That’s another reason why the countries touched by Nazies don’t really care about slavery all that much.

Anonymous wrote:Please, please stop.

There are no standard measurements for things like evil inflicted or pain suffered. There is nothing to be gained from weighing one atrocity versus another. The compassion we feel for the victims of one atrocity doesn’t limit the compassion we feel for the victims of the other. One person’s pain doesn’t negate another’s.

There’s no good reason for this divisiveness.

Anonymous wrote:The south has suffered grievously from the institution of slavery. It was a terrible error.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it like this. I believe it's good that people condemn Nazis and condemn people who celebrate Nazis. I don't like that people celebrate antebellum Southerners, and I don't understand how people who hate Nazis can embrace Southerners. For me, the reason the two should be condemned in no uncertain terms is because they engaged in horrific acts against other humans.

I think my disconnect is that people appreciate the evil that was done to Jewish people by Nazis but, somehow, they don't see what was done to black people in the South as being quite as bad. I'm not trying to turn this into a competition. But I can't see how what was done to the slaves was a lesser evil than what was done to the Jews.

So, you get people like OP who just sees the antebellum South as people in pretty clothes. I think that's because he doesn't internalize slavery as being century after unrelenting century of torture, rape, murder, kidnapping, and brutalization from cradle to grave.

+1. Hitler made his regime study what was being done to Black people in the Jim Crow South to better inform them how to deal with Jewish people.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/
https://billmoyers.com/story/hitler-america-nazi-race-law/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
https://time.com/4703586/nazis-america-race-law/

In terms of timelines, Kristallnacht (1938) wasn't really all that far removed from Appomattox (1865). At any rate, they're closer to each other than to the present day.

In terms of world historical change over that short period compared to now, you are living a life a lot more like an average 1938 German than an 1865 Southerner.

An important point (to me at least) is that some of us have relationships with people who were DIRECTLY AFFECTED by the Holocaust/WWII. There are people still alive TODAY who were ACTUAL victims of the Holocaust, not descendants of the victims claiming their ancestors suffering as their own. It is actually NOT comparable.

We all agree that American slavery was evil and the ramifications are still felt today, but despite your feelings it did not happen to YOU.

I know more people affected by American slavery than I know people who were affected by the Holocaust.

How many millions did the Germans kill during WW2? Do you want to compare the numbers with killed slaves?

You're not inclined to count the raped black people? The tortured ones? The ones beaten and brutalized? The ones who had their children stolen from them? The years cut short by being forced to live in appalling conditions? How do the years, decades, and centuries of continued abuse fit into such a metric?

I guess ignoring everything but direct murders lets people pretend that their Southern "heritage" is somehow more forgivable than Nazi atrocities.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it like this. I believe it's good that people condemn Nazis and condemn people who celebrate Nazis. I don't like that people celebrate antebellum Southerners, and I don't understand how people who hate Nazis can embrace Southerners. For me, the reason the two should be condemned in no uncertain terms is because they engaged in horrific acts against other humans.

I think my disconnect is that people appreciate the evil that was done to Jewish people by Nazis but, somehow, they don't see what was done to black people in the South as being quite as bad. I'm not trying to turn this into a competition. But I can't see how what was done to the slaves was a lesser evil than what was done to the Jews.

So, you get people like OP who just sees the antebellum South as people in pretty clothes. I think that's because he doesn't internalize slavery as being century after unrelenting century of torture, rape, murder, kidnapping, and brutalization from cradle to grave.

+1. Hitler made his regime study what was being done to Black people in the Jim Crow South to better inform them how to deal with Jewish people.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/
https://billmoyers.com/story/hitler-america-nazi-race-law/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
https://time.com/4703586/nazis-america-race-law/

In terms of timelines, Kristallnacht (1938) wasn't really all that far removed from Appomattox (1865). At any rate, they're closer to each other than to the present day.

In terms of world historical change over that short period compared to now, you are living a life a lot more like an average 1938 German than an 1865 Southerner.

