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Anonymous wrote:I work with children who are homeless, are victims of abuse, are in foster care, or are trapped in the middle of family immigration battles. None of those parents selected “in person” learning for their children because they know that things can always get worse. Potentially exposing your family to a viral plague is going to have much more dire consequences for a family without health insurance, a large comfortable home where multiple people can quarantine at once, and who cannot survive without the consistent income of both adults and teenagers. It is insane (and frankly classist and racist) to pretend you are advocating for these people even though we have data indicating they are not on your side.

If you never engage with any of these communities and now you are using them as an argument for opening schools during the pandemic, you are a bad person.

And you should know based on your experience that someone claiming that no children in this country suffer any adversity because they haven’t experienced war or famine is clueless and wrong.

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That PP was shockingly awful. My God.

Anonymous wrote:I work with children who are homeless, are victims of abuse, are in foster care, or are trapped in the middle of family immigration battles. None of those parents selected “in person” learning for their children because they know that things can always get worse. Potentially exposing your family to a viral plague is going to have much more dire consequences for a family without health insurance, a large comfortable home where multiple people can quarantine at once, and who cannot survive without the consistent income of both adults and teenagers. It is insane (and frankly classist and racist) to pretend you are advocating for these people even though we have data indicating they are not on your side.

If you never engage with any of these communities and now you are using them as an argument for opening schools during the pandemic, you are a bad person.

Recap of the conversation: The pro-DL PP above was saying that all kids would be "fine" because other places go through war and famine and those kids are "fine," which is wildly untrue and a horrific thing to say. Other people pointed out that even war-torn communities prioritized education, and only here is education considered so immaterial that it's sidelined like this. Frankly as a family who has seen the generational impact of war up close, PPs statement that kids will be "fine" without education is infuriating. I don't even think we should go back now because of case rates, but this "let them eat cake, they'll be fine with no education for years, because my kids are 'fine'"" attitude is appalling. Education should be prioritized. The long-term impacts of this loss will be disastrous for many kids. So yes, it is infuriating to hear spoiled rich suburban moms talk about how kids will be "fine" with the loss of education because other kids have survived war when they clearly know nothing about either war or the value of education.

Also, if you are pretended you are speaking for all disadvantaged communities, you are a bad person yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:I work with children who are homeless, are victims of abuse, are in foster care, or are trapped in the middle of family immigration battles. None of those parents selected “in person” learning for their children because they know that things can always get worse. Potentially exposing your family to a viral plague is going to have much more dire consequences for a family without health insurance, a large comfortable home where multiple people can quarantine at once, and who cannot survive without the consistent income of both adults and teenagers. It is insane (and frankly classist and racist) to pretend you are advocating for these people even though we have data indicating they are not on your side.

If you never engage with any of these communities and now you are using them as an argument for opening schools during the pandemic, you are a bad person.

+1 I am a teacher in a school with a demographic that reflects *our work. Only a very small percentage (less than 15%) of those parents or guardians have selected concurrent or hybrid. Sending the children to school inperson would be a threat to the living conditions and would also mean that the working adults would not be able to work if someone was exposed and forced to quarantine. From their perspectives it is much better to limit potential exposure and keep the kids at home. I understand the reasoning.

*your work population

Anonymous wrote:I work with children who are homeless, are victims of abuse, are in foster care, or are trapped in the middle of family immigration battles. None of those parents selected “in person” learning for their children because they know that things can always get worse. Potentially exposing your family to a viral plague is going to have much more dire consequences for a family without health insurance, a large comfortable home where multiple people can quarantine at once, and who cannot survive without the consistent income of both adults and teenagers. It is insane (and frankly classist and racist) to pretend you are advocating for these people even though we have data indicating they are not on your side.

If you never engage with any of these communities and now you are using them as an argument for opening schools during the pandemic, you are a bad person.

+1 I am a teacher in a school with a demographic that reflects our work. Only a very small percentage (less than 15%) of those parents or guardians have selected concurrent or hybrid. Sending the children to school inperson would be a threat to the living conditions and would also mean that the working adults would not be able to work if someone was exposed and forced to quarantine. From their perspectives it is much better to limit potential exposure and keep the kids at home. I understand the reasoning.

Anonymous wrote:I work with children who are homeless, are victims of abuse, are in foster care, or are trapped in the middle of family immigration battles. None of those parents selected “in person” learning for their children because they know that things can always get worse. Potentially exposing your family to a viral plague is going to have much more dire consequences for a family without health insurance, a large comfortable home where multiple people can quarantine at once, and who cannot survive without the consistent income of both adults and teenagers. It is insane (and frankly classist and racist) to pretend you are advocating for these people even though we have data indicating they are not on your side.

If you never engage with any of these communities and now you are using them as an argument for opening schools during the pandemic, you are a bad person.

And you should know based on your experience that someone claiming that no children in this country suffer any adversity because they haven’t experienced war or famine is clueless and wrong.

