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Anonymous wrote:She was isolated because they lived in a forest, 20 miles from the nearest town, the one with the whopping population of 1,800.

Her friends were in the city and I do not think many if any would have had babies at 30. She was going to school remotely. Jon had prior ties to Mariopsa but she did not. The median age in the small town is in the 50s, Jon was not far off but Ellen was only 30. How many new moms were there for her to befriend?

Coming and going is relative when you are in the middle of nowhere.

I was looking for a way to message you, I guess that’s not possible.

Do you know if anyone had contact with this family on Saturday?
Scanning back through posts I noted one inquiring if the kid was perhaps DOA to the forest. Could the child have died from an in home accident and J & E freaked?

20 miles is far from town, I think. Where they lived would be pitch black at night, I’d be terrified.

You city folk are funny. It's rarely pitch black, even in the country.

Actually it is - signed someone with a country house. The stars aren’t that bright and no ambient lighting or direct lighting makes everything five feet in front of you look like the abyss.

Or worse! No street lamps for miles and miles, no traffic. It’s black.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is much more concerning than the baby carrier, temp and amount of diapers.

Prana and Chi Kung (Qijong)
Prana is the Sanskrit term for vital energy. Its Chinese term is Chi. Prana and Chi can be cultivated to promote health, longevity, intelligence, wisdom, and happiness. We will focus on its Chinese form in this article. Chi Kung is an ancient Chinese practice that cultivates vital energy. Literally, it is the cultivation of "intrinsic energy" (Chi) through "dedicated, systematic effort" (Kung).

https://www.geneseo.edu/yoga/prana-and-chi-kung

Wait did she identify as Korean or Chinese?

This stuff is pure nuts.

She was into Chinese philosophy if she went for integral counseling imo.

Without stirring abroad, One can know the whole world; Without looking out of the window One can see the way of heaven. The further one goes The less one knows.

Lao Tzu

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was isolated because they lived in a forest, 20 miles from the nearest town, the one with the whopping population of 1,800.

Her friends were in the city and I do not think many if any would have had babies at 30. She was going to school remotely. Jon had prior ties to Mariopsa but she did not. The median age in the small town is in the 50s, Jon was not far off but Ellen was only 30. How many new moms were there for her to befriend?

Coming and going is relative when you are in the middle of nowhere.

I was looking for a way to message you, I guess that’s not possible.

Do you know if anyone had contact with this family on Saturday?
Scanning back through posts I noted one inquiring if the kid was perhaps DOA to the forest. Could the child have died from an in home accident and J & E freaked?

20 miles is far from town, I think. Where they lived would be pitch black at night, I’d be terrified.

You city folk are funny. It's rarely pitch black, even in the country.

Actually it is - signed someone with a country house. The stars aren’t that bright and no ambient lighting or direct lighting makes everything five feet in front of you look like the abyss.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ellen studied integral medicine which I find concerning when coupled with what occurred.

Integral medicine is about being concerned with the whole person rather than the disease; calling on the universal life force (prana or chi) manifested mentally, physically and spiritually.

Um .. what

That’s quite a reach. You people are grasping at straws.

No that actual makes sense. She was into non-allopathic medicine and if she had PPD - if would have felt like a professional and personal failure not to overcome her depression with holistic treatment.

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Anonymous wrote:Come on. This was the perfect all American family. Good looking couple, multiple homes, dad was brilliant, mom was the absolute best. She tried to save her family, running towards the car in the blazing sun, she probably even carried the dog part way (😂).

Disregard their heavy debt load, the fact mom did not want kids and hated Mariposa.

Did they take HC trail or HC road, could they read maps? How many ounces did their bladder hold? Was the carrier paisley, solid or floral print? Did they swim? Did they drink river water? These are the important things. And I bet LE needs our help. Wonder if they thought to check shoes? Think they inventoried the backpack? Should we email LE? The sheriff knows it was hot I assume? Why didn’t LE put out a public picture of the baby carrier asking if anyone had seen it (dumb post of year award).
Can’t wait for my “tried to tell ya, moment.”

I haven't seen hard evidence of this but I posted before she seemed like a free spirit who as a pretty young mom for a city girl who had a very fast courtship with a fun adventurer 15 years older who made her a wife in the middle of nowhere with a small, needy baby. I'd put money on this being an unplanned/wanted (by her) pregnancy and some severe depression living in the middle of nowhere. DCUM can skew conservative in some ways where she should be lucky to have a high earner husband and isn't that young but....idk. I don't buy it.

What makes you think her pregnancy was unplanned/unwanted? Did you know her?

No, I didn't know her but I knew many women like her and was somewhat like her myself in my 20s and getting knocked up and moving to bum**ck nowhere with no friends, family, or really much at all to do would have been the stuff of nightmares for every one of us. And that's for the mentally healthy. I can only imagine any pre-existing mental conditions would be exacerbated by such major life changes and isolation.

Omg yes look at the changes she endured in two years. With her out there beliefs it was even more challenging to make new friends I bet.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is much more concerning than the baby carrier, temp and amount of diapers.

Prana and Chi Kung (Qijong)
Prana is the Sanskrit term for vital energy. Its Chinese term is Chi. Prana and Chi can be cultivated to promote health, longevity, intelligence, wisdom, and happiness. We will focus on its Chinese form in this article. Chi Kung is an ancient Chinese practice that cultivates vital energy. Literally, it is the cultivation of "intrinsic energy" (Chi) through "dedicated, systematic effort" (Kung).

https://www.geneseo.edu/yoga/prana-and-chi-kung

Wait did she identify as Korean or Chinese?

