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No one cares if you don't like Justin, posting it four times in a row doesn't change that.

Blake is lucky she married a rich man, because her texts and behavior make her look like a lunatic.

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No one cares if you don't like Justin, posting it four times in a row doesn't change that.

Blake is lucky she married a rich man, because her texts and behavior make her look like a lunatic.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s insane that there are now thousands of documents out and Baldoni really doesn’t look that bad. I was expecting so much worse but he really hasn’t had embarrassing texts. Seems like he was literally just trying to get through this movie.

Blake and Ryan on the other hand look like unhinged giant a-holes who made taking over this movie their whole personality, to the point where they are no longer talking to the godmother of their daughters and they’ve embarrassed Sony and WME executives and a-listers like Matt and Ben.

I think you just aren't willing to open up your eyes to what looks bad for him. I think Blake and Ryan look terrible after reading their emails and texts, but Justin also seems awful. The issue is that his texts and emails aren't aggressive like Blake and Ryan. Instead he just lies and plays the victim and is obsequious and fake all the time. I'd actually rather deal with someone aggressive and arrogant like Blake or Ryan. Seriously. If you look at Justin's emails and texts in isolation, it's like "aw, poor guy." When you look at them altogether and read his deposition, I'm like "dude, you're an a$$hole."

I have no doubt that Justin is insufferable, but my point was this latest round has been really bad for Blake and Ryan. Even the media that are usually friendly to them cannot resist having dirt on Taylor Swift and Taylor is not coming off great. I’m a swift fan and I get the defense that she was not really sure what was going on and believing her friend and blah blah blah but she looks like she was scheming and that she lied to the public when she said she wasn’t involved. She was pretty intimately involved.

And I always wondered why in her public statement from last year when she said she had nothing to do with this, and she didn’t even see the movie until several weeks after it was released, why she said that. Was it just an unnecessary dig at Blake? And now it’s seems clear from the texts that Blake gave her the login to the advanced screen just like Matt and Ben. So I wonder if she was even part of weighing on the final cut. There’s still tons of more documents that have not been released so we shall see.

But yes, my point was I don’t think Justin is a saint, but there were no salacious headlines this round. There’s nuance that people are digging into over on Reddit, but for the general public reading mainstream media its all Blake and Ryan because it’s just too good that they can involve Taylor, matt and Ben and also Ryan insulting executives at WME and Sony.

But neither Ryan or Taylor are on trial here, and the stuff people are mad about isn't even relevant to the case. People on reddit getting mad that Taylor's public statement about her involvement in the movie was sort of (but not entirely) misleading will have zero bearing on the outcome of this case.

Most of those emails and texts wouldn't be admissible in court anyway. A lot of the stuff people are mad about is just noise.

[/b]On the actual legally relevant aspects of the case, I think plenty has come out that makes Justin look bad. The depositions of key people, including Justin, Jenny Slate, Jamey Heath, Alex Sachs, the intimacy coordinator, Isabella, Ange Giannetti, and Blake all make Justin sound bad at his job, arrogant, unable to take responsibility for problems, childish, and sometimes lazy.[b]

No major studio is ever hiring Justin to direct a movie again, I can say that. Even if he's exonerated on the SH stuff. Just based explicitly on what a bad director/leader he appears to have been on this movie. I think it's very damaging to his professional reputation.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake is a Vulnerable Narcissist. Look it up.

Maybe, but the definition also describes Baldoni to a tee: A vulnerable narcissist (or covert narcissist) is characterized by
high insecurity, hypersensitivity to criticism, and chronic self-victimization, hiding their grandiosity behind a fragile, anxious, and often passive-aggressive demeanor. They share typical narcissistic traits like lack of empathy and entitlement but express them through resentment, emotional manipulation, and intense, draining relationship dynamic

That was my first thought. From the start I've had Justin pegged as a vulnerable narcissist, because he really does retreat into playing the victim any time he's called out on bad behavior.

I had a boss like this at one point, a woman, and there are a lot of parallels in their behavior. Including always having like a vague physical ailment to blame bad behavior on, suddenly claiming neurodivergence when faced with accountability for bad behavior, and surrounding himself with enablers who "take care" of him.

I don't really know if he SHed Lively, and i do think Lively and Reynolds have their own issues that contributed to this conflict. But the main reason I have never been "pro-Justin" is due to extensive experience working for someone with a similar personality. It is really difficult. Also I'm not surprised he's so polarizing, with some people adoring him and others hating him. That's exactly what my experience is. Basically some people buy into the vulnerable act and are motivated to protect this person from perceived attacks (even when they are in a perfectly powerful position and shouldn't need protecting), other people see through it.

