Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he took more drugs in the car, that in addition to the stress of the arrest could have caused a heart attack and/or overdose. I'm not convinced Chauvin's knee was pressing hard. Sometimes it did seem like his knee was more towards the back.

His death was caused by multiple factors. Two people at Cup Foods who sensed something wasn't right. Rookie cops who couldn't get him in the car. Hardened cops. COVID. Meth, fentanyl, cigarettes. He said he couldn't breathe before Chauvin's knee was ever on him. What Chauvin did was not right, but GF was already dying.

I really, really hope you get to experience a panic attack one day. I’m not even Black, nor do I have a history of drug use and a terrible history with the racist judicial system, as well as an angry, control freak cop anywhere near me. Really, I hope you get to experience panic attacks and how you can feel like you can’t breathe and you’re dying.

Only in George Floyd’s case, Derek Chauvin murdered him in cold blood. Why? Because he knew people like you would cape for him.

Me again.

Because your offensive a$$ post is so stupidly ignorant. Derek Chauvin lost consciousness about four minutes into Chauvin kneeling on his neck. FOUR MINUTES. That left FIVE MINUTES in which an unconscious man, absolutely zero danger to anyone, lay under a man’s knee as witnesses to the crime begged him to get off including an off duty EMT who said she could begin to resuscitate him. And Chauvin just knelt there, on a man’s neck. Because he could.

NP here. Also, the pp saying GF was already dying. You have got to be kidding me. That is probably the most incredibly ridiculous thing I've heard yet to defend the POS officer. And I"ve heard some really dumb stuff. It's clear from the video footage that GF started dying only after Chavin's knee was on his neck and his airways became restricted.

^^ Also, one of the officers pointed his gun at Floyd and that could have easily triggered an anxiety attack. It happened to Floyd in the past and his friend told one of the officers that Floyd had anxiety from it. He likely had PTSD.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he took more drugs in the car, that in addition to the stress of the arrest could have caused a heart attack and/or overdose. I'm not convinced Chauvin's knee was pressing hard. Sometimes it did seem like his knee was more towards the back.

His death was caused by multiple factors. Two people at Cup Foods who sensed something wasn't right. Rookie cops who couldn't get him in the car. Hardened cops. COVID. Meth, fentanyl, cigarettes. He said he couldn't breathe before Chauvin's knee was ever on him. What Chauvin did was not right, but GF was already dying.

I really, really hope you get to experience a panic attack one day. I’m not even Black, nor do I have a history of drug use and a terrible history with the racist judicial system, as well as an angry, control freak cop anywhere near me. Really, I hope you get to experience panic attacks and how you can feel like you can’t breathe and you’re dying.

Only in George Floyd’s case, Derek Chauvin murdered him in cold blood. Why? Because he knew people like you would cape for him.

Me again.

Because your offensive a$$ post is so stupidly ignorant. Derek Chauvin lost consciousness about four minutes into Chauvin kneeling on his neck. FOUR MINUTES. That left FIVE MINUTES in which an unconscious man, absolutely zero danger to anyone, lay under a man’s knee as witnesses to the crime begged him to get off including an off duty EMT who said she could begin to resuscitate him. And Chauvin just knelt there, on a man’s neck. Because he could.

Anonymous wrote:If he took more drugs in the car, that in addition to the stress of the arrest could have caused a heart attack and/or overdose. I'm not convinced Chauvin's knee was pressing hard. Sometimes it did seem like his knee was more towards the back.

His death was caused by multiple factors. Two people at Cup Foods who sensed something wasn't right. Rookie cops who couldn't get him in the car. Hardened cops. COVID. Meth, fentanyl, cigarettes. He said he couldn't breathe before Chauvin's knee was ever on him. What Chauvin did was not right, but GF was already dying.

I really, really hope you get to experience a panic attack one day. I’m not even Black, nor do I have a history of drug use and a terrible history with the racist judicial system, as well as an angry, control freak cop anywhere near me. Really, I hope you get to experience panic attacks and how you can feel like you can’t breathe and you’re dying.

