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Anonymous wrote:I don't think the police left their bodies there. They would not leave bodies in an area that has bears and mountain lions.

They may have gotten botulism from eating something that was bad, maybe food that was improperly canned, or beef jerky that the dog would have also eaten. They could have fed the baby honey which can also cause botulism. If they hiked often, they might have had dehydrated food left in a backpack that had spoiled.

Another idea is a boulder hit them all. It doesn't seem likely though.

Toxic shock syndrome or post partum depression.

A hit and run from someone on a mountain bike or motorbike.

Usually when people die young, it's from an accident.

God help me, I can’t tell if you’re seriously positing these things or if you’re mocking the theories on this thread.

God help you? I was just brainstorming. Let's hear your ideas...

Are you familiar with any of the details of this story, at all? Because if one of your top guesses is “a boulder hit them all”, I’m guessing not.

Did you read that I stated I didn't think a boulder was likely? There have been stories of people getting hit by boulders on hikes. What's your top guess, Sherlock, if you're so up on all the details of the story?

You’re way past the point of getting to sarcastically call other people Sherlock, lol

Agree, though I admit there is a part of me that wishes I could be so ignorantly self-confident. There was a thread on here recently asking if posters were happy to chime in while reading absolutely no previous posts in a thread, and a depressing number of people said “yes”. This is one such person, it seems.

Very fit people die of heatstroke in lower temps than these.

https://sfist.com/2021/08/24/gps-data-from-philip-kreyciks-smart-watch-indicates-he-likely-succumbed-quickly-to-heat

LOL dogs don't randomly go off to look for help. Sure they'll go to Larlo's house if they've been there often enough. But if you're 100s of miles from Larlo that's not going to help

Lassie isn't a reality show, sheesh.

Sounds like some Missing 411 stuff:

https://www.amazon.com/Missing-411-George-Knapp/dp/B071JZDHKG

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think the police left their bodies there. They would not leave bodies in an area that has bears and mountain lions.

They may have gotten botulism from eating something that was bad, maybe food that was improperly canned, or beef jerky that the dog would have also eaten. They could have fed the baby honey which can also cause botulism. If they hiked often, they might have had dehydrated food left in a backpack that had spoiled.

Another idea is a boulder hit them all. It doesn't seem likely though.

Toxic shock syndrome or post partum depression.

A hit and run from someone on a mountain bike or motorbike.

Usually when people die young, it's from an accident.

God help me, I can’t tell if you’re seriously positing these things or if you’re mocking the theories on this thread.

God help you? I was just brainstorming. Let's hear your ideas...

Are you familiar with any of the details of this story, at all? Because if one of your top guesses is “a boulder hit them all”, I’m guessing not.

Did you read that I stated I didn't think a boulder was likely? There have been stories of people getting hit by boulders on hikes. What's your top guess, Sherlock, if you're so up on all the details of the story?

You’re way past the point of getting to sarcastically call other people Sherlock, lol

It was the dad.
In the woods.
With the canteen.

Check the cards.

What if they accepted poisoned food or drink from some weirdo they encountered on the trail?

Botulism paralyzes you and makes it so you can't breathe. More likely they would have eaten the spoiled food before the hike.

I doubt it was PPD.

I don't think it was an algal bloom. Seems obvious since it was in the area, but it's unlikely.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the dog's death that has me really confused. How does something incapacitate an animal the same way it incapacitates humans? Dogs are so incredibly loyal that if he still had breath in his body, he would have left to go for help for his humans. What kills a dog so quickly? Or did they die first and he stayed with their bodies? All horrifying.

I don't know what happened to this family but most dogs, no matter how loyal, would not go for help. That's only in movies. My own dog cannot find her way home from two houses down, let alone contemplate "help."

Disagree.

Agree with you. Mine knows the houses of all of his friends and if you say, "go see Larlo!" or whoever, he will lead you there. If we say, "go home" he can navigate from like 10 city blocks away, easily. My husband will pretend to be distressed and he zooms around looking for me to get my attention to show me. He's a puppy too, I an totally see this improving and I also get why these dogs (he's a Golden Retriever) are good service dogs, some of it seems innate. YMMV.

Mine wouldn’t go for help but he’d leave to find water, meander around, or go off somewhere to die (don’t animals usually go off to die alone if they can?). It’s as if they all died suddenly and at the same time.

If I died, my dog would literally just run off into a field of wildflowers, chasing butterflies and rabbits. At some point she'd wander up to people but would be more likely to hitch a ride back home with them and become the new family pet, than to lead them back to me.