With Justin, I'm sorry, but I see through it. He's a trust fund baby who did a very bad job running this movie and should never been doling out advice to men on anything, but especially not masculinity. He's a fraud and now people know. I can't believe people still fall for it!

Right, he’s the difficult personality here— not the actress who demands she rent her own wardrobe to movie, has the location of the movie filmed changed to suit her, calls meetings with her bosses at her home where she, her husband, and their famous friends berate them, refuses to sign her contract and constantly threatens to pull out of movie even after filming and has multiple female members of the crew fired. Got it.

PP here. I never said Blake wasn't difficult. She clearly is, and Ryan is worse. But the subject was who is a vulnerable narcissist. I don't read that in Blake and Ryan at all. They have several overt narcissistic behaviors, actually.

Baldoni is a covert, or vulnerable, narcissist. It's a specific kind of narcissism where a person with all the same narcissistic traits (grandiosity, lack of empathy, need to be center if attention) but instead of an overly aggressive it demanding personality, they use false vulnerability. All narcissists are hard to deal with but vulnerable narcissism can be especially challenging because it's inherently manipulative. You are tricked into giving them attention and deferring to them because they get you to feel sorry for them, or convince you their problems are bigger or more important.

All of these people are badly behaved rich people, and most have narcissistic tendencies of some kind, but Baldoni is the only one I'd categorize as a vulnerable narcissist. He fits the profile exactly.

I see no evidence that he is any type of narcissist, but Blake looks to be.

DP but... how??? I'm not here to stan for Blake either, I'm sure she is a difficult person and a diva, and I think she lacks talent. But how can he not be a narcissist when he decides to write books and give talks to other men to tell them how to interact with women (which it seems he does not follow at all), when he talks about his vision of the "female gaze" which is making actual women uncomfortable (and does not match the author's own vision as far as sex), and everything else he's done? The vulnerable narcissist describes him perfectly, like when he says he shut down, and was that little boy who couldn't speak up for himself... it's textbook!

None of what you described makes him a narcissist. I can see you projecting alot of your own issues, however, per usual.

Again, this is vulnerable narcissism. You might not be familiar with it. It's infuriating. This man is in his 40s, has kids, and runs a film studio. He assigned himself the role of director/co-star/producer of this movie. And then he constantly acts as though he has no responsiblity for anything that happened on the film and that he is a victim of everyone around him. That's vulnerable narcissism.

What's interesting is that not everyone can get away with this. I think Justin gets away with it because he's so good looking. I think it's a personality disorder he's basically developed to avoid personal accountability, and likely it started when he was young and found he could get away with a lot because of his looks. I've seen several interviews of him with other people and the dynamics back this up. Everyone treats him like a child -- his business partners, his wife. But he's not. He's an adult with a lot of privilege and responsibility.

People like this are infuriating.

Then you must also be a vulnerable narcissist because your posts are infuriating.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s insane that there are now thousands of documents out and Baldoni really doesn’t look that bad. I was expecting so much worse but he really hasn’t had embarrassing texts. Seems like he was literally just trying to get through this movie.

Blake and Ryan on the other hand look like unhinged giant a-holes who made taking over this movie their whole personality, to the point where they are no longer talking to the godmother of their daughters and they’ve embarrassed Sony and WME executives and a-listers like Matt and Ben.

I think you just aren't willing to open up your eyes to what looks bad for him. I think Blake and Ryan look terrible after reading their emails and texts, but Justin also seems awful. The issue is that his texts and emails aren't aggressive like Blake and Ryan. Instead he just lies and plays the victim and is obsequious and fake all the time. I'd actually rather deal with someone aggressive and arrogant like Blake or Ryan. Seriously. If you look at Justin's emails and texts in isolation, it's like "aw, poor guy." When you look at them altogether and read his deposition, I'm like "dude, you're an a$$hole."

I have no doubt that Justin is insufferable, but my point was this latest round has been really bad for Blake and Ryan. Even the media that are usually friendly to them cannot resist having dirt on Taylor Swift and Taylor is not coming off great. I’m a swift fan and I get the defense that she was not really sure what was going on and believing her friend and blah blah blah but she looks like she was scheming and that she lied to the public when she said she wasn’t involved. She was pretty intimately involved.

And I always wondered why in her public statement from last year when she said she had nothing to do with this, and she didn’t even see the movie until several weeks after it was released, why she said that. Was it just an unnecessary dig at Blake? And now it’s seems clear from the texts that Blake gave her the login to the advanced screen just like Matt and Ben. So I wonder if she was even part of weighing on the final cut. There’s still tons of more documents that have not been released so we shall see.