Only in George Floyd’s case, Derek Chauvin murdered him in cold blood. Why? Because he knew people like you would cape for him.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s see what happens. If the police officer gets charged with murder in this case there will be very few officers willing to either choose to respond to calls or choose this as a career.

I think this will weed out people becoming cops for the wrong reasons.

Yes. What would be great is if we could have an actual conversation around how we police in America and if it's effective. I think the results of that would be very eye-opening.

If he took more drugs in the car, that in addition to the stress of the arrest could have caused a heart attack and/or overdose. I'm not convinced Chauvin's knee was pressing hard. Sometimes it did seem like his knee was more towards the back.

His death was caused by multiple factors. Two people at Cup Foods who sensed something wasn't right. Rookie cops who couldn't get him in the car. Hardened cops. COVID. Meth, fentanyl, cigarettes. He said he couldn't breathe before Chauvin's knee was ever on him. What Chauvin did was not right, but GF was already dying.

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Anonymous wrote:Hall is pleading the fifth because of possible third degree murder charges in the future due to drugs found in the car.

He was a defense witness, right?

It seemed that way based on court today. The state could offer him immunity in exchange for testimony if they felt it was critical to their case. His current legal issues are unrelated to this specific incident.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s see what happens. If the police officer gets charged with murder in this case there will be very few officers willing to either choose to respond to calls or choose this as a career.

I think this will weed out people becoming cops for the wrong reasons.

If you are dissuaded from becoming a cop because Chauvin was charged with murder after kneeling on a person's neck for nine and a half minutes, in violation of department policy and training, then you never had any business being a cop. "Oh, no, I can't murder people with impunity! Guess policing isn't for me!"

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The complaint and general identification from the manager unquestionably provided reasonable suspicion for a stop.

In a strict sense, if someone was just looking at this portion in the event of a complaint, I would agree that Lane would probably not have an issue meeting a pretty low bar. But in the sense of whether it was the way an average or more experienced officer would handle the call, I think that is questionable but don’t know enough about Minneapolis specifically. People in cities complain all the time that officers “don’t do anything” when responding to nonviolent theft or property crimes in the context of making arrests when the incident isn’t in progress. There are a few reasons.

The interaction with the manager at Cup Foods is extremely brief. He does say “the driver” which Lane confirms, but it isn’t really clear that the car would be visible enough from the entrance of Cup Foods where that conversation takes place. We learned in trial that the manager sent his young employee out to talk to the people in the car twice before calling police, so I surmise that’s how he knew who was in the driver’s seat. But there’s no way Lane and Keung could have known how reliable that ID was based on the interaction we see taking place in the entryway to Cup Foods.

He does say something like “go before he drives off” which arguably might create the perception that the car had been driving.

It’s worth noting that Chief Arradondo was questioned yesterday by the prosecution and this came up, he said that someone accused of passing a counterfeit bill wouldn’t be taken to jail. That’s kind of specific and I think it’s accurate to say that doesn’t capture the full interaction that led to Floyd being cuffed. But I do think that when Lane and Keung are on trial, MPD witnesses will be reluctant to defend the extremely brief interaction at Cup Foods. I’m blanking on how much we’ve heard on the initial dispatch details, but in his BCA interview, I recall Lane saying the call was initially dispatched as a “forgery in progress.” It is unusual at least, that in a city on Memorial Day, officers would have been dispatched so quickly to a report of a counterfeit $20. It’s possible there were some more details given to the original dispatch that increased the call priority, or they had already investigated this issue before. We haven’t heard the manager testify yet, just two young employees. Also notable that surveillance video from inside Cup shows the manager had a handgun visible in his back pocket. I’m not sure exactly what the takeaway from that is, in terms of what he expects to encounter day to day, but it did stand out.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree Chauvin did the wrong thing. But it’s still not murder.

You need to re-exam the definition of murder.

If you "do the wrong thing", and it results in death, that is murder. Like vehicular homicide, as in Chauvin intentionally did the wrong thing. For 9 minutes, while people filmed and a dying man begged.

