Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your candidates are saying that Democrats are in support of post-birth abortions but you want to get into the weeds of the differences between IVF and IUI? Get out of here.
Nah, nah, nah they really think they have something here! And now we get to listen to military withdrawal experts, antiparasitics as antiviral meds, and military rank experts also be experts in the intricacies of assisted fertility. Truly, we are blessed to have these geniuses among us and I am so grateful they have done their “research.”
They are very different procedures and he clearly lied about this. There is no way any person who has undergone fertility treatments would accidentally mix up these procedures.
No-one cares, MAGA loon.
Pretty weird to harass people about the extra steps they take to bear children.
Pretty weird to lie about it in the first place. Unnecessary.
Pretty weird to post about this. Seriously bet you are really popular IRL.
So a candidate for the 2nd highest office in the US says he and his wife had IVF to have their children; his wife issues a statement that they didn’t, and we are to all observe silently without speaking?
Why are people not allowed to discuss this? Why does discussion of this matter make one unpopular?
It isn’t a legitimate concern. It’s something that only an assh01e would make a big deal about.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your candidates are saying that Democrats are in support of post-birth abortions but you want to get into the weeds of the differences between IVF and IUI? Get out of here.
Nah, nah, nah they really think they have something here! And now we get to listen to military withdrawal experts, antiparasitics as antiviral meds, and military rank experts also be experts in the intricacies of assisted fertility. Truly, we are blessed to have these geniuses among us and I am so grateful they have done their “research.”
They are very different procedures and he clearly lied about this. There is no way any person who has undergone fertility treatments would accidentally mix up these procedures.
No-one cares, MAGA loon.
Pretty weird to harass people about the extra steps they take to bear children.
Pretty weird to lie about it in the first place. Unnecessary.
Pretty weird to post about this. Seriously bet you are really popular IRL.
So a candidate for the 2nd highest office in the US says he and his wife had IVF to have their children; his wife issues a statement that they didn’t, and we are to all observe silently without speaking?
Why are people not allowed to discuss this? Why does discussion of this matter make one unpopular?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your candidates are saying that Democrats are in support of post-birth abortions but you want to get into the weeds of the differences between IVF and IUI? Get out of here.
Nah, nah, nah they really think they have something here! And now we get to listen to military withdrawal experts, antiparasitics as antiviral meds, and military rank experts also be experts in the intricacies of assisted fertility. Truly, we are blessed to have these geniuses among us and I am so grateful they have done their “research.”
They are very different procedures and he clearly lied about this. There is no way any person who has undergone fertility treatments would accidentally mix up these procedures.
No-one cares, MAGA loon.
Pretty weird to harass people about the extra steps they take to bear children.
Pretty weird to lie about it in the first place. Unnecessary.
Pretty weird to post about this. Seriously bet you are really popular IRL.
So a candidate for the 2nd highest office in the US says he and his wife had IVF to have their children; his wife issues a statement that they didn’t, and we are to all observe silently without speaking?
Why are people not allowed to discuss this? Why does discussion of this matter make one unpopular?
Because it's splitting hairs, and you're not reading the room. For regular people, IVF is stand-in for 'These people couldn't have children with normal PIV sex, and needed assistance', not for the exact specific procedure. In fact, if someone said they used IUI (or any less familiar terms), most people wouldn't know what that even means.
The point of Walz talking about it, is that they struggled to have children, and required assistance. He understands what it is like to desperately want children and not be able to have them. And Republican controlled legislatures are attempting to ban procedures that would people like the Walzes that have to rely on technology to have children.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your candidates are saying that Democrats are in support of post-birth abortions but you want to get into the weeds of the differences between IVF and IUI? Get out of here.
Nah, nah, nah they really think they have something here! And now we get to listen to military withdrawal experts, antiparasitics as antiviral meds, and military rank experts also be experts in the intricacies of assisted fertility. Truly, we are blessed to have these geniuses among us and I am so grateful they have done their “research.”
They are very different procedures and he clearly lied about this. There is no way any person who has undergone fertility treatments would accidentally mix up these procedures.
No-one cares, MAGA loon.
Pretty weird to harass people about the extra steps they take to bear children.
Pretty weird to lie about it in the first place. Unnecessary.
Pretty weird to post about this. Seriously bet you are really popular IRL.
So a candidate for the 2nd highest office in the US says he and his wife had IVF to have their children; his wife issues a statement that they didn’t, and we are to all observe silently without speaking?
