Anonymous
05/14/2022 08:43
Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fetuses are not "potential life", they are a separate living human being, scientifically speaking.
If they’ve never been alive outside the womb, they’re potential life. Under the law (which is what we’re discussing) babies aren’t granted the status of living person until they’re born alive. Besides, this draft opinion is not grounded in science.
Under which law(s)? You’re making stuff up now. They may not be citizens or registered persons, but doubtful there is a law that defines life. If there were a law, rulings like RvW wouldn’t be necessary. That’s the crux of the issue. Pass a law that clearly defines human life and what may be done legally “by others” to that human life at its various stages. Fetus, baby, toddler, teen, adult, senior, invalid, death bed patient, comatose patients, death row inmate, etc. then we can all stop being hypocrites.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 08:00
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
It's time to move on ,. We all know that there is a point around 12 weeks where it can feel pain etc science has taken big leaps since 1970 to determine that.https://erlc.com/resource-library/articles/study-shows-preborn-babies-feel-pain-as-early-as-12-weeks-gestation/ , we also have better birth control. So it's really a mute point, it would make sense to be on birth control rather than abort. But if there is a slip up you should monitor yourself closely to abort the baby before 12 weeks.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 07:57
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:15 weeks
No restrictions
No waiting
Easy access
Affordable
After 15 weeks - rape/incest/life of mother or fetus
Dr. is given broad discretion to use best medical practices.
I’m hard core pro-choice and could live with this
But this country has a long way to go to get abortion access to women everywhere. Later abortions are happening because of all the roadblocks republicans have erected.
I’d also like to see verbiage for free birth control and better sex education. I had excellent sex education growing up and I think it really made a difference.
I live in California and this would be more restrictive than what we currently have. If you've never had genetic testing come back at 20w and scrambled to get your MFM appointment before the abortion cut off in your state so that you would have options, please don't negotiate away the rest of our rights.
I would not support any bill that was more restrictive than Roe and that removed discretion for states. The WHPA is a good compromise...but people want Democrats to start off with a bill that their base doesn't support. No thank you.
Baseline, not a ceiling. I was just suggesting a bill that might actually pass. That’s all.
I agree 20 weeks is better.
Also: most people don’t understand what Roe even means. Democrats need to educate the public. The forced birthers have been lying for 40
Years. People now believe the lies.
15 weeks isn't any more likely to get 60 votes than 20 weeks, viability, or 40 weeks. None of them can ge 60 in the Senate. Meanwhile if 15 weeks is proposed then that becomes the new baseline negotiating position.
Find the 8 extra Senators that are willing to pass anything first. There's currently only 51 + Manchin potentially interested in anything.
Exactly. 15 weeks is just some arbitrary line. Stick with viability.
That is the gestational age where a fetus can feel pain. Science and all that.
JFC you people with your never ending stream of bullsh!t. Also, the electric signals that the ultrasound picks up at six weeks are not a “heartbeat,” since an embryo at that stage doesn’t have a fully formed heart.
Ok, so when do you think a fetus can feel pain?
They don't want to answer that question. They respond by deflecting or denying.
It has no brain and is not sentient. So who cares?
At some point before birth it has a brain, no? I’m pro-choice but would not be opposed to a heightened standard of some sort after the point that pain can be felt. To the PP that said if it’s not in my body, it’s not my business, how would you feel about a newborn being murdered. It’s not in your house, so it’s not your business right? I think those of you who won’t even acknowledge that there might be pain to a late term fetus that must be dismembered to be aborted are just as bad as those on the other extreme end of the spectrum.
Which late-term fetuses are being aborted? The ones without brains? The ones with devastating (painful) defects?
https://www.npr.org/2006/02/21/5168163/partial-birth-abortion-separating-fact-from-spin
This article (though a bit old) was a fact checking article by NPR on “partial birth” abortions. This quote implies that all such abortions are not only performed on severely defective fetuses:
“Under what health circumstances are D&X abortions performed?
There is currently no statistical information available on why "dilation and extraction" abortions are performed.