But yes, my point was I don’t think Justin is a saint, but there were no salacious headlines this round. There’s nuance that people are digging into over on Reddit, but for the general public reading mainstream media its all Blake and Ryan because it’s just too good that they can involve Taylor, matt and Ben and also Ryan insulting executives at WME and Sony.

But neither Ryan or Taylor are on trial here, and the stuff people are mad about isn't even relevant to the case. People on reddit getting mad that Taylor's public statement about her involvement in the movie was sort of (but not entirely) misleading will have zero bearing on the outcome of this case.

Most of those emails and texts wouldn't be admissible in court anyway. A lot of the stuff people are mad about is just noise.

On the actual legally relevant aspects of the case, I think plenty has come out that makes Justin look bad. The depositions of key people, including Justin, Jenny Slate, Jamey Heath, Alex Sachs, the intimacy coordinator, Isabella, Ange Giannetti, and Blake all make Justin sound bad at his job, arrogant, unable to take responsibility for problems, childish, and sometimes lazy.

No major studio is ever hiring Justin to direct a movie again, I can say that. Even if he's exonerated on the SH stuff. Just based explicitly on what a bad director/leader he appears to have been on this movie. I think it's very damaging to his professional reputation.

Agree with this. Very bad that he had major problems on two sets in a row when he was in a position of authority.

Time will tell with Blake. She's beautiful but not a huge talent, and through no fault of her own nearing her Hollywood sell-by date anyway. The smartest thing she could do is headline a glossy Apple series a la Jennifer Aniston and Jon Hamm. Ryan will emerge unscathed, if only because none of this was a secret to studio execs anyway. The fact that the public wasn't aware of his dark side is meaningless.

Blake is definitely not beautiful. She is average looking.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s insane that there are now thousands of documents out and Baldoni really doesn’t look that bad. I was expecting so much worse but he really hasn’t had embarrassing texts. Seems like he was literally just trying to get through this movie.

Blake and Ryan on the other hand look like unhinged giant a-holes who made taking over this movie their whole personality, to the point where they are no longer talking to the godmother of their daughters and they’ve embarrassed Sony and WME executives and a-listers like Matt and Ben.

I think you just aren't willing to open up your eyes to what looks bad for him. I think Blake and Ryan look terrible after reading their emails and texts, but Justin also seems awful. The issue is that his texts and emails aren't aggressive like Blake and Ryan. Instead he just lies and plays the victim and is obsequious and fake all the time. I'd actually rather deal with someone aggressive and arrogant like Blake or Ryan. Seriously. If you look at Justin's emails and texts in isolation, it's like "aw, poor guy." When you look at them altogether and read his deposition, I'm like "dude, you're an a$$hole."

I have no doubt that Justin is insufferable, but my point was this latest round has been really bad for Blake and Ryan. Even the media that are usually friendly to them cannot resist having dirt on Taylor Swift and Taylor is not coming off great. I’m a swift fan and I get the defense that she was not really sure what was going on and believing her friend and blah blah blah but she looks like she was scheming and that she lied to the public when she said she wasn’t involved. She was pretty intimately involved.

And I always wondered why in her public statement from last year when she said she had nothing to do with this, and she didn’t even see the movie until several weeks after it was released, why she said that. Was it just an unnecessary dig at Blake? And now it’s seems clear from the texts that Blake gave her the login to the advanced screen just like Matt and Ben. So I wonder if she was even part of weighing on the final cut. There’s still tons of more documents that have not been released so we shall see.

But yes, my point was I don’t think Justin is a saint, but there were no salacious headlines this round. There’s nuance that people are digging into over on Reddit, but for the general public reading mainstream media its all Blake and Ryan because it’s just too good that they can involve Taylor, matt and Ben and also Ryan insulting executives at WME and Sony.

But neither Ryan or Taylor are on trial here, and the stuff people are mad about isn't even relevant to the case. People on reddit getting mad that Taylor's public statement about her involvement in the movie was sort of (but not entirely) misleading will have zero bearing on the outcome of this case.

Most of those emails and texts wouldn't be admissible in court anyway. A lot of the stuff people are mad about is just noise.

On the actual legally relevant aspects of the case, I think plenty has come out that makes Justin look bad. The depositions of key people, including Justin, Jenny Slate, Jamey Heath, Alex Sachs, the intimacy coordinator, Isabella, Ange Giannetti, and Blake all make Justin sound bad at his job, arrogant, unable to take responsibility for problems, childish, and sometimes lazy.