No, it's manslaughter.

Manslaughter implies a crime of passion. Nothing passionate about sitting in one spot for 10 minutes choking someone in obvious distress.

No it doesn't.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why again did they even pull George out of his car, escalating the situation in the first place? A claim that he gave a counterfeit bill? Is that even procedurally allowed to handcuff someone without cause, or was it a presumption based on his appearance.

I’m not sure why they went to the parked car as quickly they did, except that Lane and Keung, the two officers who were responding to Cup, were on their second and third shift. Once they got to the car, things escalated because Floyd is clearly under the influence, appears scared, and has difficulty responding. From there they likely have probable cause to make an arrest, but the initial “stop” or interaction is questionable based on the extremely limited interaction they have with Cup Foods in terms of investigating their story.

Lane’s bodycam shows that they entered Cup Foods and very briefly spoke to the manager who says they’re over there in that car, the driver. The car is across the street but not directly across, it’s up the street a little bit. So the officers are approaching the car by walking up along the back door on the drivers side. Lane raps on the window with his flashlight and this obviously startles the occupants. He then immediately starts asking to see Floyd’s hands and draws his gun apparently because Floyd is not showing his right hand. Total evidence shows that Floyd likely put some drugs in his mouth around this time.

I’m not sure why they chose to approach the car from that direction, or at all, except that they were really new officers. Although an officer would approach from that direction in a regular traffic stop, they would do so after the driver had been notified in a sense that an officer is approaching. Not sure if MPD trains officers to approach the same way to a parked car. The approach itself, with such limited information, is also questionable.

The complaint and general identification from the manager unquestionably provided reasonable suspicion for a stop.

Anonymous wrote:Let’s see what happens. If the police officer gets charged with murder in this case there will be very few officers willing to either choose to respond to calls or choose this as a career.

I think this will weed out people becoming cops for the wrong reasons.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree Chauvin did the wrong thing. But it’s still not murder.

You need to re-exam the definition of murder.

If you "do the wrong thing", and it results in death, that is murder. Like vehicular homicide, as in Chauvin intentionally did the wrong thing. For 9 minutes, while people filmed and a dying man begged.

No, it's manslaughter.

Manslaughter implies a crime of passion. Nothing passionate about sitting in one spot for 10 minutes choking someone in obvious distress.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree Chauvin did the wrong thing. But it’s still not murder.

You need to re-exam the definition of murder.

If you "do the wrong thing", and it results in death, that is murder. Like vehicular homicide, as in Chauvin intentionally did the wrong thing. For 9 minutes, while people filmed and a dying man begged.

No, it's manslaughter.

Anonymous wrote:Why again did they even pull George out of his car, escalating the situation in the first place? A claim that he gave a counterfeit bill? Is that even procedurally allowed to handcuff someone without cause, or was it a presumption based on his appearance.

I’m not sure why they went to the parked car as quickly they did, except that Lane and Keung, the two officers who were responding to Cup, were on their second and third shift. Once they got to the car, things escalated because Floyd is clearly under the influence, appears scared, and has difficulty responding. From there they likely have probable cause to make an arrest, but the initial “stop” or interaction is questionable based on the extremely limited interaction they have with Cup Foods in terms of investigating their story.

Lane’s bodycam shows that they entered Cup Foods and very briefly spoke to the manager who says they’re over there in that car, the driver. The car is across the street but not directly across, it’s up the street a little bit. So the officers are approaching the car by walking up along the back door on the drivers side. Lane raps on the window with his flashlight and this obviously startles the occupants. He then immediately starts asking to see Floyd’s hands and draws his gun apparently because Floyd is not showing his right hand. Total evidence shows that Floyd likely put some drugs in his mouth around this time.

I’m not sure why they chose to approach the car from that direction, or at all, except that they were really new officers. Although an officer would approach from that direction in a regular traffic stop, they would do so after the driver had been notified in a sense that an officer is approaching. Not sure if MPD trains officers to approach the same way to a parked car. The approach itself, with such limited information, is also questionable.