Anonymous
09/26/2021 13:25
Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
What is the likelihood that the public will ever be told what happened here?
Anonymous
09/26/2021 13:18
Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any autopsy findings would be impacted by how long the bodies were on the trail in high heat. HS is often a finding of exclusion, particularly when there are no witnesses, which is why there will not be a finding until all of the tox reports are back.
Finally, a rational statement from someone.
I’m pretty sure this statement was made in the first few pages of this thread. And dozens of times since then. It’s you folks who have jumped over here from WS or wherever who are just now realizing this.
Anonymous
09/26/2021 13:14
Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:Any autopsy findings would be impacted by how long the bodies were on the trail in high heat. HS is often a finding of exclusion, particularly when there are no witnesses, which is why there will not be a finding until all of the tox reports are back.
Finally, a rational statement from someone.
Anonymous
09/26/2021 12:57
Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Putting Ellen aside for a moment, why did Jon take his 12 month old on a hike in 109+ degree heat in an area with no shade?
By all accounts he was a doting dad, so he does not seem to be a FA or to be in on a M/S plot. He was the one who strapped the baby on his back and hiked miles for hours in the heat.
Seems to have overestimated his capability and underestimated the power of Nature and the effects of heat. As have so many, this summer, particularly. Tragic.
They had underestimated risks hiking before, EC joked about "all the gear and no idear" when they had a close call due to altitude, prior to becoming parents. They did not have a history of being overly cautious.
There was a heat warning, it had been 105 the day before and there was an air quality warning. Extreme temps are dangerous for the very young and elderly in particular.
https://www.newkidscenter.org/Heat-Stroke-In-Babies.html
There is no sign whatsoever that the person who packed the baby into the canyon on his back wished to harm her, seems to be a combo of ignorance about conditions in Devil's Gulch and arrogance about his hiking prowess. Tragic accident in all likelihood.
The temperature is a fact, not speculation. Gerrish was much larger than his wife and no weapon was found, he was not forced down the trail. His own feet of his own volition took him down into that deep canyon. His senses would have felt the heat and seen the depth and the burned out trees. The responsibility for that can only rest solely on him. And, since he was said to be a loving father, we have no evidence of ill intent by him toward the baby.
Gossip about Ellen does not obviate his own actions. He wore the baby in every photo and the carrier was found next to him. It is very likely he was wearing her that day, and carried her down the steep trail. Unfortunately and possibly due to his age and size he was not able to get up the steep trail again. His own actions, independent of anything posters claim EC wanted to do, put the life of the baby at risk, as well as his own. Very large people do not discharge heat as well, esp if they are packing a decent % of their own body weight and exerting themselves in a steep uphill climb. He had posted about enjoying steep climbs (like Kreycik liked running up steep trails), this time, the conditions in the microclimate were too much. Like Kreycik, he was overcome with heat exhaustion, sat down and did not get up again. Nothing Ellen could have done or not done would have made 109+ safe for the baby or the dog. And Jon literally carried the baby down and only part way up. Shrieking about her, her nanny, her dog walker, her naps, etc, does not change his indisputable actions that day or of the biological reality re: infants and high temperatures.
Valid points. They did begin their hike around 8, correct? So they could have been done by noon? Would the early, cooler temps been okay, or not? I think both theories are good. It could be either or neither.
Who is shrieking. Wtf is wrong with you?
The thing is, he would have realized soon into the hike that there was no shade, it was very hot, and they were walking into the canyon (so duh, they will have to walk out and it’s only getting hotter).
So it’s not just that the hike was ill conceived-I can understand that. Can’t understand not ascertaining the obvious danger once he was on the trail.
Anonymous
09/26/2021 12:21
Subject: What happened to this California family?
Any autopsy findings would be impacted by how long the bodies were on the trail in high heat. HS is often a finding of exclusion, particularly when there are no witnesses, which is why there will not be a finding until all of the tox reports are back.
Anonymous
09/26/2021 12:19
Subject: What happened to this California family?
Putting Ellen aside for a moment, why did Jon take his 12 month old on a hike in 109+ degree heat in an area with no shade?
By all accounts he was a doting dad, so he does not seem to be a FA or to be in on a M/S plot. He was the one who strapped the baby on his back and hiked miles for hours in the heat.
Seems to have overestimated his capability and underestimated the power of Nature and the effects of heat. As have so many, this summer, particularly. Tragic.
They had underestimated risks hiking before, EC joked about "all the gear and no idear" when they had a close call due to altitude, prior to becoming parents. They did not have a history of being overly cautious.
