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Anonymous wrote:I take issue with "the majority of DCPS parents". There's no way of knowing that. It's not like we were polled periodically in the pandemic.

yep. and some very good research showed that parental opinion was swayed by the messages they got from their school being opened or closed. WTU playing on and amplifying these parental fears (both through their rhetoric and keeping schools closed) was unforgivable.

I’m sorry you don’t like that black parents and teacher trust each other.

The research wasn't about just DC, by the way, and it wasn't about just Black parents and teachers. Also, less than half of DC teachers are Black. But thanks for looking at it with that lens to heighten the politicization!

Not sure where you get your data from but half of DC’s teachers are black. Well DCPS, I don’t care about charters.

And please be specific next time. Most people will assume you’re talking about DC, since you know this is a dc public schools forum.

Technically slightly less than half: https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS-Fast-Facts-2019-20.pdf

The point is, your characterization of the situation is off base, and only meant to instigate division.

There is certainly a division and it’s mostly racial. But true it can also be based on SES.

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Anonymous wrote:I take issue with "the majority of DCPS parents". There's no way of knowing that. It's not like we were polled periodically in the pandemic.

yep. and some very good research showed that parental opinion was swayed by the messages they got from their school being opened or closed. WTU playing on and amplifying these parental fears (both through their rhetoric and keeping schools closed) was unforgivable.

I’m sorry you don’t like that black parents and teacher trust each other.

The research wasn't about just DC, by the way, and it wasn't about just Black parents and teachers. Also, less than half of DC teachers are Black. But thanks for looking at it with that lens to heighten the politicization!

Not sure where you get your data from but half of DC’s teachers are black. Well DCPS, I don’t care about charters.

And please be specific next time. Most people will assume you’re talking about DC, since you know this is a dc public schools forum.

Technically slightly less than half: https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS-Fast-Facts-2019-20.pdf

The point is, your characterization of the situation is off base, and only meant to instigate division.

+1. Also the black DCPS parents who trust the teachers are doing so to their own detriment - just look at how abysmal their kids' test scores are. I'll stop myself here before getting into my diatribe about how the poorer black community's tendency to see teacher as authority figures and not to question them is a holdover from slavery/racism and helps keep them down by not demanding more for their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I take issue with "the majority of DCPS parents". There's no way of knowing that. It's not like we were polled periodically in the pandemic.

yep. and some very good research showed that parental opinion was swayed by the messages they got from their school being opened or closed. WTU playing on and amplifying these parental fears (both through their rhetoric and keeping schools closed) was unforgivable.

I’m sorry you don’t like that black parents and teacher trust each other.

The research wasn't about just DC, by the way, and it wasn't about just Black parents and teachers. Also, less than half of DC teachers are Black. But thanks for looking at it with that lens to heighten the politicization!

Not sure where you get your data from but half of DC’s teachers are black. Well DCPS, I don’t care about charters.

And please be specific next time. Most people will assume you’re talking about DC, since you know this is a dc public schools forum.

Technically slightly less than half: https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS-Fast-Facts-2019-20.pdf

The point is, your characterization of the situation is off base, and only meant to instigate division.

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Anonymous wrote:I take issue with "the majority of DCPS parents". There's no way of knowing that. It's not like we were polled periodically in the pandemic.

yep. and some very good research showed that parental opinion was swayed by the messages they got from their school being opened or closed. WTU playing on and amplifying these parental fears (both through their rhetoric and keeping schools closed) was unforgivable.

I’m sorry you don’t like that black parents and teacher trust each other.

The research wasn't about just DC, by the way, and it wasn't about just Black parents and teachers. Also, less than half of DC teachers are Black. But thanks for looking at it with that lens to heighten the politicization!

Not sure where you get your data from but half of DC’s teachers are black. Well DCPS, I don’t care about charters.

And please be specific next time. Most people will assume you’re talking about DC, since you know this is a dc public schools forum.

