Anonymous
06/03/2020 23:25
Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Help me understand why they feel that they need to vandalize, burn buildings, break into stores to get the point across?
Go watch the Umbrella Man video. Google it. It should be easy to find. Then we'll -- maybe -- have a context for some discussion.
I'll give you a hint: It's not the BLM protesters who are doing the vandalizing. There are more videos I could point you to -- including a few with actual police brutality. But let's start small.
NP
Who said it was the BLM protestors? It was looters, and most of them were black. Were there a few weird instigators? Yep! Police brutality? Interesting that you missed the videos of all the police officers getting assaulted by....guess who?
It depended on the location. In some areas, most, in some areas it was a mix of races. People were using their hate and anger as a justification and the BLM as an excuse.
Newsflash: It doesn’t matter. Really. You can argue all day long about who started it or who was assaulted more. But you’d be missing the point completely.
Got it... all lives don't matter. Only the ones you think are valuable.
Anonymous
06/03/2020 23:22
Subject: Re:The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I work for a fairly large organization. Approximately 90% of our division staff are POC, predominately AA but also Latino/a, Hispanic, and some Pac Rim Asian.
This afternoon we were on a Zoom conference call with approximately 200 people from our division. There were no slides, just the boxes with faces. You know how it works, the primary is top left, your own box is right next to it and then there are another 18 or so people in some random order. For the time period I'm talking about, everyone on the main page is a POC except for me.
We are about 5 minutes into the meeting and the boss is talking about "recent events." As he was talking he said "...Black Lives Matter..." 18 people leaned forward to unmute and said, "all lives matter" and then they re-muted. If they had practiced it they could not have been in more perfect unison.
Make of it what you will.
My impression is that people don't think that a lot of what is happening is a good reflection of them, how far they've come, the successes they've achieved, and their dreams for themselves and their children. They are outraged by the criminal behavior. And they are embarrassed, completely mortified, by language and behavior of some of the people who have been giving interviews on tv.
As an adult who was raised in a mixed race home and who, with my husband, has created a mixed race family, I am torn. But I tend more towards All Lives Matter because I don't like the exclusion and I think there is room for everyone under the umbrella.
funny because I was at the protests today, were white, latino, and Asian lay in the street face down because a young black sista told them to honor George Floyd and experience what it was like to have your face pressed up against the sidewalk! after 8 minutes she asked them how it felt and said "good" when they of course said it felt terrible or bad (it was hot y'all) she went on to expain the purpose of it all, they gave her a standing ovation! At the Lincoln Memorial white men, women and a child stood in solidarity with a young black man for hours on the steps! So you knkow what, I think most people get it and today was the first day I had hope seeing everyone having no problem should loud and "black lives matter" lying face down on the streets and taking a knee!
And another thing, all the protestors I saw when individually interacting with the National Guard were respectful! There was respect both ways and at the Lincoln Memorial same the police and other military, they stood there with their guns because they had a job to do, and to the right folks peacefully protested. If you just watch the news you get a skewed perspective of whats gong on because you get these tight focused shots, it is nothing like that out on the streets! If you have an humanity you will be moved to tears at what you see, Peace, love, & respect for all #BLM
Anonymous
06/03/2020 23:18
Subject: Re:The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all
Anonymous wrote:I work for a fairly large organization. Approximately 90% of our division staff are POC, predominately AA but also Latino/a, Hispanic, and some Pac Rim Asian.
This afternoon we were on a Zoom conference call with approximately 200 people from our division. There were no slides, just the boxes with faces. You know how it works, the primary is top left, your own box is right next to it and then there are another 18 or so people in some random order. For the time period I'm talking about, everyone on the main page is a POC except for me.
We are about 5 minutes into the meeting and the boss is talking about "recent events." As he was talking he said "...Black Lives Matter..." 18 people leaned forward to unmute and said, "all lives matter" and then they re-muted. If they had practiced it they could not have been in more perfect unison.
Make of it what you will.
My impression is that people don't think that a lot of what is happening is a good reflection of them, how far they've come, the successes they've achieved, and their dreams for themselves and their children. They are outraged by the criminal behavior. And they are embarrassed, completely mortified, by language and behavior of some of the people who have been giving interviews on tv.
As an adult who was raised in a mixed race home and who, with my husband, has created a mixed race family, I am torn. But I tend more towards All Lives Matter because I don't like the exclusion and I think there is room for everyone under the umbrella.
funny because I was at the protests today, were white, latino, and Asian lay in the street face down because a young black sista told them to honor George Floyd and experience what it was like to have your face pressed up against the sidewalk! after 8 minutes she asked them how it felt and said "good" when they of course said it felt terrible or bad (it was hot y'all) she went on to expain the purpose of it all, they gave her a standing ovation! At the Lincoln Memorial white men, women and a child stood in solidarity with a young black man for hours on the steps! So you knkow what, I think most people get it and today was the first day I had hope seeing everyone having no problem should loud and "black lives matter" lying face down on the streets and taking a knee!