Why are people not allowed to discuss this? Why does discussion of this matter make one unpopular?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your candidates are saying that Democrats are in support of post-birth abortions but you want to get into the weeds of the differences between IVF and IUI? Get out of here.
Nah, nah, nah they really think they have something here! And now we get to listen to military withdrawal experts, antiparasitics as antiviral meds, and military rank experts also be experts in the intricacies of assisted fertility. Truly, we are blessed to have these geniuses among us and I am so grateful they have done their “research.”
They are very different procedures and he clearly lied about this. There is no way any person who has undergone fertility treatments would accidentally mix up these procedures.
No-one cares, MAGA loon.
Pretty weird to harass people about the extra steps they take to bear children.
Pretty weird to lie about it in the first place. Unnecessary.
Pretty weird to post about this. Seriously bet you are really popular IRL.
Anonymous wrote:THIS thread is getting more mileage than Jen Hatmaker.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gwen Walz reveals she underwent a different treatment, not IVF, in new details about fertility struggles
“This one’s personal for me about IVF and reproductive care,” Walz told supporters at a rally in Glendale, Arizona, earlier this month. “When we wanted to have children, we went through years of fertility treatment.”
And in an MSNBC interview in July, he continued attacking Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance for his opposition to a bill that would have guaranteed access to IVF nationwide, while appearing to link the treatment to the birth of his two children.
“Thank God for IVF, my wife and I have two beautiful children,” he said.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/20/politics/gwen-walz-fertility-struggles
What has he not misrepresented or mispoke about?
-his rank
-his drunk driving arrest
-how his kids were conceived
Those are big things to misrepresent/lie about. What else has he not told the absolute truth about?
These are all minor hair-splitting differences. Trump makes huge lies, in some cases, over 100 per speech. His lies vary from minor to extremely major, like giving anecdotes where he has changed people, places, times, and events. He has lied about people, his own crimes (many). He has cheated and become a convicted felon. He has lied, defamed a person, and incurred one of the largest defamation penalties in history. He has lied and threatened national security. He has lied and tried to change an election.
And his supporters ignore his many lies and try to split hairs over Walz. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Walz misrepresentation of his rank was small. He served at a higher level and retired at a lower level. He mistakenly said he was a retired E9 instead of serving as an E9 and retiring as an E8. He later corrected that.
His wife had IUI instead of IVF. The difference between the two is minor to the public. In IUI, the sperms is injected into the uterus to artificially assist in insemination. In IVF, both sperm and eggs are both harvested and inseminated in the lab then the fertilized zygote is placed in the uterus. The distinction for the layman is trivial.
The drunk driving issue has surfaced in each of his campaigns (his first campaign for Congress, his campaign for Governor). Walz has admitted had a DUI. He was drunk, drove on a nearly empty highway at night and paid his price. The only scandal here was that his campaign staffers misrepresented the situation in his run for governor (the second time the issue came up). It was an event that happened 20+ years before, probably before the campaign staffers were out of diapers, but it didn't make the event any more significant because they misrepresented what happened many years before. Walz did not try to hide the event and has spoken publicly about it. He said he realized he had a problem and he stopped drinking and only drinks sodas now.
GOP are desperate to find anything on him. Meanwhile they have a candidate who is not fit for office and has far more egregious issues and lies daily while they try to dredge up lies from 30+ years ago. There is no equivalency between them. If you care enough about honesty and integrity to care about Walz' DUI from 30 years ago, his retirement 20 years ago or his family fertility issues from 15 years ago, then you need to care much more about the GOP candidates lies from 30 days ago, 20 hours ago or 15 minutes ago. And then it becomes clear which candidate has many, many more strikes against them and is clearly not fit to win the election in 77 days.
His lies are hardly "minor hair splitting differences." I question how much vetting was done. Probably wouldn't have mattered anyway.
We know that Kamala is not a good decision-maker and her choice for VP shows that.
And, as far as IVF and IUI are concerned....
IVF requires extraction and fertilization of egg outside the womb which often results in discarding fertilized eggs.
IUI is injecting sperm into the uterus. No fertilized eggs discarded.
they are very different and it is surprising that Walz doesn't know the difference. Or, chose to lie about it for some unknown reason.
