Anonymous wrote:Now we all know how different this would have played it if it were, God forbid, my white daughter. My heart goes out to his Mom, his girlfriend, his CHILD. The police force here in US needs to learn a gun isn’t the FIRST response.

Hopefully you have taught your white daughter to follow police directions if she gets pulled over.

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Anonymous wrote:Daunte Wright committing armed robbery with a deadly weapon IS serious. Stop trying to minimize his criminal past.



Nevertheless, the tape shows the female officer here simply made a tragic mistake.

There is NO evidence of racism or bad intent here. None whatsoever.

Stop trying to minimize the fact that the color of his skin is why it even escalated to him being tased.

So the alternative is let him drive off?

YES. Apprehend him later. No one needed to die over any of this.

Huh. And what happens the next time - any reason to believe he won’t resist a third time? So we should just sit around and wait from criminals to turn themselves in when they feel like it?

There are division in the police that pick people up on warrants. That is literally their whole job.

Oh my god, here comes the NYPD blue expert. Yes, there are fugitive squads. They are there to track down very, very bad guys, and other less bad guys if they have the time. Should police just stop making arrests and rely on one small squad to later track down everyone and find them? How about when the criminal with the warrant they just let go because the criminal decided he wasn’t ready commits other crimes. Are you serious? You have no idea how policing works.

Policing here. Not policing everywhere.

How do they apprehend fugitives in countries where most police don't carry guns? Let's try that.

Even in the US, most criminals are “apprehended” without drawing weapons. That’s because most subjects comply. Resistance is when risks increase for officers. And because the US is awash in guns, police are very much on edge.

And in case you didn’t notice, this officer attempted to use less than lethal force but made a really bad mistake.

I don't mean Kim Potter should have tried whatever is routinely done elsewhere. I mean maybe we start over, disarm most police, and standard practice becomes apprehensions the way they are done in places where most police are not armed. Because the way we are doing it, it doesn't seem to be working too well.

It’s not “the way we’re doing it.” It’s the reality we’re living in. Do you really think it’s a good idea to disarm the police in a country where there are more guns than people? The answer is obvious, and it’s not that cops are bad racist people - we need to ban guns and get them off the streets. Only then will you see a police force that is both engaged and more peaceful. Until then police are raised up and scared for their lives all the time, unlike other countries.

The other reality we live in is America marginalizing and disadvantaging the urban poor. And what causes that isn’t racist police - it’s a racist and selfish society. Police aren’t any more racist than people who move from DC to Bethesda for “good schools.” They are just working with what they’re up against and it’s easy for wealthy privileged moms with paper pusher jobs to criticize police to deflect the guilt from themselves.

So what you're saying is... it's systemic? C'mon, you're so close!

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Anonymous wrote:I cried when I found out what happened to Daunte, but I also cried when I heard she got charged. Both are tragedies.

Why would you cry? Unless you knew/know them personally, it seems like an extreme reaction.

PP, can we submit your response to the dictionary as the new meaning of "privilege"?

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Anonymous wrote:Daunte Wright committing armed robbery with a deadly weapon IS serious. Stop trying to minimize his criminal past.



Nevertheless, the tape shows the female officer here simply made a tragic mistake.

There is NO evidence of racism or bad intent here. None whatsoever.

Stop trying to minimize the fact that the color of his skin is why it even escalated to him being tased.

So the alternative is let him drive off?

YES. Apprehend him later. No one needed to die over any of this.

Huh. And what happens the next time - any reason to believe he won’t resist a third time? So we should just sit around and wait from criminals to turn themselves in when they feel like it?

There are division in the police that pick people up on warrants. That is literally their whole job.

Oh my god, here comes the NYPD blue expert. Yes, there are fugitive squads. They are there to track down very, very bad guys, and other less bad guys if they have the time. Should police just stop making arrests and rely on one small squad to later track down everyone and find them? How about when the criminal with the warrant they just let go because the criminal decided he wasn’t ready commits other crimes. Are you serious? You have no idea how policing works.

Nope. Work as LEO. There was no need for this. Fugitive is different than plain old warrants and we also have a group for high risk warrants.

Do your PHD in CSI did not help you here on the internet.

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Funny because I am a LEO too. In what jurisdiction do they teach officers to let outstanding warrants go because they are resisting?

Oh man, the answer is unequivocally NOT to disarm police. Crap that is the most ridiculous thought I’ve heard in a long time.

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Anonymous wrote:Daunte Wright committing armed robbery with a deadly weapon IS serious. Stop trying to minimize his criminal past.



Nevertheless, the tape shows the female officer here simply made a tragic mistake.

There is NO evidence of racism or bad intent here. None whatsoever.