There was a heat warning, it had been 105 the day before and there was an air quality warning. Extreme temps are dangerous for the very young and elderly in particular.
https://www.newkidscenter.org/Heat-Stroke-In-Babies.html
There is no sign whatsoever that the person who packed the baby into the canyon on his back wished to harm her, seems to be a combo of ignorance about conditions in Devil's Gulch and arrogance about his hiking prowess. Tragic accident in all likelihood.
The temperature is a fact, not speculation. Gerrish was much larger than his wife and no weapon was found, he was not forced down the trail. His own feet of his own volition took him down into that deep canyon. His senses would have felt the heat and seen the depth and the burned out trees. The responsibility for that can only rest solely on him. And, since he was said to be a loving father, we have no evidence of ill intent by him toward the baby.
Gossip about Ellen does not obviate his own actions. He wore the baby in every photo and the carrier was found next to him. It is very likely he was wearing her that day, and carried her down the steep trail. Unfortunately and possibly due to his age and size he was not able to get up the steep trail again. His own actions, independent of anything posters claim EC wanted to do, put the life of the baby at risk, as well as his own. Very large people do not discharge heat as well, esp if they are packing a decent % of their own body weight and exerting themselves in a steep uphill climb. He had posted about enjoying steep climbs (like Kreycik liked running up steep trails), this time, the conditions in the microclimate were too much. Like Kreycik, he was overcome with heat exhaustion, sat down and did not get up again. Nothing Ellen could have done or not done would have made 109+ safe for the baby or the dog. And Jon literally carried the baby down and only part way up. Shrieking about her, her nanny, her dog walker, her naps, etc, does not change his indisputable actions that day or of the biological reality re: infants and high temperatures.
By all accounts he was a doting dad, so he does not seem to be a FA or to be in on a M/S plot. He was the one who strapped the baby on his back and hiked miles for hours in the heat.
Seems to have overestimated his capability and underestimated the power of Nature and the effects of heat. As have so many, this summer, particularly. Tragic.
They had underestimated risks hiking before, EC joked about "all the gear and no idear" when they had a close call due to altitude, prior to becoming parents. They did not have a history of being overly cautious.
There was a heat warning, it had been 105 the day before and there was an air quality warning. Extreme temps are dangerous for the very young and elderly in particular.
https://www.newkidscenter.org/Heat-Stroke-In-Babies.html
There is no sign whatsoever that the person who packed the baby into the canyon on his back wished to harm her, seems to be a combo of ignorance about conditions in Devil's Gulch and arrogance about his hiking prowess. Tragic accident in all likelihood.
The temperature is a fact, not speculation. Gerrish was much larger than his wife and no weapon was found, he was not forced down the trail. His own feet of his own volition took him down into that deep canyon. His senses would have felt the heat and seen the depth and the burned out trees. The responsibility for that can only rest solely on him. And, since he was said to be a loving father, we have no evidence of ill intent by him toward the baby.
Gossip about Ellen does not obviate his own actions. He wore the baby in every photo and the carrier was found next to him. It is very likely he was wearing her that day, and carried her down the steep trail. Unfortunately and possibly due to his age and size he was not able to get up the steep trail again. His own actions, independent of anything posters claim EC wanted to do, put the life of the baby at risk, as well as his own. Very large people do not discharge heat as well, esp if they are packing a decent % of their own body weight and exerting themselves in a steep uphill climb. He had posted about enjoying steep climbs (like Kreycik liked running up steep trails), this time, the conditions in the microclimate were too much. Like Kreycik, he was overcome with heat exhaustion, sat down and did not get up again. Nothing Ellen could have done or not done would have made 109+ safe for the baby or the dog. And Jon literally carried the baby down and only part way up. Shrieking about her, her nanny, her dog walker, her naps, etc, does not change his indisputable actions that day or of the biological reality re: infants and high temperatures.
Anonymous
09/26/2021 09:00
Subject: What happened to this California family?
Maybe the brother meant, "yeah, they were always doing extreme outdoorsy things and I wondered about how safe it was..."
If he said such a thing at all, which I highly doubt given the poster. Screenshots or you made it up.
If he said such a thing at all, which I highly doubt given the poster. Screenshots or you made it up.
Anonymous
09/26/2021 08:53
Subject: What happened to this California family?
The latest fantasy story, that someone knew of an intent to commit FA and did nothing, that tiny EC manhandled large and heavy JG into a seated position after death, etc, have completely jumped the shark. If there was a block button no one would be reading this poster.
What a nutter and talk about projection...desperately trying to get attention from strangers by using the tragic deaths of a family. Regardless of what happened to them, sick and pathetic.