I'll grant that these are not minor hairsplitting differences to the Republican base. But to moderates, independents and RINOS, essentially the critical key undecideds that both sides are trying to convince, they are minor hairsplitting differences. There are very few people that are not already committed Trump voters who care about these issues. There are very few undecideds who will make their decisions in November's elections based on these issues.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gwen Walz reveals she underwent a different treatment, not IVF, in new details about fertility struggles
“This one’s personal for me about IVF and reproductive care,” Walz told supporters at a rally in Glendale, Arizona, earlier this month. “When we wanted to have children, we went through years of fertility treatment.”
And in an MSNBC interview in July, he continued attacking Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance for his opposition to a bill that would have guaranteed access to IVF nationwide, while appearing to link the treatment to the birth of his two children.
“Thank God for IVF, my wife and I have two beautiful children,” he said.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/20/politics/gwen-walz-fertility-struggles
What has he not misrepresented or mispoke about?
-his rank
-his drunk driving arrest
-how his kids were conceived
Those are big things to misrepresent/lie about. What else has he not told the absolute truth about?
These are all minor hair-splitting differences. Trump makes huge lies, in some cases, over 100 per speech. His lies vary from minor to extremely major, like giving anecdotes where he has changed people, places, times, and events. He has lied about people, his own crimes (many). He has cheated and become a convicted felon. He has lied, defamed a person, and incurred one of the largest defamation penalties in history. He has lied and threatened national security. He has lied and tried to change an election.
And his supporters ignore his many lies and try to split hairs over Walz. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Walz misrepresentation of his rank was small. He served at a higher level and retired at a lower level. He mistakenly said he was a retired E9 instead of serving as an E9 and retiring as an E8. He later corrected that.
His wife had IUI instead of IVF. The difference between the two is minor to the public. In IUI, the sperms is injected into the uterus to artificially assist in insemination. In IVF, both sperm and eggs are both harvested and inseminated in the lab then the fertilized zygote is placed in the uterus. The distinction for the layman is trivial.
The drunk driving issue has surfaced in each of his campaigns (his first campaign for Congress, his campaign for Governor). Walz has admitted had a DUI. He was drunk, drove on a nearly empty highway at night and paid his price. The only scandal here was that his campaign staffers misrepresented the situation in his run for governor (the second time the issue came up). It was an event that happened 20+ years before, probably before the campaign staffers were out of diapers, but it didn't make the event any more significant because they misrepresented what happened many years before. Walz did not try to hide the event and has spoken publicly about it. He said he realized he had a problem and he stopped drinking and only drinks sodas now.
GOP are desperate to find anything on him. Meanwhile they have a candidate who is not fit for office and has far more egregious issues and lies daily while they try to dredge up lies from 30+ years ago. There is no equivalency between them. If you care enough about honesty and integrity to care about Walz' DUI from 30 years ago, his retirement 20 years ago or his family fertility issues from 15 years ago, then you need to care much more about the GOP candidates lies from 30 days ago, 20 hours ago or 15 minutes ago. And then it becomes clear which candidate has many, many more strikes against them and is clearly not fit to win the election in 77 days.
His lies are hardly "minor hair splitting differences." I question how much vetting was done. Probably wouldn't have mattered anyway.
We know that Kamala is not a good decision-maker and her choice for VP shows that.
And, as far as IVF and IUI are concerned....
IVF requires extraction and fertilization of egg outside the womb which often results in discarding fertilized eggs.
IUI is injecting sperm into the uterus. No fertilized eggs discarded.
they are very different and it is surprising that Walz doesn't know the difference. Or, chose to lie about it for some unknown reason.
Anonymous wrote:My brother in law and sister in law utilized IUI to have their son after years of heartbreaking infertility. They both (and all of our family) just refer to it as IVF or just fertility treatments.
I'm assuming these are just diehard GOP trolls who want to make mountains out of molehills.
And GOP should not want accuracy or truth litigated because Trump (who told 40K lies during his presidency alone according to WaPo) would come out far, far worse.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your candidates are saying that Democrats are in support of post-birth abortions but you want to get into the weeds of the differences between IVF and IUI? Get out of here.
Nah, nah, nah they really think they have something here! And now we get to listen to military withdrawal experts, antiparasitics as antiviral meds, and military rank experts also be experts in the intricacies of assisted fertility. Truly, we are blessed to have these geniuses among us and I am so grateful they have done their “research.”
They are very different procedures and he clearly lied about this. There is no way any person who has undergone fertility treatments would accidentally mix up these procedures.
No-one cares, MAGA loon.
Pretty weird to harass people about the extra steps they take to bear children.
Pretty weird to lie about it in the first place. Unnecessary.