Stop trying to minimize the fact that the color of his skin is why it even escalated to him being tased.

So the alternative is let him drive off?

YES. Apprehend him later. No one needed to die over any of this.

Huh. And what happens the next time - any reason to believe he won’t resist a third time? So we should just sit around and wait from criminals to turn themselves in when they feel like it?

Yes once he got out of the handcuffs and struggled with the police shooting would have been in line imo.

Good thing you're not a police officer. Apparently, even the cop who shot him didn't think that was in line. Please keep your day job!

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Anonymous wrote:Daunte Wright committing armed robbery with a deadly weapon IS serious. Stop trying to minimize his criminal past.



Nevertheless, the tape shows the female officer here simply made a tragic mistake.

There is NO evidence of racism or bad intent here. None whatsoever.

Stop trying to minimize the fact that the color of his skin is why it even escalated to him being tased.

So the alternative is let him drive off?

YES. Apprehend him later. No one needed to die over any of this.

Huh. And what happens the next time - any reason to believe he won’t resist a third time? So we should just sit around and wait from criminals to turn themselves in when they feel like it?

There are division in the police that pick people up on warrants. That is literally their whole job.

Oh my god, here comes the NYPD blue expert. Yes, there are fugitive squads. They are there to track down very, very bad guys, and other less bad guys if they have the time. Should police just stop making arrests and rely on one small squad to later track down everyone and find them? How about when the criminal with the warrant they just let go because the criminal decided he wasn’t ready commits other crimes. Are you serious? You have no idea how policing works.

Policing here. Not policing everywhere.

How do they apprehend fugitives in countries where most police don't carry guns? Let's try that.

Even in the US, most criminals are “apprehended” without drawing weapons. That’s because most subjects comply. Resistance is when risks increase for officers. And because the US is awash in guns, police are very much on edge.

And in case you didn’t notice, this officer attempted to use less than lethal force but made a really bad mistake.

I don't mean Kim Potter should have tried whatever is routinely done elsewhere. I mean maybe we start over, disarm most police, and standard practice becomes apprehensions the way they are done in places where most police are not armed. Because the way we are doing it, it doesn't seem to be working too well.

It’s not “the way we’re doing it.” It’s the reality we’re living in. Do you really think it’s a good idea to disarm the police in a country where there are more guns than people? The answer is obvious, and it’s not that cops are bad racist people - we need to ban guns and get them off the streets. Only then will you see a police force that is both engaged and more peaceful. Until then police are raised up and scared for their lives all the time, unlike other countries.

The other reality we live in is America marginalizing and disadvantaging the urban poor. And what causes that isn’t racist police - it’s a racist and selfish society. Police aren’t any more racist than people who move from DC to Bethesda for “good schools.” They are just working with what they’re up against and it’s easy for wealthy privileged moms with paper pusher jobs to criticize police to deflect the guilt from themselves.

We need unarmed traffic cops and cameras for traffic control.

Also, female cops have to carry a lot of equipment in a very uncomfortable way with the belt issue. They literally have trouble taking the time to pee during shifts due to the belt equipment load. I think we need to rethink the gear system.

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Anonymous wrote:Daunte Wright committing armed robbery with a deadly weapon IS serious. Stop trying to minimize his criminal past.



Nevertheless, the tape shows the female officer here simply made a tragic mistake.

There is NO evidence of racism or bad intent here. None whatsoever.

Stop trying to minimize the fact that the color of his skin is why it even escalated to him being tased.

So the alternative is let him drive off?

YES. Apprehend him later. No one needed to die over any of this.

Huh. And what happens the next time - any reason to believe he won’t resist a third time? So we should just sit around and wait from criminals to turn themselves in when they feel like it?

There are division in the police that pick people up on warrants. That is literally their whole job.

Oh my god, here comes the NYPD blue expert. Yes, there are fugitive squads. They are there to track down very, very bad guys, and other less bad guys if they have the time. Should police just stop making arrests and rely on one small squad to later track down everyone and find them? How about when the criminal with the warrant they just let go because the criminal decided he wasn’t ready commits other crimes. Are you serious? You have no idea how policing works.

Nope. Work as LEO. There was no need for this. Fugitive is different than plain old warrants and we also have a group for high risk warrants.

Do your PHD in CSI did not help you here on the internet.

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Anonymous wrote:I cried when I found out what happened to Daunte, but I also cried when I heard she got charged. Both are tragedies.

Why would you cry? Unless you knew/know them personally, it seems like an extreme reaction.