Anonymous
06/03/2020 23:18
Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Help me understand why they feel that they need to vandalize, burn buildings, break into stores to get the point across?
Go watch the Umbrella Man video. Google it. It should be easy to find. Then we'll -- maybe -- have a context for some discussion.
I'll give you a hint: It's not the BLM protesters who are doing the vandalizing. There are more videos I could point you to -- including a few with actual police brutality. But let's start small.
NP
Who said it was the BLM protestors? It was looters, and most of them were black. Were there a few weird instigators? Yep! Police brutality? Interesting that you missed the videos of all the police officers getting assaulted by....guess who?
It depended on the location. In some areas, most, in some areas it was a mix of races. People were using their hate and anger as a justification and the BLM as an excuse.
Newsflash: It doesn’t matter. Really. You can argue all day long about who started it or who was assaulted more. But you’d be missing the point completely.
Anonymous
06/03/2020 23:16
Subject: Re:The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all
Anonymous wrote:I've read through 20 pages, and I have a suggestion. If all of the people who would support "All Lives Matter" get together and successfully address police brutality for "all lives" -- then black people will no longer have an issue with police brutality and BLM can disband because there will be no more work to do. Win-Win.
+1
There’s just so much ignorance in the world. Can we please stop with any example that suggests racism is a singular, individualized act? It is an incredibly deep-seeded, socialized, and pervasive element of our society that will never be “fixed” as long as *any* race claims to be color blind, but especially white people as part of the dominant racial group in America. This is bigger than any one person’s experience as an individual (or the tone deaf and entirely unproductive “examples” of white people getting shot by cops).
Anonymous
06/03/2020 23:15
Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Help me understand why they feel that they need to vandalize, burn buildings, break into stores to get the point across?
Go watch the Umbrella Man video. Google it. It should be easy to find. Then we'll -- maybe -- have a context for some discussion.
I'll give you a hint: It's not the BLM protesters who are doing the vandalizing. There are more videos I could point you to -- including a few with actual police brutality. But let's start small.
NP
Who said it was the BLM protestors? It was looters, and most of them were black. Were there a few weird instigators? Yep! Police brutality? Interesting that you missed the videos of all the police officers getting assaulted by....guess who?
It depended on the location. In some areas, most, in some areas it was a mix of races. People were using their hate and anger as a justification and the BLM as an excuse.
Anonymous
06/03/2020 23:13
Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Help me understand why they feel that they need to vandalize, burn buildings, break into stores to get the point across?
Go watch the Umbrella Man video. Google it. It should be easy to find. Then we'll -- maybe -- have a context for some discussion.
I'll give you a hint: It's not the BLM protesters who are doing the vandalizing. There are more videos I could point you to -- including a few with actual police brutality. But let's start small.
NP
Who said it was the BLM protestors? It was looters, and most of them were black. Were there a few weird instigators? Yep! Police brutality? Interesting that you missed the videos of all the police officers getting assaulted by....guess who?
Anonymous
06/03/2020 23:08
Subject: Re:The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all
I've read through 20 pages, and I have a suggestion. If all of the people who would support "All Lives Matter" get together and successfully address police brutality for "all lives" -- then black people will no longer have an issue with police brutality and BLM can disband because there will be no more work to do. Win-Win.
Anonymous
06/03/2020 23:03
Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All races can have racist individuals and for anyone who says otherwise is part of the problem, not solution. I worked for a year in the DC government. I was the only white person there and it was made clear to me they hired me to be their diversity, never gave me any real work to do, were completely inappropriate with their insistence I do things like put up their christmas tree in the office (which I did but they complained I did it wrong - I thought I did great given it was my first Christmas tree and I don't celebrate Christmas), wouldn't give me access or any supplies (fine, I brought my own including a computer) and made all kinds of racial and other comments. My only saving grace was I had some great co-workers who tried their best to shield me from much of it. They won and I quit but I just stayed to get the work experience on my resume even though I did secretarial and cleaning most of the time for them vs. my actual skill set.
I went to work for a county. White supervisor told me she was told not to hire me or any white people as they were looking for specific race but I was the only one qualified so they hired me. It was made clear I'd never be promoted and that my race was an issue. Not sure if it was good or bad she told me but it was clear what was going on in the agency.
These things should not happen to anyone of any race but they do. Its life. You either deal with it or leave.
Has absolutely nothing to do with the immutability of the name of this movement but thanks for the two cents.
It's Black Lives Matter and it's not changing.