I work with children who are homeless, are victims of abuse, are in foster care, or are trapped in the middle of family immigration battles. None of those parents selected “in person” learning for their children because they know that things can always get worse. Potentially exposing your family to a viral plague is going to have much more dire consequences for a family without health insurance, a large comfortable home where multiple people can quarantine at once, and who cannot survive without the consistent income of both adults and teenagers. It is insane (and frankly classist and racist) to pretend you are advocating for these people even though we have data indicating they are not on your side.

If you never engage with any of these communities and now you are using them as an argument for opening schools during the pandemic, you are a bad person.

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping kids out of school for 2.5 years over a virus with a 99% survival rate is batsh!t crazy and completely unfair and untenable.

Stop being so selfish. 1% mortality rate is still a lot of people abs would be higher if schools were open!

So keep kids out of school for 3 years over this? Get high risk people and adults vaccinated and get kids back in school. Enough of this sh!t. Kids matter too and 3 years of DL will do irreparable harm to millions of them.

No, it won’t. Kids survive famine and war and parents in the US can’t imagine their child having to survive the smallest adversity. It’s embarrassing.

You know what generally stays open during famine and war?

Schools.

It's embarrassing that Yemen has been fighting to keep schools open during civil war and famine, yet US teachers are fighting to keep schools closed for a virus whose transmission can be mitigated with a 10 cent mask and some open windows.

Actually no, often they don't during civil war or pandemics.

My war refugee family reports differently. Keeping schools open is a huge priority, even in civil wars. Only here is education considered immaterial for kids who can't afford private education. (To be clear, this is appalling, but the spoiled wealthy DL supporters on DCUM don't have any experience with actual refugees like my family.)

Get off your high horse, lady. Stop using your “war refugee family” to gain moral authority to criticize, stereotype, and malign Americans parents and children. Enough already.

DP. She’s making an excellent point. DL has shown that Americans can’t deal with adversity and don’t care about education.

Oh, BS. She (and you) is stereotyping all 300 million Americans as spoiled and privileged when, in fact, millions have had to endure more than their fair share of real adversity. There is a lot of adversity that doesn’t fall under her narrow definition of “war and famine.”

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping kids out of school for 2.5 years over a virus with a 99% survival rate is batsh!t crazy and completely unfair and untenable.

Stop being so selfish. 1% mortality rate is still a lot of people abs would be higher if schools were open!

So keep kids out of school for 3 years over this? Get high risk people and adults vaccinated and get kids back in school. Enough of this sh!t. Kids matter too and 3 years of DL will do irreparable harm to millions of them.

No, it won’t. Kids survive famine and war and parents in the US can’t imagine their child having to survive the smallest adversity. It’s embarrassing.

You know what generally stays open during famine and war?

Schools.

It's embarrassing that Yemen has been fighting to keep schools open during civil war and famine, yet US teachers are fighting to keep schools closed for a virus whose transmission can be mitigated with a 10 cent mask and some open windows.

Actually no, often they don't during civil war or pandemics.

My war refugee family reports differently. Keeping schools open is a huge priority, even in civil wars. Only here is education considered immaterial for kids who can't afford private education. (To be clear, this is appalling, but the spoiled wealthy DL supporters on DCUM don't have any experience with actual refugees like my family.)

Get off your high horse, lady. Stop using your “war refugee family” to gain moral authority to criticize, stereotype, and malign Americans parents and children. Enough already.

DP. She’s making an excellent point. DL has shown that Americans can’t deal with adversity and don’t care about education.

My son's school was full time from August until the beginning of November. A teacher got sick and tested positive so they all quarantined for 2 weeks. No one else got it.

But state cases spiked, so they are staying closed until Jan. 19. Hopefully we will go back in person then.

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping kids out of school for 2.5 years over a virus with a 99% survival rate is batsh!t crazy and completely unfair and untenable.

Stop being so selfish. 1% mortality rate is still a lot of people abs would be higher if schools were open!

So keep kids out of school for 3 years over this? Get high risk people and adults vaccinated and get kids back in school. Enough of this sh!t. Kids matter too and 3 years of DL will do irreparable harm to millions of them.

No, it won’t. Kids survive famine and war and parents in the US can’t imagine their child having to survive the smallest adversity. It’s embarrassing.

You know what generally stays open during famine and war?

Schools.

It's embarrassing that Yemen has been fighting to keep schools open during civil war and famine, yet US teachers are fighting to keep schools closed for a virus whose transmission can be mitigated with a 10 cent mask and some open windows.

Actually no, often they don't during civil war or pandemics.

My war refugee family reports differently. Keeping schools open is a huge priority, even in civil wars. Only here is education considered immaterial for kids who can't afford private education. (To be clear, this is appalling, but the spoiled wealthy DL supporters on DCUM don't have any experience with actual refugees like my family.)

Get off your high horse, lady. Stop using your “war refugee family” to gain moral authority to criticize, stereotype, and malign Americans parents and children. Enough already.

I hope people don't NOT vaccinate their children and themselves & then shit all over people.

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping kids out of school for 2.5 years over a virus with a 99% survival rate is batsh!t crazy and completely unfair and untenable.