An important point (to me at least) is that some of us have relationships with people who were DIRECTLY AFFECTED by the Holocaust/WWII. There are people still alive TODAY who were ACTUAL victims of the Holocaust, not descendants of the victims claiming their ancestors suffering as their own. It is actually NOT comparable.

We all agree that American slavery was evil and the ramifications are still felt today, but despite your feelings it did not happen to YOU.

I know more people affected by American slavery than I know people who were affected by the Holocaust.

How many millions did the Germans kill during WW2? Do you want to compare the numbers with killed slaves?

You're not inclined to count the raped black people? The tortured ones? The ones beaten and brutalized? The ones who had their children stolen from them? The years cut short by being forced to live in appalling conditions? How do the years, decades, and centuries of continued abuse fit into such a metric?

I guess ignoring everything but direct murders lets people pretend that their Southern "heritage" is somehow more forgivable than Nazi atrocities.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it like this. I believe it's good that people condemn Nazis and condemn people who celebrate Nazis. I don't like that people celebrate antebellum Southerners, and I don't understand how people who hate Nazis can embrace Southerners. For me, the reason the two should be condemned in no uncertain terms is because they engaged in horrific acts against other humans.

I think my disconnect is that people appreciate the evil that was done to Jewish people by Nazis but, somehow, they don't see what was done to black people in the South as being quite as bad. I'm not trying to turn this into a competition. But I can't see how what was done to the slaves was a lesser evil than what was done to the Jews.

So, you get people like OP who just sees the antebellum South as people in pretty clothes. I think that's because he doesn't internalize slavery as being century after unrelenting century of torture, rape, murder, kidnapping, and brutalization from cradle to grave.

+1. Hitler made his regime study what was being done to Black people in the Jim Crow South to better inform them how to deal with Jewish people.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/
https://billmoyers.com/story/hitler-america-nazi-race-law/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
https://time.com/4703586/nazis-america-race-law/

In terms of timelines, Kristallnacht (1938) wasn't really all that far removed from Appomattox (1865). At any rate, they're closer to each other than to the present day.

In terms of world historical change over that short period compared to now, you are living a life a lot more like an average 1938 German than an 1865 Southerner.

An important point (to me at least) is that some of us have relationships with people who were DIRECTLY AFFECTED by the Holocaust/WWII. There are people still alive TODAY who were ACTUAL victims of the Holocaust, not descendants of the victims claiming their ancestors suffering as their own. It is actually NOT comparable.

We all agree that American slavery was evil and the ramifications are still felt today, but despite your feelings it did not happen to YOU.

I know more people affected by American slavery than I know people who were affected by the Holocaust.

How many millions did the Germans kill during WW2? Do you want to compare the numbers with killed slaves?

You're not inclined to count the raped black people? The tortured ones? The ones beaten and brutalized? The ones who had their children stolen from them? The years cut short by being forced to live in appalling conditions? How do the years, decades, and centuries of continued abuse fit into such a metric?

I guess ignoring everything but direct murders lets people pretend that their Southern "heritage" is somehow more forgivable than Nazi atrocities.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it like this. I believe it's good that people condemn Nazis and condemn people who celebrate Nazis. I don't like that people celebrate antebellum Southerners, and I don't understand how people who hate Nazis can embrace Southerners. For me, the reason the two should be condemned in no uncertain terms is because they engaged in horrific acts against other humans.

I think my disconnect is that people appreciate the evil that was done to Jewish people by Nazis but, somehow, they don't see what was done to black people in the South as being quite as bad. I'm not trying to turn this into a competition. But I can't see how what was done to the slaves was a lesser evil than what was done to the Jews.

So, you get people like OP who just sees the antebellum South as people in pretty clothes. I think that's because he doesn't internalize slavery as being century after unrelenting century of torture, rape, murder, kidnapping, and brutalization from cradle to grave.