That's fine but then the cause is for Black people, not all so stop putting out calls for White people to fix the problem when its not our cause. Our cause would be police brutality for all races. All races are impacted it but no other races who have faced police brutality are important and they probably deserved it according to many.[/quote
You sound like you're speaking for all white people. Your "cause WOULD be police brutality for all races." You do get that had this been the cause and had your efforts to impact "police brutality for ALL races" been effective -- there would be no need for BLM, right? Sounds like you have some work to do.
Anonymous
06/03/2020 23:00
Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The name comes across as "only black lives matter" and I know that is not the intention.
It doesn’t come across that way unless you are ignorant of why the movement was formed. How often are the cops killing unarmed white menor Asian women and getting away with it?
You should do some research. You might be surprised. I know the mainstream media makes it seem like ONLY blacks people are killed by the police, but that is certainly not the case.
Okay, educate us please. What are the names of a few white men murdered by the police? For simplicity, let’s limit it to 2020. Anyone?
It took me very little time to find an unarmed white man named Tyler Hays who was shot and killed during a traffic stop in Tennessee on May 19. It didn’t even make national news, however.
Look, I am not arguing that black oriole don’t get killed by police at a higher rate as a percentage of the population. That’s a fact. But for you to mock this and minimize that ALL races are at some point affected by police brutality doesn’t enamor others to your cause.
Police brutality is an issue, ok? But white people don't generally feel they as a group are in particular danger when a white person is assaulted or killed by cops without justification. Second, they are less likely to start with the assumption that the person must have been doing something to justify the shooting.
White people know that almost all police shootings are justified, so they tend to have a different view. They also know that the vast majority of these shooting involve someone committing a serious felony or someone who repeatedly disobeys lawful commands by a police officer. [/quote
"White people know" these things? All white people? Damn! I seriously need to get on that mailing list! /s/
Anonymous
06/03/2020 22:48
Subject: Re:The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Blue Lives Matter too. There are incidents of police being assaulted by non-police.
How many assaults does it take to get a movement?
When police stop playing judge, jury, and executioner.
I can't wait to see who you call in the event of an emergency.
A few bad police don't make them all bad. There are molester teachers out there in some schools, do we not support all teachers now?
NP: You probably can't understand what it's like to call the police in an emergency -- and pray that that people that you've called don't kill you.
Anonymous
06/03/2020 22:46
Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all
Anonymous wrote:Help me understand why they feel that they need to vandalize, burn buildings, break into stores to get the point across?
Go watch the Umbrella Man video. Google it. It should be easy to find. Then we'll -- maybe -- have a context for some discussion.
I'll give you a hint: It's not the BLM protesters who are doing the vandalizing. There are more videos I could point you to -- including a few with actual police brutality. But let's start small.
Anonymous
06/03/2020 22:38
Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All races can have racist individuals and for anyone who says otherwise is part of the problem, not solution. I worked for a year in the DC government. I was the only white person there and it was made clear to me they hired me to be their diversity, never gave me any real work to do, were completely inappropriate with their insistence I do things like put up their christmas tree in the office (which I did but they complained I did it wrong - I thought I did great given it was my first Christmas tree and I don't celebrate Christmas), wouldn't give me access or any supplies (fine, I brought my own including a computer) and made all kinds of racial and other comments. My only saving grace was I had some great co-workers who tried their best to shield me from much of it. They won and I quit but I just stayed to get the work experience on my resume even though I did secretarial and cleaning most of the time for them vs. my actual skill set.
I went to work for a county. White supervisor told me she was told not to hire me or any white people as they were looking for specific race but I was the only one qualified so they hired me. It was made clear I'd never be promoted and that my race was an issue. Not sure if it was good or bad she told me but it was clear what was going on in the agency.
These things should not happen to anyone of any race but they do. Its life. You either deal with it or leave.
Okay, sure you had one bad experience. But, you can jog without getting shot. You can get pulled over for speeding without getting shot. You can shop in any store without makeup and get a hello (unlike a billionaire like Oprah). Your family hasn't been subject to systemic racism for generations.
Actually two, and yes, I can get shot for speeding. Look at the statistics of police killings. And, no I don't always get a help or help at stores, especially depending on how I dress. And, my family is jewish so yes, we do know a bit about it but my grandparents were too worried about surviving the holocaust, but let me guess, you don't believe that happened or it wasn't important.
Still doesn't warrant a name change.
Black Lives Matter
All Lives Matter - even Blue Lives.
Did someone say they didn’t? You care about all lives so much? Go foster some kids. Go build a homeless shelter. Go start your own movement and protest that all lives matter. Make sure you stay on top of the police brutality and murders of civilians. Make sure you organize a rally each time. Then make sure you go to the police station to ask them how they fill about the murders. You won’t have any time to spend on DCUM.