In a widely-publicized interview with The New York Times in 1997, Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, estimated that in the majority of cases, the procedure is performed on a healthy mother and healthy fetus that is 20 weeks or more along in development.”
If anyone has more recent information that contradicts this, I would be very interested in seeing it.
D&E is 2nd trimester, not “late term”.
D&E refers to dilation and evacuation. The quote above is talking about dilation and extraction (also known as partial birth abortion).
Anonymous
05/14/2022 07:44
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Viability is a good balancing point.
Just like we had with Roe v Casey.
I think that the new common sense bill was better because we now have fifty years of evidence that the forced birthers use absolutely no common sense and no good faith whatsoever. “Trust women” needs to be codified into law because look at leaky Alito’s idiotic decision. We can’t trust forced birthers to acknowledge women are people; they’re stripping our rights as citizens.
Everyone is stroking about late term abortions but they’re uncommon and get really, really uncommon the closer one gets to delivery; it’s not a decision taken lightly and they’re not the point. All abortion is going to be illegal in several states as will be birth control.
This is patently ridiculous.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 06:32
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And Trump got three supreme Court seats. Instead of voting for Hillary in the supreme Court you voted for Bernie.
You put person over party but Republicans would vote for a turd if there's an R by its name.
Now they get the supreme Court for the next 30 years
Yep. I held my nose and voted for Hillary,.while most of the Bernie bros did not. And now this is what we get for the next 30 years or so, unless all the rest of us join together to fight these religious zealots.
Oh please! I am in NO WAY a fan of Bernie but this goes back much further than 2016. This is a product of GOPs REDMAP plan that started in 2010. When Obama won, Republicans lost their friggin minds so they came up with a plan to take over state gov. For very little money they were able to get GOP elected (and Dems ignored this) until GOP had so much control that they could pass these draconian bills.
Can ya’ll just stop with the blame game? It’s gonna take everyone who is pro-choice to come together if we want to get out of this mess. The Republican Party has changed. This is a binary choice. If you believe the women should have the freedom to make their own health decision it means you STOP voting for MAGA Republicans, , and either vote for Dems or stay home.
I came together and did my part and voted for Hillary. It's everyone else who wouldn't do their part because they wanted to be able to sleep that night. That voted for people like Jill Stein and wrote in Bernie's name. I'm still going to vote Democrat but don't act like the Bernie Bros had nothing to do with Trump being president. They going to come together and do their part instead of being self righteous.
PP, the point is that this pre-dates Trump! Yeh he was the nail in the coffin but the republican party has been changing for years! Now they have fully formed into the Maga Republican Party and they are able to grow by dividing us. Stop falling for their attempts to divide us
We put aside our differences and stand together now, or we all fall.
My point is I did my part and voted for Hillary even though she was not my first democratic choice. But someone needs to tell the progressive liberals to do the same. They're the ones who refuse to vote for an acceptable candidate just because they are not perfect in their idealistic way.
The thing is that there are at least two strands of progressive liberals. I never know what to call myself because to really left progressives I’m basically a Repo and to Republicans I may as well be called a Communist (not that it takes a lot to get them to call anyone that). Anyway, I vote Democratic and always have. But there are really left lefties who think the Democrats are… I forget what they called them (my sister dated a Communist for a while). Anyway, there are lots of us progressives who vote Democratic.
And there are (or were, anyway) lots of red rose “socialists” on twitter who apparently exist just to be divisive. They’re not any more progressive than Ted Cruz, they’re just there to sway opinion and are probably paid. Unfortunately, enough people answered the call.
All that to say: it’s vote Democratic or own the fact that you hate America and its best promises.
No, American citizens do not have to think as you think. That's the beauty of living in this wonderful country.
Furthermore, don’t demand I think and feel like you do and then simultaneously demand respect.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 06:16
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:15 weeks
No restrictions
No waiting
Easy access
Affordable
After 15 weeks - rape/incest/life of mother or fetus
Dr. is given broad discretion to use best medical practices.