No major studio is ever hiring Justin to direct a movie again, I can say that. Even if he's exonerated on the SH stuff. Just based explicitly on what a bad director/leader he appears to have been on this movie. I think it's very damaging to his professional reputation.

Agree with this. Very bad that he had major problems on two sets in a row when he was in a position of authority.

Time will tell with Blake. She's beautiful but not a huge talent, and through no fault of her own nearing her Hollywood sell-by date anyway. The smartest thing she could do is headline a glossy Apple series a la Jennifer Aniston and Jon Hamm. Ryan will emerge unscathed, if only because none of this was a secret to studio execs anyway. The fact that the public wasn't aware of his dark side is meaningless.

Anonymous wrote:Wasn't it the Blake bots that had an earlier thread closed because people were posting that Blake had a personality disorder? I guess they are again trying to get the thread shut down by throwing psychiatric labels around.

Stick to the lawsuit, non bots.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s insane that there are now thousands of documents out and Baldoni really doesn’t look that bad. I was expecting so much worse but he really hasn’t had embarrassing texts. Seems like he was literally just trying to get through this movie.

Blake and Ryan on the other hand look like unhinged giant a-holes who made taking over this movie their whole personality, to the point where they are no longer talking to the godmother of their daughters and they’ve embarrassed Sony and WME executives and a-listers like Matt and Ben.

I think you just aren't willing to open up your eyes to what looks bad for him. I think Blake and Ryan look terrible after reading their emails and texts, but Justin also seems awful. The issue is that his texts and emails aren't aggressive like Blake and Ryan. Instead he just lies and plays the victim and is obsequious and fake all the time. I'd actually rather deal with someone aggressive and arrogant like Blake or Ryan. Seriously. If you look at Justin's emails and texts in isolation, it's like "aw, poor guy." When you look at them altogether and read his deposition, I'm like "dude, you're an a$$hole."

I have no doubt that Justin is insufferable, but my point was this latest round has been really bad for Blake and Ryan. Even the media that are usually friendly to them cannot resist having dirt on Taylor Swift and Taylor is not coming off great. I’m a swift fan and I get the defense that she was not really sure what was going on and believing her friend and blah blah blah but she looks like she was scheming and that she lied to the public when she said she wasn’t involved. She was pretty intimately involved.

And I always wondered why in her public statement from last year when she said she had nothing to do with this, and she didn’t even see the movie until several weeks after it was released, why she said that. Was it just an unnecessary dig at Blake? And now it’s seems clear from the texts that Blake gave her the login to the advanced screen just like Matt and Ben. So I wonder if she was even part of weighing on the final cut. There’s still tons of more documents that have not been released so we shall see.

But yes, my point was I don’t think Justin is a saint, but there were no salacious headlines this round. There’s nuance that people are digging into over on Reddit, but for the general public reading mainstream media its all Blake and Ryan because it’s just too good that they can involve Taylor, matt and Ben and also Ryan insulting executives at WME and Sony.

But neither Ryan or Taylor are on trial here, and the stuff people are mad about isn't even relevant to the case. People on reddit getting mad that Taylor's public statement about her involvement in the movie was sort of (but not entirely) misleading will have zero bearing on the outcome of this case.

Most of those emails and texts wouldn't be admissible in court anyway. A lot of the stuff people are mad about is just noise.

On the actual legally relevant aspects of the case, I think plenty has come out that makes Justin look bad. The depositions of key people, including Justin, Jenny Slate, Jamey Heath, Alex Sachs, the intimacy coordinator, Isabella, Ange Giannetti, and Blake all make Justin sound bad at his job, arrogant, unable to take responsibility for problems, childish, and sometimes lazy.

No major studio is ever hiring Justin to direct a movie again, I can say that. Even if he's exonerated on the SH stuff. Just based explicitly on what a bad director/leader he appears to have been on this movie. I think it's very damaging to his professional reputation.

Agree with this. Very bad that he had major problems on two sets in a row when he was in a position of authority.

Time will tell with Blake. She's beautiful but not a huge talent, and through no fault of her own nearing her Hollywood sell-by date anyway. The smartest thing she could do is headline a glossy Apple series a la Jennifer Aniston and Jon Hamm. Ryan will emerge unscathed, if only because none of this was a secret to studio execs anyway. The fact that the public wasn't aware of his dark side is meaningless.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake is a Vulnerable Narcissist. Look it up.