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Anonymous wrote:I take issue with "the majority of DCPS parents". There's no way of knowing that. It's not like we were polled periodically in the pandemic.

yep. and some very good research showed that parental opinion was swayed by the messages they got from their school being opened or closed. WTU playing on and amplifying these parental fears (both through their rhetoric and keeping schools closed) was unforgivable.

I’m sorry you don’t like that black parents and teacher trust each other.

The research wasn't about just DC, by the way, and it wasn't about just Black parents and teachers. Also, less than half of DC teachers are Black. But thanks for looking at it with that lens to heighten the politicization!

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Anonymous wrote:I take issue with "the majority of DCPS parents". There's no way of knowing that. It's not like we were polled periodically in the pandemic.

yep. and some very good research showed that parental opinion was swayed by the messages they got from their school being opened or closed. WTU playing on and amplifying these parental fears (both through their rhetoric and keeping schools closed) was unforgivable.

I’m sorry you don’t like that black parents and teacher trust each other.

I have to say that I am disgusted with Robert White and this push to end mayoral control. As many speakers pointed out, changing the governance structure NOW, when schools are still having to negotiate the pandemic, would have massive repercussions on school functioning, and would likely hurt education for kids. People went on about problems with schools, but no one tried to say how changing governance would change those problems. It all seems like a ploy to empower the organization-that-shall-not-be-named.

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Anonymous wrote:While y'all continue to echo off each other here, the Council is hearing a wide majority of witness in favor of changing the governance structure.

Idk the guy talking right now is supporting mayoral control and calling what it used to be "a mess".

And the next person testifying also support mayoral control.

Also the woman from Georgetown who has done research on DC schools is supporting mayoral control.....

I submitted detailed written testimony in favor of mayoral control. I’m sure I’m not the only parent.

So did I.

I sure hope WTU is enjoying the chickens coming home to roost. Pre-pandemic this never would have been on my radar. Now I woke up early in the morning to write a detailed bill analysis to make sure WTU never gets any more power than it has.

This is so funny to me. You think the current system is a mess, and yet you are loudly proclaiming that we should keep it.

No, I think WTU should be even more marginalized than it is, since it fought the mayor to keep schools closed. Do you not realize that I actually read the bills? Is your level of reasoning “schools bad, we need school board!”

I don't think my students teachers should have workplace protections, because I disagree with their policies

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I don't see the strawman. I see bolded points saying exactly that

nope. one is saying "i don't want wtu to have more power/should have less power" and you're claiming that's the same as "teacher should not have workplace protections"

anyone intelligent can see that this is taking a relative statement and turning it into a wildly hyperbolic absolute statement.

Anonymous wrote:I take issue with "the majority of DCPS parents". There's no way of knowing that. It's not like we were polled periodically in the pandemic.

yep. and some very good research showed that parental opinion was swayed by the messages they got from their school being opened or closed. WTU playing on and amplifying these parental fears (both through their rhetoric and keeping schools closed) was unforgivable.

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Anonymous wrote:While y'all continue to echo off each other here, the Council is hearing a wide majority of witness in favor of changing the governance structure.

Idk the guy talking right now is supporting mayoral control and calling what it used to be "a mess".

And the next person testifying also support mayoral control.

Also the woman from Georgetown who has done research on DC schools is supporting mayoral control.....

I submitted detailed written testimony in favor of mayoral control. I’m sure I’m not the only parent.

So did I.

I sure hope WTU is enjoying the chickens coming home to roost. Pre-pandemic this never would have been on my radar. Now I woke up early in the morning to write a detailed bill analysis to make sure WTU never gets any more power than it has.

This is so funny to me. You think the current system is a mess, and yet you are loudly proclaiming that we should keep it.

No, I think WTU should be even more marginalized than it is, since it fought the mayor to keep schools closed. Do you not realize that I actually read the bills? Is your level of reasoning “schools bad, we need school board!”

I don't think my students teachers should have workplace protections, because I disagree with their policies

strawman

I don't see the strawman. I see bolded points saying exactly that

let me make it easier for you. wanting to prevent WTU from having too much power does not logically mean that I want no workplace protections. The dispute about closing schools is far more than a policy disagreement.