I’m hard core pro-choice and could live with this
But this country has a long way to go to get abortion access to women everywhere. Later abortions are happening because of all the roadblocks republicans have erected.
I’d also like to see verbiage for free birth control and better sex education. I had excellent sex education growing up and I think it really made a difference.
I live in California and this would be more restrictive than what we currently have. If you've never had genetic testing come back at 20w and scrambled to get your MFM appointment before the abortion cut off in your state so that you would have options, please don't negotiate away the rest of our rights.
I would not support any bill that was more restrictive than Roe and that removed discretion for states. The WHPA is a good compromise...but people want Democrats to start off with a bill that their base doesn't support. No thank you.
Baseline, not a ceiling. I was just suggesting a bill that might actually pass. That’s all.
I agree 20 weeks is better.
Also: most people don’t understand what Roe even means. Democrats need to educate the public. The forced birthers have been lying for 40
Years. People now believe the lies.
15 weeks isn't any more likely to get 60 votes than 20 weeks, viability, or 40 weeks. None of them can ge 60 in the Senate. Meanwhile if 15 weeks is proposed then that becomes the new baseline negotiating position.
Find the 8 extra Senators that are willing to pass anything first. There's currently only 51 + Manchin potentially interested in anything.
Exactly. 15 weeks is just some arbitrary line. Stick with viability.
That is the gestational age where a fetus can feel pain. Science and all that.
JFC you people with your never ending stream of bullsh!t. Also, the electric signals that the ultrasound picks up at six weeks are not a “heartbeat,” since an embryo at that stage doesn’t have a fully formed heart.
Ok, so when do you think a fetus can feel pain?
They don't want to answer that question. They respond by deflecting or denying.
It has no brain and is not sentient. So who cares?
At some point before birth it has a brain, no? I’m pro-choice but would not be opposed to a heightened standard of some sort after the point that pain can be felt. To the PP that said if it’s not in my body, it’s not my business, how would you feel about a newborn being murdered. It’s not in your house, so it’s not your business right? I think those of you who won’t even acknowledge that there might be pain to a late term fetus that must be dismembered to be aborted are just as bad as those on the other extreme end of the spectrum.
Which late-term fetuses are being aborted? The ones without brains? The ones with devastating (painful) defects?
https://www.npr.org/2006/02/21/5168163/partial-birth-abortion-separating-fact-from-spin
This article (though a bit old) was a fact checking article by NPR on “partial birth” abortions. This quote implies that all such abortions are not only performed on severely defective fetuses:
“Under what health circumstances are D&X abortions performed?
There is currently no statistical information available on why "dilation and extraction" abortions are performed.
In a widely-publicized interview with The New York Times in 1997, Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, estimated that in the majority of cases, the procedure is performed on a healthy mother and healthy fetus that is 20 weeks or more along in development.”
If anyone has more recent information that contradicts this, I would be very interested in seeing it.
D&E is 2nd trimester, not “late term”.
Anonymous
05/13/2022 23:49
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:15 weeks
No restrictions
No waiting
Easy access
Affordable
After 15 weeks - rape/incest/life of mother or fetus
Dr. is given broad discretion to use best medical practices.
I’m hard core pro-choice and could live with this
But this country has a long way to go to get abortion access to women everywhere. Later abortions are happening because of all the roadblocks republicans have erected.
I’d also like to see verbiage for free birth control and better sex education. I had excellent sex education growing up and I think it really made a difference.
I live in California and this would be more restrictive than what we currently have. If you've never had genetic testing come back at 20w and scrambled to get your MFM appointment before the abortion cut off in your state so that you would have options, please don't negotiate away the rest of our rights.
I would not support any bill that was more restrictive than Roe and that removed discretion for states. The WHPA is a good compromise...but people want Democrats to start off with a bill that their base doesn't support. No thank you.
Baseline, not a ceiling. I was just suggesting a bill that might actually pass. That’s all.
I agree 20 weeks is better.
Also: most people don’t understand what Roe even means. Democrats need to educate the public. The forced birthers have been lying for 40
Years. People now believe the lies.