Maybe, but the definition also describes Baldoni to a tee: A vulnerable narcissist (or covert narcissist) is characterized by
high insecurity, hypersensitivity to criticism, and chronic self-victimization, hiding their grandiosity behind a fragile, anxious, and often passive-aggressive demeanor. They share typical narcissistic traits like lack of empathy and entitlement but express them through resentment, emotional manipulation, and intense, draining relationship dynamic

That was my first thought. From the start I've had Justin pegged as a vulnerable narcissist, because he really does retreat into playing the victim any time he's called out on bad behavior.

I had a boss like this at one point, a woman, and there are a lot of parallels in their behavior. Including always having like a vague physical ailment to blame bad behavior on, suddenly claiming neurodivergence when faced with accountability for bad behavior, and surrounding himself with enablers who "take care" of him.

I don't really know if he SHed Lively, and i do think Lively and Reynolds have their own issues that contributed to this conflict. But the main reason I have never been "pro-Justin" is due to extensive experience working for someone with a similar personality. It is really difficult. Also I'm not surprised he's so polarizing, with some people adoring him and others hating him. That's exactly what my experience is. Basically some people buy into the vulnerable act and are motivated to protect this person from perceived attacks (even when they are in a perfectly powerful position and shouldn't need protecting), other people see through it.

With Justin, I'm sorry, but I see through it. He's a trust fund baby who did a very bad job running this movie and should never been doling out advice to men on anything, but especially not masculinity. He's a fraud and now people know. I can't believe people still fall for it!

Right, he’s the difficult personality here— not the actress who demands she rent her own wardrobe to movie, has the location of the movie filmed changed to suit her, calls meetings with her bosses at her home where she, her husband, and their famous friends berate them, refuses to sign her contract and constantly threatens to pull out of movie even after filming and has multiple female members of the crew fired. Got it.

PP here. I never said Blake wasn't difficult. She clearly is, and Ryan is worse. But the subject was who is a vulnerable narcissist. I don't read that in Blake and Ryan at all. They have several overt narcissistic behaviors, actually.

Baldoni is a covert, or vulnerable, narcissist. It's a specific kind of narcissism where a person with all the same narcissistic traits (grandiosity, lack of empathy, need to be center if attention) but instead of an overly aggressive it demanding personality, they use false vulnerability. All narcissists are hard to deal with but vulnerable narcissism can be especially challenging because it's inherently manipulative. You are tricked into giving them attention and deferring to them because they get you to feel sorry for them, or convince you their problems are bigger or more important.

All of these people are badly behaved rich people, and most have narcissistic tendencies of some kind, but Baldoni is the only one I'd categorize as a vulnerable narcissist. He fits the profile exactly.

I see no evidence that he is any type of narcissist, but Blake looks to be.

DP but... how??? I'm not here to stan for Blake either, I'm sure she is a difficult person and a diva, and I think she lacks talent. But how can he not be a narcissist when he decides to write books and give talks to other men to tell them how to interact with women (which it seems he does not follow at all), when he talks about his vision of the "female gaze" which is making actual women uncomfortable (and does not match the author's own vision as far as sex), and everything else he's done? The vulnerable narcissist describes him perfectly, like when he says he shut down, and was that little boy who couldn't speak up for himself... it's textbook!

None of what you described makes him a narcissist. I can see you projecting alot of your own issues, however, per usual.

Again, this is vulnerable narcissism. You might not be familiar with it. It's infuriating. This man is in his 40s, has kids, and runs a film studio. He assigned himself the role of director/co-star/producer of this movie. And then he constantly acts as though he has no responsiblity for anything that happened on the film and that he is a victim of everyone around him. That's vulnerable narcissism.

What's interesting is that not everyone can get away with this. I think Justin gets away with it because he's so good looking. I think it's a personality disorder he's basically developed to avoid personal accountability, and likely it started when he was young and found he could get away with a lot because of his looks. I've seen several interviews of him with other people and the dynamics back this up. Everyone treats him like a child -- his business partners, his wife. But he's not. He's an adult with a lot of privilege and responsibility.

People like this are infuriating.

He does pull the "hurt little boy" schtick a LOT. That is insanely manipulative. Also saying things like "I can say you look sexy because my wife is here." Eww, eww, EWW.

I would be incredibly annoyed by a comment like that by my boss. I actually probably would have handled it similar to the way Jenny did -- not say anything the first time because why get into it, but then if I heard him do it to a colleague a second time, I'd be stepping in to say "nope, please don't talk like that." I actually think it's easier to intervene when the comment is made towards someone else because then you have the authority of just being a third party and saying "look, comments like that are not okay." It helps escape the defense of "I'm just trying to say something nice!" or whatever.

