Anonymous
05/14/2022 14:21
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just curious........
If a pregnant woman is murdered, the majority of states will charge the criminal with TWO homicides.
The majority of states have fetal homicide laws.
If the unborn has no rights, why is this the case?
https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx
I dunno, maybe to give the deadbeat abusive men a little more incentive to not kill their pregnant wives or girlfriends? Pregnancy is one of the most dangerous times in an abused woman’s life- second only to when she tries to leave.
This ^
It’s about violence to vulnerable women. Which ironically will increase if Dobbs becomes law.
It’s all an assault on women, a violation of their body.
Forced birthers are no better than rapists.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 13:37
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just curious........
If a pregnant woman is murdered, the majority of states will charge the criminal with TWO homicides.
The majority of states have fetal homicide laws.
If the unborn has no rights, why is this the case?
https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx
Some of these laws were passed by forced birthers to lay the foundation for people like you to one day undermine abortion rights...
Why don't you share what happens during an abortion. Stick to facts.
A pregnancy miscarries. Happens all the time, but in the case of abortion it is assisted. Abortion is safe and humane. Birth is probably more traumatic and painful for an infant.
Your omission as to what happens is duly noted.
? What did i omit? The manner in which abortions are performed varies depending on the stage of pregnancy. What exactly do you want to know about?
Anonymous
05/14/2022 13:35
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:15 weeks
No restrictions
No waiting
Easy access
Affordable
After 15 weeks - rape/incest/life of mother or fetus
Dr. is given broad discretion to use best medical practices.
I’m hard core pro-choice and could live with this
But this country has a long way to go to get abortion access to women everywhere. Later abortions are happening because of all the roadblocks republicans have erected.
I’d also like to see verbiage for free birth control and better sex education. I had excellent sex education growing up and I think it really made a difference.
I live in California and this would be more restrictive than what we currently have. If you've never had genetic testing come back at 20w and scrambled to get your MFM appointment before the abortion cut off in your state so that you would have options, please don't negotiate away the rest of our rights.
I would not support any bill that was more restrictive than Roe and that removed discretion for states. The WHPA is a good compromise...but people want Democrats to start off with a bill that their base doesn't support. No thank you.
Baseline, not a ceiling. I was just suggesting a bill that might actually pass. That’s all.
I agree 20 weeks is better.
Also: most people don’t understand what Roe even means. Democrats need to educate the public. The forced birthers have been lying for 40
Years. People now believe the lies.
15 weeks isn't any more likely to get 60 votes than 20 weeks, viability, or 40 weeks. None of them can ge 60 in the Senate. Meanwhile if 15 weeks is proposed then that becomes the new baseline negotiating position.
Find the 8 extra Senators that are willing to pass anything first. There's currently only 51 + Manchin potentially interested in anything.
Exactly. 15 weeks is just some arbitrary line. Stick with viability.
That is the gestational age where a fetus can feel pain. Science and all that.
JFC you people with your never ending stream of bullsh!t. Also, the electric signals that the ultrasound picks up at six weeks are not a “heartbeat,” since an embryo at that stage doesn’t have a fully formed heart.
Ok, so when do you think a fetus can feel pain?
They don't want to answer that question. They respond by deflecting or denying.
It has no brain and is not sentient. So who cares?
At some point before birth it has a brain, no? I’m pro-choice but would not be opposed to a heightened standard of some sort after the point that pain can be felt. To the PP that said if it’s not in my body, it’s not my business, how would you feel about a newborn being murdered. It’s not in your house, so it’s not your business right? I think those of you who won’t even acknowledge that there might be pain to a late term fetus that must be dismembered to be aborted are just as bad as those on the other extreme end of the spectrum.
Which late-term fetuses are being aborted? The ones without brains? The ones with devastating (painful) defects?
https://www.npr.org/2006/02/21/5168163/partial-birth-abortion-separating-fact-from-spin
This article (though a bit old) was a fact checking article by NPR on “partial birth” abortions. This quote implies that all such abortions are not only performed on severely defective fetuses:
“Under what health circumstances are D&X abortions performed?
There is currently no statistical information available on why "dilation and extraction" abortions are performed.
In a widely-publicized interview with The New York Times in 1997, Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, estimated that in the majority of cases, the procedure is performed on a healthy mother and healthy fetus that is 20 weeks or more along in development.”
If anyone has more recent information that contradicts this, I would be very interested in seeing it.
D&E is 2nd trimester, not “late term”.
D&E refers to dilation and evacuation. The quote above is talking about dilation and extraction (also known as partial birth abortion).
“Partial birth” isn’t a thing.
And 2nd trimester isn’t “late term”.
Did you read the linked NPR article? The fetus is in fact partially delivered and it’s not limited to 2nd trimester.
“Two abortion physicians, one in Ohio and one in California, independently developed variations on the method by extracting the fetus intact. The Ohio physician, Martin Haskell, called his method "dilation and extraction," or D&X. It involved dilating the woman's cervix, then pulling the fetus through it feet first until only the head remained inside. Using scissors or another sharp instrument, the head was then punctured, and the skull compressed, so it, too, could fit through the dilated cervix.”