15 weeks isn't any more likely to get 60 votes than 20 weeks, viability, or 40 weeks. None of them can ge 60 in the Senate. Meanwhile if 15 weeks is proposed then that becomes the new baseline negotiating position.
Find the 8 extra Senators that are willing to pass anything first. There's currently only 51 + Manchin potentially interested in anything.
Exactly. 15 weeks is just some arbitrary line. Stick with viability.
That is the gestational age where a fetus can feel pain. Science and all that.
JFC you people with your never ending stream of bullsh!t. Also, the electric signals that the ultrasound picks up at six weeks are not a “heartbeat,” since an embryo at that stage doesn’t have a fully formed heart.
Ok, so when do you think a fetus can feel pain?
They don't want to answer that question. They respond by deflecting or denying.
It has no brain and is not sentient. So who cares?
At some point before birth it has a brain, no? I’m pro-choice but would not be opposed to a heightened standard of some sort after the point that pain can be felt. To the PP that said if it’s not in my body, it’s not my business, how would you feel about a newborn being murdered. It’s not in your house, so it’s not your business right? I think those of you who won’t even acknowledge that there might be pain to a late term fetus that must be dismembered to be aborted are just as bad as those on the other extreme end of the spectrum.
Which late-term fetuses are being aborted? The ones without brains? The ones with devastating (painful) defects?
https://www.npr.org/2006/02/21/5168163/partial-birth-abortion-separating-fact-from-spin
This article (though a bit old) was a fact checking article by NPR on “partial birth” abortions. This quote implies that all such abortions are not only performed on severely defective fetuses:
“Under what health circumstances are D&X abortions performed?
There is currently no statistical information available on why "dilation and extraction" abortions are performed.
In a widely-publicized interview with The New York Times in 1997, Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, estimated that in the majority of cases, the procedure is performed on a healthy mother and healthy fetus that is 20 weeks or more along in development.”
If anyone has more recent information that contradicts this, I would be very interested in seeing it.
Anonymous
05/13/2022 23:11
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Viability is a good balancing point.
Just like we had with Roe v Casey.
Just like we had with Roe v Casey.
Anonymous
05/13/2022 22:50
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:15 weeks
No restrictions
No waiting
Easy access
Affordable
After 15 weeks - rape/incest/life of mother or fetus
Dr. is given broad discretion to use best medical practices.
I’m hard core pro-choice and could live with this
But this country has a long way to go to get abortion access to women everywhere. Later abortions are happening because of all the roadblocks republicans have erected.
I’d also like to see verbiage for free birth control and better sex education. I had excellent sex education growing up and I think it really made a difference.
I live in California and this would be more restrictive than what we currently have. If you've never had genetic testing come back at 20w and scrambled to get your MFM appointment before the abortion cut off in your state so that you would have options, please don't negotiate away the rest of our rights.
I would not support any bill that was more restrictive than Roe and that removed discretion for states. The WHPA is a good compromise...but people want Democrats to start off with a bill that their base doesn't support. No thank you.
Baseline, not a ceiling. I was just suggesting a bill that might actually pass. That’s all.
I agree 20 weeks is better.
Also: most people don’t understand what Roe even means. Democrats need to educate the public. The forced birthers have been lying for 40
Years. People now believe the lies.
15 weeks isn't any more likely to get 60 votes than 20 weeks, viability, or 40 weeks. None of them can ge 60 in the Senate. Meanwhile if 15 weeks is proposed then that becomes the new baseline negotiating position.
Find the 8 extra Senators that are willing to pass anything first. There's currently only 51 + Manchin potentially interested in anything.
Exactly. 15 weeks is just some arbitrary line. Stick with viability.
That is the gestational age where a fetus can feel pain. Science and all that.
JFC you people with your never ending stream of bullsh!t. Also, the electric signals that the ultrasound picks up at six weeks are not a “heartbeat,” since an embryo at that stage doesn’t have a fully formed heart.
Ok, so when do you think a fetus can feel pain?
Does it feel pain when it’s born at 22 weeks, and forced to be kept alive on machines without pain relief, while having painful heel pricks several times a day every day for months?