I don't think those two comments on their own are SH, though. I think Blake's best arguments for SH are related to Jamey walking into her trailer when she was undressed, and the stuff regarding the birth scene (and Jamey showing the birth video). From the start, those have been the more relevant allegations to me. But the "sexy" comments as Jenny describes them definitely dont' make me like Justin and back up the idea that he was just generally kind of gross and inappropriate on set.

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Blake and Ryan on the other hand look like unhinged giant a-holes who made taking over this movie their whole personality, to the point where they are no longer talking to the godmother of their daughters and they’ve embarrassed Sony and WME executives and a-listers like Matt and Ben.

I think you just aren't willing to open up your eyes to what looks bad for him. I think Blake and Ryan look terrible after reading their emails and texts, but Justin also seems awful. The issue is that his texts and emails aren't aggressive like Blake and Ryan. Instead he just lies and plays the victim and is obsequious and fake all the time. I'd actually rather deal with someone aggressive and arrogant like Blake or Ryan. Seriously. If you look at Justin's emails and texts in isolation, it's like "aw, poor guy." When you look at them altogether and read his deposition, I'm like "dude, you're an a$$hole."

I have no doubt that Justin is insufferable, but my point was this latest round has been really bad for Blake and Ryan. Even the media that are usually friendly to them cannot resist having dirt on Taylor Swift and Taylor is not coming off great. I’m a swift fan and I get the defense that she was not really sure what was going on and believing her friend and blah blah blah but she looks like she was scheming and that she lied to the public when she said she wasn’t involved. She was pretty intimately involved.

And I always wondered why in her public statement from last year when she said she had nothing to do with this, and she didn’t even see the movie until several weeks after it was released, why she said that. Was it just an unnecessary dig at Blake? And now it’s seems clear from the texts that Blake gave her the login to the advanced screen just like Matt and Ben. So I wonder if she was even part of weighing on the final cut. There’s still tons of more documents that have not been released so we shall see.

But yes, my point was I don’t think Justin is a saint, but there were no salacious headlines this round. There’s nuance that people are digging into over on Reddit, but for the general public reading mainstream media its all Blake and Ryan because it’s just too good that they can involve Taylor, matt and Ben and also Ryan insulting executives at WME and Sony.

But neither Ryan or Taylor are on trial here, and the stuff people are mad about isn't even relevant to the case. People on reddit getting mad that Taylor's public statement about her involvement in the movie was sort of (but not entirely) misleading will have zero bearing on the outcome of this case.

Most of those emails and texts wouldn't be admissible in court anyway. A lot of the stuff people are mad about is just noise.

On the actual legally relevant aspects of the case, I think plenty has come out that makes Justin look bad. The depositions of key people, including Justin, Jenny Slate, Jamey Heath, Alex Sachs, the intimacy coordinator, Isabella, Ange Giannetti, and Blake all make Justin sound bad at his job, arrogant, unable to take responsibility for problems, childish, and sometimes lazy.

No major studio is ever hiring Justin to direct a movie again, I can say that. Even if he's exonerated on the SH stuff. Just based explicitly on what a bad director/leader he appears to have been on this movie. I think it's very damaging to his professional reputation.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake is a Vulnerable Narcissist. Look it up.

Maybe, but the definition also describes Baldoni to a tee: A vulnerable narcissist (or covert narcissist) is characterized by
high insecurity, hypersensitivity to criticism, and chronic self-victimization, hiding their grandiosity behind a fragile, anxious, and often passive-aggressive demeanor. They share typical narcissistic traits like lack of empathy and entitlement but express them through resentment, emotional manipulation, and intense, draining relationship dynamic

That was my first thought. From the start I've had Justin pegged as a vulnerable narcissist, because he really does retreat into playing the victim any time he's called out on bad behavior.

I had a boss like this at one point, a woman, and there are a lot of parallels in their behavior. Including always having like a vague physical ailment to blame bad behavior on, suddenly claiming neurodivergence when faced with accountability for bad behavior, and surrounding himself with enablers who "take care" of him.

I don't really know if he SHed Lively, and i do think Lively and Reynolds have their own issues that contributed to this conflict. But the main reason I have never been "pro-Justin" is due to extensive experience working for someone with a similar personality. It is really difficult. Also I'm not surprised he's so polarizing, with some people adoring him and others hating him. That's exactly what my experience is. Basically some people buy into the vulnerable act and are motivated to protect this person from perceived attacks (even when they are in a perfectly powerful position and shouldn't need protecting), other people see through it.