Stop being so selfish. 1% mortality rate is still a lot of people abs would be higher if schools were open!

So keep kids out of school for 3 years over this? Get high risk people and adults vaccinated and get kids back in school. Enough of this sh!t. Kids matter too and 3 years of DL will do irreparable harm to millions of them.

No, it won’t. Kids survive famine and war and parents in the US can’t imagine their child having to survive the smallest adversity. It’s embarrassing.

x1000 Well said, PP.

So I guess you too are cool with kids enduring increased poverty, homelessness, abuse, and decreased access to regular meal and the support network a school provides while distance learning drones on for two more years? Hey, as long as it isn’t “war or famine,” they should be able to survive these “smallest adversities,” right? Pure cluelessness, idiocy, and wrongly stereotyping all American kids as rich and privileged.

Those kids are enduring those things regardless of covid so stop picking on them to preach your morality when for all these years you have been part of the problem, not solution. If anything there are more supports now in terms of housing and food than ever before. There are so many meal hand outs that no child should be going hungry. And, schools don't change the home life.

Sure, sure. It is just awesome for those kids now. Clueless.

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Clueless, spoiled, and entitled.

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping kids out of school for 2.5 years over a virus with a 99% survival rate is batsh!t crazy and completely unfair and untenable.

Stop being so selfish. 1% mortality rate is still a lot of people abs would be higher if schools were open!

So keep kids out of school for 3 years over this? Get high risk people and adults vaccinated and get kids back in school. Enough of this sh!t. Kids matter too and 3 years of DL will do irreparable harm to millions of them.

No, it won’t. Kids survive famine and war and parents in the US can’t imagine their child having to survive the smallest adversity. It’s embarrassing.

You know what generally stays open during famine and war?

Schools.

It's embarrassing that Yemen has been fighting to keep schools open during civil war and famine, yet US teachers are fighting to keep schools closed for a virus whose transmission can be mitigated with a 10 cent mask and some open windows.

Actually no, often they don't during civil war or pandemics.

My war refugee family reports differently. Keeping schools open is a huge priority, even in civil wars. Only here is education considered immaterial for kids who can't afford private education. (To be clear, this is appalling, but the spoiled wealthy DL supporters on DCUM don't have any experience with actual refugees like my family.)

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping kids out of school for 2.5 years over a virus with a 99% survival rate is batsh!t crazy and completely unfair and untenable.

Stop being so selfish. 1% mortality rate is still a lot of people abs would be higher if schools were open!

So keep kids out of school for 3 years over this? Get high risk people and adults vaccinated and get kids back in school. Enough of this sh!t. Kids matter too and 3 years of DL will do irreparable harm to millions of them.

No, it won’t. Kids survive famine and war and parents in the US can’t imagine their child having to survive the smallest adversity. It’s embarrassing.

x1000 Well said, PP.

So I guess you too are cool with kids enduring increased poverty, homelessness, abuse, and decreased access to regular meal and the support network a school provides while distance learning drones on for two more years? Hey, as long as it isn’t “war or famine,” they should be able to survive these “smallest adversities,” right? Pure cluelessness, idiocy, and wrongly stereotyping all American kids as rich and privileged.

Those kids are enduring those things regardless of covid so stop picking on them to preach your morality when for all these years you have been part of the problem, not solution. If anything there are more supports now in terms of housing and food than ever before. There are so many meal hand outs that no child should be going hungry. And, schools don't change the home life.

Sure, sure. It is just awesome for those kids now. Clueless.

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping kids out of school for 2.5 years over a virus with a 99% survival rate is batsh!t crazy and completely unfair and untenable.

Stop being so selfish. 1% mortality rate is still a lot of people abs would be higher if schools were open!

So keep kids out of school for 3 years over this? Get high risk people and adults vaccinated and get kids back in school. Enough of this sh!t. Kids matter too and 3 years of DL will do irreparable harm to millions of them.

No, it won’t. Kids survive famine and war and parents in the US can’t imagine their child having to survive the smallest adversity. It’s embarrassing.

You know what generally stays open during famine and war?

Schools.

It's embarrassing that Yemen has been fighting to keep schools open during civil war and famine, yet US teachers are fighting to keep schools closed for a virus whose transmission can be mitigated with a 10 cent mask and some open windows.

Actually no, often they don't during civil war or pandemics.

Read up on history again. There's no precedent for blanket closing schools for a year+ in countries with functioning governments, regardless of whether you're looking at wars, pandemics, famines, or natural disasters.

They're not closed. Welcome to the 21st Century. And quite frankly - school actions during this pandemic will be cited for future cases and needs in the oncoming decades. Tele-school is here to stay.

+1, no schools are closed. They have changed how they teach and you no longer get child care. Schools at best are about 100-140 years old. And, many have closed and right now those open will continue to open/close with positives which will be much more disruptive than the stability we have now.

Ahh, the "child care" poster.

Let's say that's part of it. Do you really think there would be public support for public schools if working families couldn't use them?