Anonymous
05/13/2022 22:27
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:15 weeks
No restrictions
No waiting
Easy access
Affordable
After 15 weeks - rape/incest/life of mother or fetus
Dr. is given broad discretion to use best medical practices.
I’m hard core pro-choice and could live with this
But this country has a long way to go to get abortion access to women everywhere. Later abortions are happening because of all the roadblocks republicans have erected.
I’d also like to see verbiage for free birth control and better sex education. I had excellent sex education growing up and I think it really made a difference.
I live in California and this would be more restrictive than what we currently have. If you've never had genetic testing come back at 20w and scrambled to get your MFM appointment before the abortion cut off in your state so that you would have options, please don't negotiate away the rest of our rights.
I would not support any bill that was more restrictive than Roe and that removed discretion for states. The WHPA is a good compromise...but people want Democrats to start off with a bill that their base doesn't support. No thank you.
Baseline, not a ceiling. I was just suggesting a bill that might actually pass. That’s all.
I agree 20 weeks is better.
Also: most people don’t understand what Roe even means. Democrats need to educate the public. The forced birthers have been lying for 40
Years. People now believe the lies.
15 weeks isn't any more likely to get 60 votes than 20 weeks, viability, or 40 weeks. None of them can ge 60 in the Senate. Meanwhile if 15 weeks is proposed then that becomes the new baseline negotiating position.
Find the 8 extra Senators that are willing to pass anything first. There's currently only 51 + Manchin potentially interested in anything.
Exactly. 15 weeks is just some arbitrary line. Stick with viability.
That is the gestational age where a fetus can feel pain. Science and all that.
JFC you people with your never ending stream of bullsh!t. Also, the electric signals that the ultrasound picks up at six weeks are not a “heartbeat,” since an embryo at that stage doesn’t have a fully formed heart.
Ok, so when do you think a fetus can feel pain?
Anonymous
05/13/2022 22:17
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And Trump got three supreme Court seats. Instead of voting for Hillary in the supreme Court you voted for Bernie.
You put person over party but Republicans would vote for a turd if there's an R by its name.
Now they get the supreme Court for the next 30 years
Yep. I held my nose and voted for Hillary,.while most of the Bernie bros did not. And now this is what we get for the next 30 years or so, unless all the rest of us join together to fight these religious zealots.
Oh please! I am in NO WAY a fan of Bernie but this goes back much further than 2016. This is a product of GOPs REDMAP plan that started in 2010. When Obama won, Republicans lost their friggin minds so they came up with a plan to take over state gov. For very little money they were able to get GOP elected (and Dems ignored this) until GOP had so much control that they could pass these draconian bills.
Can ya’ll just stop with the blame game? It’s gonna take everyone who is pro-choice to come together if we want to get out of this mess. The Republican Party has changed. This is a binary choice. If you believe the women should have the freedom to make their own health decision it means you STOP voting for MAGA Republicans, , and either vote for Dems or stay home.
I came together and did my part and voted for Hillary. It's everyone else who wouldn't do their part because they wanted to be able to sleep that night. That voted for people like Jill Stein and wrote in Bernie's name. I'm still going to vote Democrat but don't act like the Bernie Bros had nothing to do with Trump being president. They going to come together and do their part instead of being self righteous.
PP, the point is that this pre-dates Trump! Yeh he was the nail in the coffin but the republican party has been changing for years! Now they have fully formed into the Maga Republican Party and they are able to grow by dividing us. Stop falling for their attempts to divide us
We put aside our differences and stand together now, or we all fall.
My point is I did my part and voted for Hillary even though she was not my first democratic choice. But someone needs to tell the progressive liberals to do the same. They're the ones who refuse to vote for an acceptable candidate just because they are not perfect in their idealistic way.
The thing is that there are at least two strands of progressive liberals. I never know what to call myself because to really left progressives I’m basically a Repo and to Republicans I may as well be called a Communist (not that it takes a lot to get them to call anyone that). Anyway, I vote Democratic and always have. But there are really left lefties who think the Democrats are… I forget what they called them (my sister dated a Communist for a while). Anyway, there are lots of us progressives who vote Democratic.