+1. Hitler made his regime study what was being done to Black people in the Jim Crow South to better inform them how to deal with Jewish people.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/
https://billmoyers.com/story/hitler-america-nazi-race-law/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
https://time.com/4703586/nazis-america-race-law/

In terms of timelines, Kristallnacht (1938) wasn't really all that far removed from Appomattox (1865). At any rate, they're closer to each other than to the present day.

In terms of world historical change over that short period compared to now, you are living a life a lot more like an average 1938 German than an 1865 Southerner.

An important point (to me at least) is that some of us have relationships with people who were DIRECTLY AFFECTED by the Holocaust/WWII. There are people still alive TODAY who were ACTUAL victims of the Holocaust, not descendants of the victims claiming their ancestors suffering as their own. It is actually NOT comparable.

We all agree that American slavery was evil and the ramifications are still felt today, but despite your feelings it did not happen to YOU.

I know more people affected by American slavery than I know people who were affected by the Holocaust.

How many millions did the Germans kill during WW2? Do you want to compare the numbers with killed slaves?

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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it like this. I believe it's good that people condemn Nazis and condemn people who celebrate Nazis. I don't like that people celebrate antebellum Southerners, and I don't understand how people who hate Nazis can embrace Southerners. For me, the reason the two should be condemned in no uncertain terms is because they engaged in horrific acts against other humans.

I think my disconnect is that people appreciate the evil that was done to Jewish people by Nazis but, somehow, they don't see what was done to black people in the South as being quite as bad. I'm not trying to turn this into a competition. But I can't see how what was done to the slaves was a lesser evil than what was done to the Jews.

So, you get people like OP who just sees the antebellum South as people in pretty clothes. I think that's because he doesn't internalize slavery as being century after unrelenting century of torture, rape, murder, kidnapping, and brutalization from cradle to grave.

+1. Hitler made his regime study what was being done to Black people in the Jim Crow South to better inform them how to deal with Jewish people.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/
https://billmoyers.com/story/hitler-america-nazi-race-law/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
https://time.com/4703586/nazis-america-race-law/

In terms of timelines, Kristallnacht (1938) wasn't really all that far removed from Appomattox (1865). At any rate, they're closer to each other than to the present day.

In terms of world historical change over that short period compared to now, you are living a life a lot more like an average 1938 German than an 1865 Southerner.

An important point (to me at least) is that some of us have relationships with people who were DIRECTLY AFFECTED by the Holocaust/WWII. There are people still alive TODAY who were ACTUAL victims of the Holocaust, not descendants of the victims claiming their ancestors suffering as their own. It is actually NOT comparable.

We all agree that American slavery was evil and the ramifications are still felt today, but despite your feelings it did not happen to YOU.

You act as if slavery ended and then it was all normal. Jim Crow, Civil Rights, lynching, etc. The last known lynching in America happened in 1981. 19-80-Flarping ONE. So you may want to back off the "ACTUAL" victim crap.

I highly suggest reading Caste: The Origins of our Discontents. Nazis studiesd the South. They actually discussed how the one drop rule was too much even for them when deciding who qualified as Jewish or not.

The problem is that we fought the Nazis - they were an enemy. Internal to the US, fighting racism against African Americans means fighting our own citizens and even more likely, some of our own family. Germans were expected to shun any Nazi members of their family. Here in the US the racist parents, aunts, uncles, etc. are all given a pass because it was "different" back then.

Furthermore almost every site in Germany that has historical Nazi significance has been kept as a memorial to the victims of the Holocaust. Here in America, rich people party and get married on plantations.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it like this. I believe it's good that people condemn Nazis and condemn people who celebrate Nazis. I don't like that people celebrate antebellum Southerners, and I don't understand how people who hate Nazis can embrace Southerners. For me, the reason the two should be condemned in no uncertain terms is because they engaged in horrific acts against other humans.

I think my disconnect is that people appreciate the evil that was done to Jewish people by Nazis but, somehow, they don't see what was done to black people in the South as being quite as bad. I'm not trying to turn this into a competition. But I can't see how what was done to the slaves was a lesser evil than what was done to the Jews.