What a nutter and talk about projection...desperately trying to get attention from strangers by using the tragic deaths of a family. Regardless of what happened to them, sick and pathetic.
Anonymous
09/25/2021 21:50
Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
NP.
I’ll wait for something from law enforcement. The Mariposa Sheriff’s Office does a monthly Facebook Live video update “Inside the office with Sheriff Jeremy Briese”. The last one was on Sept 2, so hopefully in the October talk, the sheriff has some new information to share.
I’ll wait for something from law enforcement. The Mariposa Sheriff’s Office does a monthly Facebook Live video update “Inside the office with Sheriff Jeremy Briese”. The last one was on Sept 2, so hopefully in the October talk, the sheriff has some new information to share.
Anonymous
09/25/2021 19:53
Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
Actually I saw her Instagram before it was locked. The posts dated back to at LEAST 2016 but no wedding ceremony or traditional bridal photos. So the eloping guess could be right.
Anonymous
09/25/2021 14:42
Subject: What happened to this California family?
Why did he research that trail the day before and not take the posts on All Trails re: the heat in Devil's Gulch canyon into consideration? Particularly since many were from spring hikes? Why did he not post on the Mariposa Trails FB group he was a member of and ask about hiking HC/SL loop that weekend? Or ask suggestions as to where to hike with the heat warning and air quality advisory? He must not have been all that concerned about the warnings, perhaps a tragic error. After the deaths, locals on that FB group said they would not/did not hike that trail in August, supported by the fact that no one came upon them for days. He did not ask because he thought he had all the knowledge and experience he needed, from the app, yet his judgment re: the situation was flawed.
Regardless of anything she may or may not have done, he planned ahead of time to be on that trail, in those conditions, with the dog and baby. Seems a tragic miscalculation, Kreycik was trying to fit in a run before he met his family, not kill himself. People make mistakes and sometimes the consequences are huge esp when heat is involved and help is inaccessible.
Gerrish picked that trail, read up on it the day before and despite the heat warning, reviews re: heat in the canyon and weather forecast, he put the baby in a backpack on his back and hiked down the trail. With the algae caution not the best time for the dog or baby to swim to cool off, they had a lovely pool at home, alas. And what goes down into a deep canyon has to come up the steep trail and all trails out were steep. No one dropped them from an alien ship or held a gun to their heads and marched them down the trail. His wife was not the one reading up on the trail the day before, he was. Mistakes were made and the outcome is very sad. Regardless of any other findings, he knowingly and with intent hiked with the baby on his back down into Devil's Gulch, when it had been 105 the day before.
Are you the poster who claimed Ellen slept all day, with no basis?
Absent a finding from LE that may not even be possible given how long the bodies were on the trail, it seems to be a family outing gone wrong.
Regardless of anything she may or may not have done, he planned ahead of time to be on that trail, in those conditions, with the dog and baby. Seems a tragic miscalculation, Kreycik was trying to fit in a run before he met his family, not kill himself. People make mistakes and sometimes the consequences are huge esp when heat is involved and help is inaccessible.
Gerrish picked that trail, read up on it the day before and despite the heat warning, reviews re: heat in the canyon and weather forecast, he put the baby in a backpack on his back and hiked down the trail. With the algae caution not the best time for the dog or baby to swim to cool off, they had a lovely pool at home, alas. And what goes down into a deep canyon has to come up the steep trail and all trails out were steep. No one dropped them from an alien ship or held a gun to their heads and marched them down the trail. His wife was not the one reading up on the trail the day before, he was. Mistakes were made and the outcome is very sad. Regardless of any other findings, he knowingly and with intent hiked with the baby on his back down into Devil's Gulch, when it had been 105 the day before.
Are you the poster who claimed Ellen slept all day, with no basis?
Absent a finding from LE that may not even be possible given how long the bodies were on the trail, it seems to be a family outing gone wrong.
Anonymous
09/25/2021 14:04
Subject: What happened to this California family?
There would be a LE press conference with findings before the family makes some statement re: separately burying 2 of the 3. Time will tell if that is even what happens.
Anonymous
09/25/2021 13:30
Subject: What happened to this California family?
If the doula could not opine about why Gerrish searched for info re the trail the day before, how about the photographer? Did he or she have insight re: that?
Anonymous
09/25/2021 13:02
Subject: What happened to this California family?
What did the doula have to say about why Gerrish researched that trail in particular?
Anonymous
09/24/2021 11:13
Subject: What happened to this California family?
It would appear not, since complete tox results have yet to be released.