And there are (or were, anyway) lots of red rose “socialists” on twitter who apparently exist just to be divisive. They’re not any more progressive than Ted Cruz, they’re just there to sway opinion and are probably paid. Unfortunately, enough people answered the call.
All that to say: it’s vote Democratic or own the fact that you hate America and its best promises.
No, American citizens do not have to think as you think. That's the beauty of living in this wonderful country.
Anonymous
05/13/2022 22:09
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And Trump got three supreme Court seats. Instead of voting for Hillary in the supreme Court you voted for Bernie.
You put person over party but Republicans would vote for a turd if there's an R by its name.
Now they get the supreme Court for the next 30 years
Yep. I held my nose and voted for Hillary,.while most of the Bernie bros did not. And now this is what we get for the next 30 years or so, unless all the rest of us join together to fight these religious zealots.
Oh please! I am in NO WAY a fan of Bernie but this goes back much further than 2016. This is a product of GOPs REDMAP plan that started in 2010. When Obama won, Republicans lost their friggin minds so they came up with a plan to take over state gov. For very little money they were able to get GOP elected (and Dems ignored this) until GOP had so much control that they could pass these draconian bills.
Can ya’ll just stop with the blame game? It’s gonna take everyone who is pro-choice to come together if we want to get out of this mess. The Republican Party has changed. This is a binary choice. If you believe the women should have the freedom to make their own health decision it means you STOP voting for MAGA Republicans, , and either vote for Dems or stay home.
I came together and did my part and voted for Hillary. It's everyone else who wouldn't do their part because they wanted to be able to sleep that night. That voted for people like Jill Stein and wrote in Bernie's name. I'm still going to vote Democrat but don't act like the Bernie Bros had nothing to do with Trump being president. They going to come together and do their part instead of being self righteous.
PP, the point is that this pre-dates Trump! Yeh he was the nail in the coffin but the republican party has been changing for years! Now they have fully formed into the Maga Republican Party and they are able to grow by dividing us. Stop falling for their attempts to divide us
We put aside our differences and stand together now, or we all fall.
My point is I did my part and voted for Hillary even though she was not my first democratic choice. But someone needs to tell the progressive liberals to do the same. They're the ones who refuse to vote for an acceptable candidate just because they are not perfect in their idealistic way.
The thing is that there are at least two strands of progressive liberals. I never know what to call myself because to really left progressives I’m basically a Repo and to Republicans I may as well be called a Communist (not that it takes a lot to get them to call anyone that). Anyway, I vote Democratic and always have. But there are really left lefties who think the Democrats are… I forget what they called them (my sister dated a Communist for a while). Anyway, there are lots of us progressives who vote Democratic.
And there are (or were, anyway) lots of red rose “socialists” on twitter who apparently exist just to be divisive. They’re not any more progressive than Ted Cruz, they’re just there to sway opinion and are probably paid. Unfortunately, enough people answered the call.
All that to say: it’s vote Democratic or own the fact that you hate America and its best promises.
Anonymous
05/13/2022 19:35
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And Trump got three supreme Court seats. Instead of voting for Hillary in the supreme Court you voted for Bernie.
You put person over party but Republicans would vote for a turd if there's an R by its name.
Now they get the supreme Court for the next 30 years
Yep. I held my nose and voted for Hillary,.while most of the Bernie bros did not. And now this is what we get for the next 30 years or so, unless all the rest of us join together to fight these religious zealots.
Oh please! I am in NO WAY a fan of Bernie but this goes back much further than 2016. This is a product of GOPs REDMAP plan that started in 2010. When Obama won, Republicans lost their friggin minds so they came up with a plan to take over state gov. For very little money they were able to get GOP elected (and Dems ignored this) until GOP had so much control that they could pass these draconian bills.