So, you get people like OP who just sees the antebellum South as people in pretty clothes. I think that's because he doesn't internalize slavery as being century after unrelenting century of torture, rape, murder, kidnapping, and brutalization from cradle to grave.

+1. Hitler made his regime study what was being done to Black people in the Jim Crow South to better inform them how to deal with Jewish people.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/
https://billmoyers.com/story/hitler-america-nazi-race-law/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
https://time.com/4703586/nazis-america-race-law/

In terms of timelines, Kristallnacht (1938) wasn't really all that far removed from Appomattox (1865). At any rate, they're closer to each other than to the present day.

In terms of world historical change over that short period compared to now, you are living a life a lot more like an average 1938 German than an 1865 Southerner.

An important point (to me at least) is that some of us have relationships with people who were DIRECTLY AFFECTED by the Holocaust/WWII. There are people still alive TODAY who were ACTUAL victims of the Holocaust, not descendants of the victims claiming their ancestors suffering as their own. It is actually NOT comparable.

We all agree that American slavery was evil and the ramifications are still felt today, but despite your feelings it did not happen to YOU.

I know more people affected by American slavery than I know people who were affected by the Holocaust.

How many millions did the Germans kill during WW2? Do you want to compare the numbers with killed slaves?

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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it like this. I believe it's good that people condemn Nazis and condemn people who celebrate Nazis. I don't like that people celebrate antebellum Southerners, and I don't understand how people who hate Nazis can embrace Southerners. For me, the reason the two should be condemned in no uncertain terms is because they engaged in horrific acts against other humans.

I think my disconnect is that people appreciate the evil that was done to Jewish people by Nazis but, somehow, they don't see what was done to black people in the South as being quite as bad. I'm not trying to turn this into a competition. But I can't see how what was done to the slaves was a lesser evil than what was done to the Jews.

So, you get people like OP who just sees the antebellum South as people in pretty clothes. I think that's because he doesn't internalize slavery as being century after unrelenting century of torture, rape, murder, kidnapping, and brutalization from cradle to grave.

+1. Hitler made his regime study what was being done to Black people in the Jim Crow South to better inform them how to deal with Jewish people.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/
https://billmoyers.com/story/hitler-america-nazi-race-law/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
https://time.com/4703586/nazis-america-race-law/

In terms of timelines, Kristallnacht (1938) wasn't really all that far removed from Appomattox (1865). At any rate, they're closer to each other than to the present day.

In terms of world historical change over that short period compared to now, you are living a life a lot more like an average 1938 German than an 1865 Southerner.

An important point (to me at least) is that some of us have relationships with people who were DIRECTLY AFFECTED by the Holocaust/WWII. There are people still alive TODAY who were ACTUAL victims of the Holocaust, not descendants of the victims claiming their ancestors suffering as their own. It is actually NOT comparable.

We all agree that American slavery was evil and the ramifications are still felt today, but despite your feelings it did not happen to YOU.

I know more people affected by American slavery than I know people who were affected by the Holocaust.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it like this. I believe it's good that people condemn Nazis and condemn people who celebrate Nazis. I don't like that people celebrate antebellum Southerners, and I don't understand how people who hate Nazis can embrace Southerners. For me, the reason the two should be condemned in no uncertain terms is because they engaged in horrific acts against other humans.

I think my disconnect is that people appreciate the evil that was done to Jewish people by Nazis but, somehow, they don't see what was done to black people in the South as being quite as bad. I'm not trying to turn this into a competition. But I can't see how what was done to the slaves was a lesser evil than what was done to the Jews.

So, you get people like OP who just sees the antebellum South as people in pretty clothes. I think that's because he doesn't internalize slavery as being century after unrelenting century of torture, rape, murder, kidnapping, and brutalization from cradle to grave.

+1. Hitler made his regime study what was being done to Black people in the Jim Crow South to better inform them how to deal with Jewish people.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/
https://billmoyers.com/story/hitler-america-nazi-race-law/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
https://time.com/4703586/nazis-america-race-law/

In terms of timelines, Kristallnacht (1938) wasn't really all that far removed from Appomattox (1865). At any rate, they're closer to each other than to the present day.