With Justin, I'm sorry, but I see through it. He's a trust fund baby who did a very bad job running this movie and should never been doling out advice to men on anything, but especially not masculinity. He's a fraud and now people know. I can't believe people still fall for it!

Right, he’s the difficult personality here— not the actress who demands she rent her own wardrobe to movie, has the location of the movie filmed changed to suit her, calls meetings with her bosses at her home where she, her husband, and their famous friends berate them, refuses to sign her contract and constantly threatens to pull out of movie even after filming and has multiple female members of the crew fired. Got it.

PP here. I never said Blake wasn't difficult. She clearly is, and Ryan is worse. But the subject was who is a vulnerable narcissist. I don't read that in Blake and Ryan at all. They have several overt narcissistic behaviors, actually.

Baldoni is a covert, or vulnerable, narcissist. It's a specific kind of narcissism where a person with all the same narcissistic traits (grandiosity, lack of empathy, need to be center if attention) but instead of an overly aggressive it demanding personality, they use false vulnerability. All narcissists are hard to deal with but vulnerable narcissism can be especially challenging because it's inherently manipulative. You are tricked into giving them attention and deferring to them because they get you to feel sorry for them, or convince you their problems are bigger or more important.

All of these people are badly behaved rich people, and most have narcissistic tendencies of some kind, but Baldoni is the only one I'd categorize as a vulnerable narcissist. He fits the profile exactly.

I see no evidence that he is any type of narcissist, but Blake looks to be.

DP but... how??? I'm not here to stan for Blake either, I'm sure she is a difficult person and a diva, and I think she lacks talent. But how can he not be a narcissist when he decides to write books and give talks to other men to tell them how to interact with women (which it seems he does not follow at all), when he talks about his vision of the "female gaze" which is making actual women uncomfortable (and does not match the author's own vision as far as sex), and everything else he's done? The vulnerable narcissist describes him perfectly, like when he says he shut down, and was that little boy who couldn't speak up for himself... it's textbook!

None of what you described makes him a narcissist. I can see you projecting alot of your own issues, however, per usual.

Again, this is vulnerable narcissism. You might not be familiar with it. It's infuriating. This man is in his 40s, has kids, and runs a film studio. He assigned himself the role of director/co-star/producer of this movie. And then he constantly acts as though he has no responsiblity for anything that happened on the film and that he is a victim of everyone around him. That's vulnerable narcissism.

What's interesting is that not everyone can get away with this. I think Justin gets away with it because he's so good looking. I think it's a personality disorder he's basically developed to avoid personal accountability, and likely it started when he was young and found he could get away with a lot because of his looks. I've seen several interviews of him with other people and the dynamics back this up. Everyone treats him like a child -- his business partners, his wife. But he's not. He's an adult with a lot of privilege and responsibility.

People like this are infuriating.

He does pull the "hurt little boy" schtick a LOT. That is insanely manipulative. Also saying things like "I can say you look sexy because my wife is here." Eww, eww, EWW.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s insane that there are now thousands of documents out and Baldoni really doesn’t look that bad. I was expecting so much worse but he really hasn’t had embarrassing texts. Seems like he was literally just trying to get through this movie.

Blake and Ryan on the other hand look like unhinged giant a-holes who made taking over this movie their whole personality, to the point where they are no longer talking to the godmother of their daughters and they’ve embarrassed Sony and WME executives and a-listers like Matt and Ben.

I think you just aren't willing to open up your eyes to what looks bad for him. I think Blake and Ryan look terrible after reading their emails and texts, but Justin also seems awful. The issue is that his texts and emails aren't aggressive like Blake and Ryan. Instead he just lies and plays the victim and is obsequious and fake all the time. I'd actually rather deal with someone aggressive and arrogant like Blake or Ryan. Seriously. If you look at Justin's emails and texts in isolation, it's like "aw, poor guy." When you look at them altogether and read his deposition, I'm like "dude, you're an a$$hole."

I have no doubt that Justin is insufferable, but my point was this latest round has been really bad for Blake and Ryan. Even the media that are usually friendly to them cannot resist having dirt on Taylor Swift and Taylor is not coming off great. I’m a swift fan and I get the defense that she was not really sure what was going on and believing her friend and blah blah blah but she looks like she was scheming and that she lied to the public when she said she wasn’t involved. She was pretty intimately involved.

And I always wondered why in her public statement from last year when she said she had nothing to do with this, and she didn’t even see the movie until several weeks after it was released, why she said that. Was it just an unnecessary dig at Blake? And now it’s seems clear from the texts that Blake gave her the login to the advanced screen just like Matt and Ben. So I wonder if she was even part of weighing on the final cut. There’s still tons of more documents that have not been released so we shall see.