I did adopt, including one with special needs. I have spent many hours volunteering. I work in a helping profession. I am active at school and the PTA. What have you done?
Anonymous
06/03/2020 22:37
Subject: The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all
DP. Um, I -am- a foster mother who volunteers at a shelter and who works at an inner city school. I actually spend a lot of time on DCUM (!!!). I think your spite and intolerance are blinding you. And I agree with the ^^PP, not you.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All races can have racist individuals and for anyone who says otherwise is part of the problem, not solution. I worked for a year in the DC government. I was the only white person there and it was made clear to me they hired me to be their diversity, never gave me any real work to do, were completely inappropriate with their insistence I do things like put up their christmas tree in the office (which I did but they complained I did it wrong - I thought I did great given it was my first Christmas tree and I don't celebrate Christmas), wouldn't give me access or any supplies (fine, I brought my own including a computer) and made all kinds of racial and other comments. My only saving grace was I had some great co-workers who tried their best to shield me from much of it. They won and I quit but I just stayed to get the work experience on my resume even though I did secretarial and cleaning most of the time for them vs. my actual skill set.
I went to work for a county. White supervisor told me she was told not to hire me or any white people as they were looking for specific race but I was the only one qualified so they hired me. It was made clear I'd never be promoted and that my race was an issue. Not sure if it was good or bad she told me but it was clear what was going on in the agency.
These things should not happen to anyone of any race but they do. Its life. You either deal with it or leave.
Okay, sure you had one bad experience. But, you can jog without getting shot. You can get pulled over for speeding without getting shot. You can shop in any store without makeup and get a hello (unlike a billionaire like Oprah). Your family hasn't been subject to systemic racism for generations.
Actually two, and yes, I can get shot for speeding. Look at the statistics of police killings. And, no I don't always get a help or help at stores, especially depending on how I dress. And, my family is jewish so yes, we do know a bit about it but my grandparents were too worried about surviving the holocaust, but let me guess, you don't believe that happened or it wasn't important.
Still doesn't warrant a name change.
Black Lives Matter
All Lives Matter - even Blue Lives.
Did someone say they didn’t? You care about all lives so much? Go foster some kids. Go build a homeless shelter. Go start your own movement and protest that all lives matter. Make sure you stay on top of the police brutality and murders of civilians. Make sure you organize a rally each time. Then make sure you go to the police station to ask them how they fill about the murders. You won’t have any time to spend on DCUM.
Anonymous
06/03/2020 22:33
Subject: Re:The BLM movement needs to new name to be accepted by all
I work for a fairly large organization. Approximately 90% of our division staff are POC, predominately AA but also Latino/a, Hispanic, and some Pac Rim Asian.
This afternoon we were on a Zoom conference call with approximately 200 people from our division. There were no slides, just the boxes with faces. You know how it works, the primary is top left, your own box is right next to it and then there are another 18 or so people in some random order. For the time period I'm talking about, everyone on the main page is a POC except for me.
We are about 5 minutes into the meeting and the boss is talking about "recent events." As he was talking he said "...Black Lives Matter..." 18 people leaned forward to unmute and said, "all lives matter" and then they re-muted. If they had practiced it they could not have been in more perfect unison.
Make of it what you will.
My impression is that people don't think that a lot of what is happening is a good reflection of them, how far they've come, the successes they've achieved, and their dreams for themselves and their children. They are outraged by the criminal behavior. And they are embarrassed, completely mortified, by language and behavior of some of the people who have been giving interviews on tv.
As an adult who was raised in a mixed race home and who, with my husband, has created a mixed race family, I am torn. But I tend more towards All Lives Matter because I don't like the exclusion and I think there is room for everyone under the umbrella.
This afternoon we were on a Zoom conference call with approximately 200 people from our division. There were no slides, just the boxes with faces. You know how it works, the primary is top left, your own box is right next to it and then there are another 18 or so people in some random order. For the time period I'm talking about, everyone on the main page is a POC except for me.
We are about 5 minutes into the meeting and the boss is talking about "recent events." As he was talking he said "...Black Lives Matter..." 18 people leaned forward to unmute and said, "all lives matter" and then they re-muted. If they had practiced it they could not have been in more perfect unison.
Make of it what you will.
My impression is that people don't think that a lot of what is happening is a good reflection of them, how far they've come, the successes they've achieved, and their dreams for themselves and their children. They are outraged by the criminal behavior. And they are embarrassed, completely mortified, by language and behavior of some of the people who have been giving interviews on tv.
As an adult who was raised in a mixed race home and who, with my husband, has created a mixed race family, I am torn. But I tend more towards All Lives Matter because I don't like the exclusion and I think there is room for everyone under the umbrella.