In terms of world historical change over that short period compared to now, you are living a life a lot more like an average 1938 German than an 1865 Southerner.

An important point (to me at least) is that some of us have relationships with people who were DIRECTLY AFFECTED by the Holocaust/WWII. There are people still alive TODAY who were ACTUAL victims of the Holocaust, not descendants of the victims claiming their ancestors suffering as their own. It is actually NOT comparable.

We all agree that American slavery was evil and the ramifications are still felt today, but despite your feelings it did not happen to YOU.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it like this. I believe it's good that people condemn Nazis and condemn people who celebrate Nazis. I don't like that people celebrate antebellum Southerners, and I don't understand how people who hate Nazis can embrace Southerners. For me, the reason the two should be condemned in no uncertain terms is because they engaged in horrific acts against other humans.

I think my disconnect is that people appreciate the evil that was done to Jewish people by Nazis but, somehow, they don't see what was done to black people in the South as being quite as bad. I'm not trying to turn this into a competition. But I can't see how what was done to the slaves was a lesser evil than what was done to the Jews.

So, you get people like OP who just sees the antebellum South as people in pretty clothes. I think that's because he doesn't internalize slavery as being century after unrelenting century of torture, rape, murder, kidnapping, and brutalization from cradle to grave.

+1. Hitler made his regime study what was being done to Black people in the Jim Crow South to better inform them how to deal with Jewish people.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/
https://billmoyers.com/story/hitler-america-nazi-race-law/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
https://time.com/4703586/nazis-america-race-law/

In terms of timelines, Kristallnacht (1938) wasn't really all that far removed from Appomattox (1865). At any rate, they're closer to each other than to the present day.

In terms of world historical change over that short period compared to now, you are living a life a lot more like an average 1938 German than an 1865 Southerner.

An important point (to me at least) is that some of us have relationships with people who were DIRECTLY AFFECTED by the Holocaust/WWII. There are people still alive TODAY who were ACTUAL victims of the Holocaust, not descendants of the victims claiming their ancestors suffering as their own. It is actually NOT comparable.

We all agree that American slavery was evil and the ramifications are still felt today, but despite your feelings it did not happen to YOU.

I know more people affected by American slavery than I know people who were affected by the Holocaust.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it like this. I believe it's good that people condemn Nazis and condemn people who celebrate Nazis. I don't like that people celebrate antebellum Southerners, and I don't understand how people who hate Nazis can embrace Southerners. For me, the reason the two should be condemned in no uncertain terms is because they engaged in horrific acts against other humans.

I think my disconnect is that people appreciate the evil that was done to Jewish people by Nazis but, somehow, they don't see what was done to black people in the South as being quite as bad. I'm not trying to turn this into a competition. But I can't see how what was done to the slaves was a lesser evil than what was done to the Jews.

So, you get people like OP who just sees the antebellum South as people in pretty clothes. I think that's because he doesn't internalize slavery as being century after unrelenting century of torture, rape, murder, kidnapping, and brutalization from cradle to grave.

+1. Hitler made his regime study what was being done to Black people in the Jim Crow South to better inform them how to deal with Jewish people.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/
https://billmoyers.com/story/hitler-america-nazi-race-law/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
https://time.com/4703586/nazis-america-race-law/

In terms of timelines, Kristallnacht (1938) wasn't really all that far removed from Appomattox (1865). At any rate, they're closer to each other than to the present day.

In terms of world historical change over that short period compared to now, you are living a life a lot more like an average 1938 German than an 1865 Southerner.

An important point (to me at least) is that some of us have relationships with people who were DIRECTLY AFFECTED by the Holocaust/WWII. There are people still alive TODAY who were ACTUAL victims of the Holocaust, not descendants of the victims claiming their ancestors suffering as their own. It is actually NOT comparable.

We all agree that American slavery was evil and the ramifications are still felt today, but despite your feelings it did not happen to YOU.