But yes, my point was I don’t think Justin is a saint, but there were no salacious headlines this round. There’s nuance that people are digging into over on Reddit, but for the general public reading mainstream media its all Blake and Ryan because it’s just too good that they can involve Taylor, matt and Ben and also Ryan insulting executives at WME and Sony.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake is a Vulnerable Narcissist. Look it up.

Maybe, but the definition also describes Baldoni to a tee: A vulnerable narcissist (or covert narcissist) is characterized by
high insecurity, hypersensitivity to criticism, and chronic self-victimization, hiding their grandiosity behind a fragile, anxious, and often passive-aggressive demeanor. They share typical narcissistic traits like lack of empathy and entitlement but express them through resentment, emotional manipulation, and intense, draining relationship dynamic

That was my first thought. From the start I've had Justin pegged as a vulnerable narcissist, because he really does retreat into playing the victim any time he's called out on bad behavior.

I had a boss like this at one point, a woman, and there are a lot of parallels in their behavior. Including always having like a vague physical ailment to blame bad behavior on, suddenly claiming neurodivergence when faced with accountability for bad behavior, and surrounding himself with enablers who "take care" of him.

I don't really know if he SHed Lively, and i do think Lively and Reynolds have their own issues that contributed to this conflict. But the main reason I have never been "pro-Justin" is due to extensive experience working for someone with a similar personality. It is really difficult. Also I'm not surprised he's so polarizing, with some people adoring him and others hating him. That's exactly what my experience is. Basically some people buy into the vulnerable act and are motivated to protect this person from perceived attacks (even when they are in a perfectly powerful position and shouldn't need protecting), other people see through it.

With Justin, I'm sorry, but I see through it. He's a trust fund baby who did a very bad job running this movie and should never been doling out advice to men on anything, but especially not masculinity. He's a fraud and now people know. I can't believe people still fall for it!

Right, he’s the difficult personality here— not the actress who demands she rent her own wardrobe to movie, has the location of the movie filmed changed to suit her, calls meetings with her bosses at her home where she, her husband, and their famous friends berate them, refuses to sign her contract and constantly threatens to pull out of movie even after filming and has multiple female members of the crew fired. Got it.

PP here. I never said Blake wasn't difficult. She clearly is, and Ryan is worse. But the subject was who is a vulnerable narcissist. I don't read that in Blake and Ryan at all. They have several overt narcissistic behaviors, actually.

Baldoni is a covert, or vulnerable, narcissist. It's a specific kind of narcissism where a person with all the same narcissistic traits (grandiosity, lack of empathy, need to be center if attention) but instead of an overly aggressive it demanding personality, they use false vulnerability. All narcissists are hard to deal with but vulnerable narcissism can be especially challenging because it's inherently manipulative. You are tricked into giving them attention and deferring to them because they get you to feel sorry for them, or convince you their problems are bigger or more important.

All of these people are badly behaved rich people, and most have narcissistic tendencies of some kind, but Baldoni is the only one I'd categorize as a vulnerable narcissist. He fits the profile exactly.

I see no evidence that he is any type of narcissist, but Blake looks to be.

DP but... how??? I'm not here to stan for Blake either, I'm sure she is a difficult person and a diva, and I think she lacks talent. But how can he not be a narcissist when he decides to write books and give talks to other men to tell them how to interact with women (which it seems he does not follow at all), when he talks about his vision of the "female gaze" which is making actual women uncomfortable (and does not match the author's own vision as far as sex), and everything else he's done? The vulnerable narcissist describes him perfectly, like when he says he shut down, and was that little boy who couldn't speak up for himself... it's textbook!

None of what you described makes him a narcissist. I can see you projecting alot of your own issues, however, per usual.

Again, this is vulnerable narcissism. You might not be familiar with it. It's infuriating. This man is in his 40s, has kids, and runs a film studio. He assigned himself the role of director/co-star/producer of this movie. And then he constantly acts as though he has no responsiblity for anything that happened on the film and that he is a victim of everyone around him. That's vulnerable narcissism.

What's interesting is that not everyone can get away with this. I think Justin gets away with it because he's so good looking. I think it's a personality disorder he's basically developed to avoid personal accountability, and likely it started when he was young and found he could get away with a lot because of his looks. I've seen several interviews of him with other people and the dynamics back this up. Everyone treats him like a child -- his business partners, his wife. But he's not. He's an adult with a lot of privilege and responsibility.

People like this are infuriating.