Can ya’ll just stop with the blame game? It’s gonna take everyone who is pro-choice to come together if we want to get out of this mess. The Republican Party has changed. This is a binary choice. If you believe the women should have the freedom to make their own health decision it means you STOP voting for MAGA Republicans, , and either vote for Dems or stay home.
I came together and did my part and voted for Hillary. It's everyone else who wouldn't do their part because they wanted to be able to sleep that night. That voted for people like Jill Stein and wrote in Bernie's name. I'm still going to vote Democrat but don't act like the Bernie Bros had nothing to do with Trump being president. They going to come together and do their part instead of being self righteous.
PP, the point is that this pre-dates Trump! Yeh he was the nail in the coffin but the republican party has been changing for years! Now they have fully formed into the Maga Republican Party and they are able to grow by dividing us. Stop falling for their attempts to divide us
We put aside our differences and stand together now, or we all fall.
My point is I did my part and voted for Hillary even though she was not my first democratic choice. But someone needs to tell the progressive liberals to do the same. They're the ones who refuse to vote for an acceptable candidate just because they are not perfect in their idealistic way.
Anonymous
05/13/2022 18:20
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And Trump got three supreme Court seats. Instead of voting for Hillary in the supreme Court you voted for Bernie.
You put person over party but Republicans would vote for a turd if there's an R by its name.
Now they get the supreme Court for the next 30 years
Yep. I held my nose and voted for Hillary,.while most of the Bernie bros did not. And now this is what we get for the next 30 years or so, unless all the rest of us join together to fight these religious zealots.
Oh please! I am in NO WAY a fan of Bernie but this goes back much further than 2016. This is a product of GOPs REDMAP plan that started in 2010. When Obama won, Republicans lost their friggin minds so they came up with a plan to take over state gov. For very little money they were able to get GOP elected (and Dems ignored this) until GOP had so much control that they could pass these draconian bills.
Can ya’ll just stop with the blame game? It’s gonna take everyone who is pro-choice to come together if we want to get out of this mess. The Republican Party has changed. This is a binary choice. If you believe the women should have the freedom to make their own health decision it means you STOP voting for MAGA Republicans, , and either vote for Dems or stay home.
I came together and did my part and voted for Hillary. It's everyone else who wouldn't do their part because they wanted to be able to sleep that night. That voted for people like Jill Stein and wrote in Bernie's name. I'm still going to vote Democrat but don't act like the Bernie Bros had nothing to do with Trump being president. They going to come together and do their part instead of being self righteous.
PP, the point is that this pre-dates Trump! Yeh he was the nail in the coffin but the republican party has been changing for years! Now they have fully formed into the Maga Republican Party and they are able to grow by dividing us. Stop falling for their attempts to divide us
We put aside our differences and stand together now, or we all fall.
Anonymous
05/13/2022 17:56
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And Trump got three supreme Court seats. Instead of voting for Hillary in the supreme Court you voted for Bernie.
You put person over party but Republicans would vote for a turd if there's an R by its name.
Now they get the supreme Court for the next 30 years
Yep. I held my nose and voted for Hillary,.while most of the Bernie bros did not. And now this is what we get for the next 30 years or so, unless all the rest of us join together to fight these religious zealots.
Oh please! I am in NO WAY a fan of Bernie but this goes back much further than 2016. This is a product of GOPs REDMAP plan that started in 2010. When Obama won, Republicans lost their friggin minds so they came up with a plan to take over state gov. For very little money they were able to get GOP elected (and Dems ignored this) until GOP had so much control that they could pass these draconian bills.
Can ya’ll just stop with the blame game? It’s gonna take everyone who is pro-choice to come together if we want to get out of this mess. The Republican Party has changed. This is a binary choice. If you believe the women should have the freedom to make their own health decision it means you STOP voting for MAGA Republicans, , and either vote for Dems or stay home.
I came together and did my part and voted for Hillary. It's everyone else who wouldn't do their part because they wanted to be able to sleep that night. That voted for people like Jill Stein and wrote in Bernie's name. I'm still going to vote Democrat but don't act like the Bernie Bros had nothing to do with Trump being president. They going to come together and do their part instead of being self righteous.