I think the WTU policies on reopening (which aligned with principals, the SBOE, and a majority of DCPS parents) led to a safer reopening, a more collaborative process (RCC's), and an opportunity for teachers to get vaccinated faster. You disagree with their policy and wanted the Mayor and her appointed Chancellor to do as they wished without consequence or input.

These are two different policies; we have different opinions.

And I think you’re wrong. WTU policies did not align with the majority of parents or the available evidence. The whole reason we have an administrative state is so that experts can make decisions based on expertise; not based on who can shout the loudest and who can make people the most worked up and fearful.

The people giving commentary about why DC schools should be under SBOE control aren't really making a case about how things would change. If they would say HOW it would make a much stronger argument.

On the flip side, the people saying we shouldn't end mayoral control are making strong arguments about what shifting governance would do that would hurt education.

Man I am beginning to hate Robert White.

I take issue with "the majority of DCPS parents". There's no way of knowing that. It's not like we were polled periodically in the pandemic.

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Anonymous wrote:While y'all continue to echo off each other here, the Council is hearing a wide majority of witness in favor of changing the governance structure.

Idk the guy talking right now is supporting mayoral control and calling what it used to be "a mess".

And the next person testifying also support mayoral control.

Also the woman from Georgetown who has done research on DC schools is supporting mayoral control.....

I submitted detailed written testimony in favor of mayoral control. I’m sure I’m not the only parent.

So did I.

I sure hope WTU is enjoying the chickens coming home to roost. Pre-pandemic this never would have been on my radar. Now I woke up early in the morning to write a detailed bill analysis to make sure WTU never gets any more power than it has.

This is so funny to me. You think the current system is a mess, and yet you are loudly proclaiming that we should keep it.

No, I think WTU should be even more marginalized than it is, since it fought the mayor to keep schools closed. Do you not realize that I actually read the bills? Is your level of reasoning “schools bad, we need school board!”

I don't think my students teachers should have workplace protections, because I disagree with their policies

strawman

I don't see the strawman. I see bolded points saying exactly that

let me make it easier for you. wanting to prevent WTU from having too much power does not logically mean that I want no workplace protections. The dispute about closing schools is far more than a policy disagreement.

I think the WTU policies on reopening (which aligned with principals, the SBOE, and a majority of DCPS parents) led to a safer reopening, a more collaborative process (RCC's), and an opportunity for teachers to get vaccinated faster. You disagree with their policy and wanted the Mayor and her appointed Chancellor to do as they wished without consequence or input.

These are two different policies; we have different opinions.

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Anonymous wrote:While y'all continue to echo off each other here, the Council is hearing a wide majority of witness in favor of changing the governance structure.

Idk the guy talking right now is supporting mayoral control and calling what it used to be "a mess".

And the next person testifying also support mayoral control.

Also the woman from Georgetown who has done research on DC schools is supporting mayoral control.....

I submitted detailed written testimony in favor of mayoral control. I’m sure I’m not the only parent.

So did I.

I sure hope WTU is enjoying the chickens coming home to roost. Pre-pandemic this never would have been on my radar. Now I woke up early in the morning to write a detailed bill analysis to make sure WTU never gets any more power than it has.

This is so funny to me. You think the current system is a mess, and yet you are loudly proclaiming that we should keep it.

No, I think WTU should be even more marginalized than it is, since it fought the mayor to keep schools closed. Do you not realize that I actually read the bills? Is your level of reasoning “schools bad, we need school board!”

I don't think my students teachers should have workplace protections, because I disagree with their policies

strawman

I don't see the strawman. I see bolded points saying exactly that

let me make it easier for you. wanting to prevent WTU from having too much power does not logically mean that I want no workplace protections. The dispute about closing schools is far more than a policy disagreement.

every person but one that I have seen is for maintaining mayoral control:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL35jVUKctA

(Note: who knows how long that youtube channel will work; my experience with COW hearing videos is that the work for a while and then it's like they taped over with the next hearing)