I think it was some kind of poisoning.

toxic algae bloom can be aerolized and travel a fair distances. hot weather causes increase in bloom. dog could have frolicked in water, releasing more into the air. generally the effects seem to mimic neurological diseases, not instant death/respiratory death ,but who knows. what's baffling is that this appears to have happened rather fast and very strong. or maybe they started getting sick and were trying to make their way back....

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Anonymous wrote:It's the dog's death that has me really confused. How does something incapacitate an animal the same way it incapacitates humans? Dogs are so incredibly loyal that if he still had breath in his body, he would have left to go for help for his humans. What kills a dog so quickly? Or did they die first and he stayed with their bodies? All horrifying.

I don't know what happened to this family but most dogs, no matter how loyal, would not go for help. That's only in movies. My own dog cannot find her way home from two houses down, let alone contemplate "help."

Disagree.

Agree with you. Mine knows the houses of all of his friends and if you say, "go see Larlo!" or whoever, he will lead you there. If we say, "go home" he can navigate from like 10 city blocks away, easily. My husband will pretend to be distressed and he zooms around looking for me to get my attention to show me. He's a puppy too, I an totally see this improving and I also get why these dogs (he's a Golden Retriever) are good service dogs, some of it seems innate. YMMV.

Mine wouldn’t go for help but he’d leave to find water, meander around, or go off somewhere to die (don’t animals usually go off to die alone if they can?). It’s as if they all died suddenly and at the same time.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think the police left their bodies there. They would not leave bodies in an area that has bears and mountain lions.

They may have gotten botulism from eating something that was bad, maybe food that was improperly canned, or beef jerky that the dog would have also eaten. They could have fed the baby honey which can also cause botulism. If they hiked often, they might have had dehydrated food left in a backpack that had spoiled.

Another idea is a boulder hit them all. It doesn't seem likely though.

Toxic shock syndrome or post partum depression.

A hit and run from someone on a mountain bike or motorbike.

Usually when people die young, it's from an accident.

God help me, I can’t tell if you’re seriously positing these things or if you’re mocking the theories on this thread.

God help you? I was just brainstorming. Let's hear your ideas...

Are you familiar with any of the details of this story, at all? Because if one of your top guesses is “a boulder hit them all”, I’m guessing not.

Did you read that I stated I didn't think a boulder was likely? There have been stories of people getting hit by boulders on hikes. What's your top guess, Sherlock, if you're so up on all the details of the story?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think the police left their bodies there. They would not leave bodies in an area that has bears and mountain lions.

They may have gotten botulism from eating something that was bad, maybe food that was improperly canned, or beef jerky that the dog would have also eaten. They could have fed the baby honey which can also cause botulism. If they hiked often, they might have had dehydrated food left in a backpack that had spoiled.

Another idea is a boulder hit them all. It doesn't seem likely though.

Toxic shock syndrome or post partum depression.

A hit and run from someone on a mountain bike or motorbike.

Usually when people die young, it's from an accident.

God help me, I can’t tell if you’re seriously positing these things or if you’re mocking the theories on this thread.

God help you? I was just brainstorming. Let's hear your ideas...

Well, since there was no sign of trauma or injury, the mountain biker running them over and killing all 4 of them and somehow managing to escape unharmed himself- after hitting 3 humans and a dog, all at once, with such force as to kill them on the spot!!- seems unlikely.

Same with the boulder. Chances are, there'd have been a lot of blood and trauma, and, well, a boulder.

Not sure how all 3 people plus the dog would get toxic shock at the same time, as if by some act of God.

Not even going to get into the "they all ate some bad beef jerky and succumbed to it instantly, at the same time, with no sign of a struggle" theory.

Post partum depression- now, if by this you mean the woman killed them all in her post partum psychosis- yes, that's more plausible.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the dog's death that has me really confused. How does something incapacitate an animal the same way it incapacitates humans? Dogs are so incredibly loyal that if he still had breath in his body, he would have left to go for help for his humans. What kills a dog so quickly? Or did they die first and he stayed with their bodies? All horrifying.

I don't know what happened to this family but most dogs, no matter how loyal, would not go for help. That's only in movies. My own dog cannot find her way home from two houses down, let alone contemplate "help."

Disagree.

Agree with you. Mine knows the houses of all of his friends and if you say, "go see Larlo!" or whoever, he will lead you there. If we say, "go home" he can navigate from like 10 city blocks away, easily. My husband will pretend to be distressed and he zooms around looking for me to get my attention to show me. He's a puppy too, I an totally see this improving and I also get why these dogs (he's a Golden Retriever) are good service dogs, some of it seems innate. YMMV.