This stuff is pure nuts.

Uneffingbelievable. Okay, I see this as a big problem. Was she on some type of “journey” that Jonathan disagreed with? As noted earlier, he was awfully big, no way was he vegan. Did they agree/disagree on the child’s nutrition? Was John expected to study yoga? 😂
MS definitely.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on. This was the perfect all American family. Good looking couple, multiple homes, dad was brilliant, mom was the absolute best. She tried to save her family, running towards the car in the blazing sun, she probably even carried the dog part way (😂).

Disregard their heavy debt load, the fact mom did not want kids and hated Mariposa.

Did they take HC trail or HC road, could they read maps? How many ounces did their bladder hold? Was the carrier paisley, solid or floral print? Did they swim? Did they drink river water? These are the important things. And I bet LE needs our help. Wonder if they thought to check shoes? Think they inventoried the backpack? Should we email LE? The sheriff knows it was hot I assume? Why didn’t LE put out a public picture of the baby carrier asking if anyone had seen it (dumb post of year award).
Can’t wait for my “tried to tell ya, moment.”

I haven't seen hard evidence of this but I posted before she seemed like a free spirit who as a pretty young mom for a city girl who had a very fast courtship with a fun adventurer 15 years older who made her a wife in the middle of nowhere with a small, needy baby. I'd put money on this being an unplanned/wanted (by her) pregnancy and some severe depression living in the middle of nowhere. DCUM can skew conservative in some ways where she should be lucky to have a high earner husband and isn't that young but....idk. I don't buy it.

What makes you think her pregnancy was unplanned/unwanted? Did you know her?

No, I didn't know her but I knew many women like her and was somewhat like her myself in my 20s and getting knocked up and moving to bum**ck nowhere with no friends, family, or really much at all to do would have been the stuff of nightmares for every one of us. And that's for the mentally healthy. I can only imagine any pre-existing mental conditions would be exacerbated by such major life changes and isolation.

Anonymous wrote:All I know is when I die, I need a good friend to lock down or delete as many of my social media accounts as soon as possible.

Pre plan so you can RIP, take sites down now.

Anonymous wrote:This is much more concerning than the baby carrier, temp and amount of diapers.

Prana and Chi Kung (Qijong)
Prana is the Sanskrit term for vital energy. Its Chinese term is Chi. Prana and Chi can be cultivated to promote health, longevity, intelligence, wisdom, and happiness. We will focus on its Chinese form in this article. Chi Kung is an ancient Chinese practice that cultivates vital energy. Literally, it is the cultivation of "intrinsic energy" (Chi) through "dedicated, systematic effort" (Kung).

https://www.geneseo.edu/yoga/prana-and-chi-kung

Wait did she identify as Korean or Chinese?

This stuff is pure nuts.

This is much more concerning than the baby carrier, temp and amount of diapers.

Prana and Chi Kung (Qijong)
Prana is the Sanskrit term for vital energy. Its Chinese term is Chi. Prana and Chi can be cultivated to promote health, longevity, intelligence, wisdom, and happiness. We will focus on its Chinese form in this article. Chi Kung is an ancient Chinese practice that cultivates vital energy. Literally, it is the cultivation of "intrinsic energy" (Chi) through "dedicated, systematic effort" (Kung).

https://www.geneseo.edu/yoga/prana-and-chi-kung

Anonymous wrote:Ellen studied integral medicine which I find concerning when coupled with what occurred.

Integral medicine is about being concerned with the whole person rather than the disease; calling on the universal life force (prana or chi) manifested mentally, physically and spiritually.

Um .. what

That’s quite a reach. You people are grasping at straws.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was isolated because they lived in a forest, 20 miles from the nearest town, the one with the whopping population of 1,800.

Her friends were in the city and I do not think many if any would have had babies at 30. She was going to school remotely. Jon had prior ties to Mariopsa but she did not. The median age in the small town is in the 50s, Jon was not far off but Ellen was only 30. How many new moms were there for her to befriend?

Coming and going is relative when you are in the middle of nowhere.

I was looking for a way to message you, I guess that’s not possible.

Do you know if anyone had contact with this family on Saturday?
Scanning back through posts I noted one inquiring if the kid was perhaps DOA to the forest. Could the child have died from an in home accident and J & E freaked?

20 miles is far from town, I think. Where they lived would be pitch black at night, I’d be terrified.

You city folk are funny. It's rarely pitch black, even in the country.

All I know is when I die, I need a good friend to lock down or delete as many of my social media accounts as soon as possible.

Ellen studied integral medicine which I find concerning when coupled with what occurred.

Integral medicine is about being concerned with the whole person rather than the disease; calling on the universal life force (prana or chi) manifested mentally, physically and spiritually.

Anonymous wrote:Jon has an ex-wife in Mariposa??? Wonder if there were sour grapes…

He does?

Where is Ellen’s ex?

From IG photos it appears they often had the baby with them in all sorts of weather so to think they made a mistake is illogical at best.

I think either something terrible happened Saturday or Ellen’s state of mind worsened and she couldn’t go on but didn’t want her family going on without her. As a PP stated, they lived in the middle of nowhere. It sounds like Ellen struggled if she had to have so much hired help for a small house. Her classes didn’t take much time. John worked, the nanny cared for the tot, what did Ellen do?

Was the thought of the child turning one too much? She’d require much more attention moving forward as she walked and explored. Tantrums would become more pronounced. Another poster mentioned PPD and most women that kill their baby it occurs within the first year most often.


Iirc Ellen mentioned trying to find herself. Possibly she could not.