster once without incident, but the second time he did so, ammunition flew toward the trio around the monitor. The projectile whizzed by the camera operator but penetrated Hutchins near her shoulder, then continued through to Souza. Hutchins immediately fell to the ground as crew members applied pressure to her wound in an attempt to stop the bleeding.”
So it doesn’t sound like he was pointing it at them
“ The actor was preparing to film a scene in which he pulls a gun out of a holster, according to a source close to the production. Crew members had already shouted “cold gun” on the set. The filmmaking team was lining up its camera angles and had yet to retreat to the video village, an on-set area where the crew gathers to watch filming from a distance via a monitor.
Instead, the B-camera operator was on a dolly with a monitor, checking out the potential shots. Hutchins was also looking at the monitor from over the operator’s shoulder, as was the movie’s director, Joel Souza, who was crouching just behind her.
Baldwin removed the gun from its holster once without incident, but the second time he did so, ammunition flew toward the trio around the monitor. The projectile whizzed by the camera operator but penetrated Hutchins near her shoulder, then continued through to Souza. Hutchins immediately fell to the ground as crew members applied pressure to her wound in an attempt to stop the bleeding.”
So it doesn’t sound like he was pointing it at them