I’m not even saying this should be completely banned. But it doesn’t help the pro-choice movement to sugarcoat facts.
the only fact that matter is that if it isn't your body, it is not your business. If you don't want this procedure, then don't get one.
Sorry but people get to have opinions on things that might not affect them personally. I’m sure in the course of your life you have also had opinions about things that don’t impact you personally.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 13:34
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just curious........
If a pregnant woman is murdered, the majority of states will charge the criminal with TWO homicides.
The majority of states have fetal homicide laws.
If the unborn has no rights, why is this the case?
https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx
Some of these laws were passed by forced birthers to lay the foundation for people like you to one day undermine abortion rights...
Why don't you share what happens during an abortion. Stick to facts.
A pregnancy miscarries. Happens all the time, but in the case of abortion it is assisted. Abortion is safe and humane. Birth is probably more traumatic and painful for an infant.
Your omission as to what happens is duly noted.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 13:32
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Just curious........
If a pregnant woman is murdered, the majority of states will charge the criminal with TWO homicides.
The majority of states have fetal homicide laws.
If the unborn has no rights, why is this the case?
https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx
Read your own link. States have a bunch of different laws, not the same law or the same standard. None of that applies to abortions.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 13:26
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:
I will agree that these law students do not respect human rights or the right to free speech. Very scary what we have coming up through law schools right now.
You mean the ones whining that people are using their speech to oppose their anti-human rights and unconstitutional views? Yeah, they are scary little fascists.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 13:24
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just curious........
If a pregnant woman is murdered, the majority of states will charge the criminal with TWO homicides.
The majority of states have fetal homicide laws.
If the unborn has no rights, why is this the case?
https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx
Some of these laws were passed by forced birthers to lay the foundation for people like you to one day undermine abortion rights...
Why don't you share what happens during an abortion. Stick to facts.
A pregnancy miscarries. Happens all the time, but in the case of abortion it is assisted. Abortion is safe and humane. Birth is probably more traumatic and painful for an infant.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 13:22
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just curious........
If a pregnant woman is murdered, the majority of states will charge the criminal with TWO homicides.
The majority of states have fetal homicide laws.
If the unborn has no rights, why is this the case?
https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx
I dunno, maybe to give the deadbeat abusive men a little more incentive to not kill their pregnant wives or girlfriends? Pregnancy is one of the most dangerous times in an abused woman’s life- second only to when she tries to leave.
This ^
It’s about violence to vulnerable women. Which ironically will increase if Dobbs becomes law.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 13:20
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Just curious........
If a pregnant woman is murdered, the majority of states will charge the criminal with TWO homicides.
The majority of states have fetal homicide laws.
If the unborn has no rights, why is this the case?
https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx
It doesn’t matter. The holding in Dobbs isn’t about rights.
It’s about the state determining whether a pregnant woman had any right at all to decide whether to carry a pregnancy to term. It would allow states to ban abortion in every single case. Would you like to know what happens when women cannot access medically necessary abortion? The Court says they have no rights. None.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 13:15
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just curious........
If a pregnant woman is murdered, the majority of states will charge the criminal with TWO homicides.
The majority of states have fetal homicide laws.
If the unborn has no rights, why is this the case?
https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx
Some of these laws were passed by forced birthers to lay the foundation for people like you to one day undermine abortion rights...
Why don't you share what happens during an abortion. Stick to facts.
Tissue that can't survive outside the patient's body is removed. That's what happens during a medical procedure called abortion.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 13:05
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just curious........
If a pregnant woman is murdered, the majority of states will charge the criminal with TWO homicides.
The majority of states have fetal homicide laws.
If the unborn has no rights, why is this the case?
https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx
Some of these laws were passed by forced birthers to lay the foundation for people like you to one day undermine abortion rights...
Why don't you share what happens during an abortion. Stick to facts.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 13:05
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Just curious........
If a pregnant woman is murdered, the majority of states will charge the criminal with TWO homicides.
The majority of states have fetal homicide laws.
If the unborn has no rights, why is this the case?
https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx
I dunno, maybe to give the deadbeat abusive men a little more incentive to not kill their pregnant wives or girlfriends? Pregnancy is one of the most dangerous times in an abused woman’s life- second only to when she tries to leave.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 13:04
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Just curious........
If a pregnant woman is murdered, the majority of states will charge the criminal with TWO homicides.
The majority of states have fetal homicide laws.
If the unborn has no rights, why is this the case?
https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx
Some of these laws were passed by forced birthers to lay the foundation for people like you to one day undermine abortion rights...
Anonymous
05/14/2022 12:58
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
I will agree that these law students do not respect human rights or the right to free speech. Very scary what we have coming up through law schools right now.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 12:57
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Free speech.
If I ever see Alito in person I will scream at him until his ears bleed.
Alito is now the new Hitler, the new Mussolini.
I will not have my liberty downgraded because he is a sexist pig.
I will not be willingly enslaved.