Teary-eyed, not sobbing crying. Same thing happens when I hear about a child being abused or abandoned on the news... or about a very tragic event... I don’t know, I have empathy? it doesn’t ruin my day, but I feel for the person, family, and friends. I find it quite normal and healthy.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting how we expect a 20 year old to make all the correct moves while in an extremely stressful situation, but we can make excuses for a 26 year veteran of the police force who "made a mistake" in the same situation that she's probably been in a few dozen times, and has been trained to handle it.

Thank you for this point, which should be abundantly obvious to anyone capable of rational thought.

I should add that I very much hope she is convicted of manslaughter and serves every one of the ten years maximum term, but my quarter century in the system leaves me with the certainty that she is likely to not be convicted, and even if she is, to serve a piddling sentence just like Oscar Grant's killer did.

Will she also be sued by the victim’s family? Not only should she not benefit from her pension but it would be nice to keep her forever tied up in court, spending money on legal fees and not letting her “walk”.

To what end?? This was an unbelievable freak accident. There is absolutely zero deterrent factor here. There isn’t even a rational punishment factor. This was horrid accident.

she was just charged with manslaughter. She took a life, I'd have no problem with hers being ruined as a result

I'm not the person you were responding to, but wow you are a miserable person. People like you scare me more than incompetent police officers and armed robbers.

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Anonymous wrote:If I were on that jury, there is a zero percent chance I would find her guilty.

...and that's why the jury selection process is so important and time consuming. They usually weed out closed minded people like you. You'll never take the time to dig deeper into what happened and why it possibly happened. It's just another young Black man off the streets for you. Have a good day!

Agree on the jury selection process being very important but let me just add that I am a female POC who used to be a public defender. Carry on, now

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Anonymous wrote:Daunte Wright committing armed robbery with a deadly weapon IS serious. Stop trying to minimize his criminal past.



Nevertheless, the tape shows the female officer here simply made a tragic mistake.

There is NO evidence of racism or bad intent here. None whatsoever.

Stop trying to minimize the fact that the color of his skin is why it even escalated to him being tased.

So the alternative is let him drive off?

YES. Apprehend him later. No one needed to die over any of this.

Huh. And what happens the next time - any reason to believe he won’t resist a third time? So we should just sit around and wait from criminals to turn themselves in when they feel like it?

Yes once he got out of the handcuffs and struggled with the police shooting would have been in line imo.

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Anonymous wrote:Daunte Wright committing armed robbery with a deadly weapon IS serious. Stop trying to minimize his criminal past.



Nevertheless, the tape shows the female officer here simply made a tragic mistake.

There is NO evidence of racism or bad intent here. None whatsoever.

Stop trying to minimize the fact that the color of his skin is why it even escalated to him being tased.

So the alternative is let him drive off?

YES. Apprehend him later. No one needed to die over any of this.

Huh. And what happens the next time - any reason to believe he won’t resist a third time? So we should just sit around and wait from criminals to turn themselves in when they feel like it?

There are division in the police that pick people up on warrants. That is literally their whole job.

Oh my god, here comes the NYPD blue expert. Yes, there are fugitive squads. They are there to track down very, very bad guys, and other less bad guys if they have the time. Should police just stop making arrests and rely on one small squad to later track down everyone and find them? How about when the criminal with the warrant they just let go because the criminal decided he wasn’t ready commits other crimes. Are you serious? You have no idea how policing works.

Policing here. Not policing everywhere.

How do they apprehend fugitives in countries where most police don't carry guns? Let's try that.

Even in the US, most criminals are “apprehended” without drawing weapons. That’s because most subjects comply. Resistance is when risks increase for officers. And because the US is awash in guns, police are very much on edge.

And in case you didn’t notice, this officer attempted to use less than lethal force but made a really bad mistake.

I don't mean Kim Potter should have tried whatever is routinely done elsewhere. I mean maybe we start over, disarm most police, and standard practice becomes apprehensions the way they are done in places where most police are not armed. Because the way we are doing it, it doesn't seem to be working too well.

I'm going to assume you haven't lived in the US for long. Most citizens are allowed to carry guns so police should be armed too. As a Black man, I have no problem with cops carrying firearms. That's a completely different issue than what we are discussing here.

If you want to discuss gun control, that's an entirely different discussion but if citizens can carry guns (even criminals), then I want police to have them too.

LOL. No. 46 years old. Born and raised here. Guns vs guns just doesn't seem to be working the way we're told it's supposed to work.

Anonymous wrote:If I were on that jury, there is a zero percent chance I would find her guilty.

...and that's why the jury selection process is so important and time consuming. They usually weed out closed minded people like you. You'll never take the time to dig deeper into what happened and why it possibly happened. It's just another young Black man off the streets for you. Have a good day!