Anonymous wrote:Yes please, let's hear the policy rationale for transporting asylum seekers halfway across the country and dropping them off on a random street corner in San Francisco.

What difference does it make when these same asylum seekers are going to wind up there anyway after having been released into the country? This is simply a faster, more efficient way of bringing them in. I bet if you were to ask these asylum seekers what they would prefer, they would hands-down choose to be bused to sanctuary cities, rather than making their own way there.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes please, let's hear the policy rationale for transporting asylum seekers halfway across the country and dropping them off on a random street corner in San Francisco.

We already transport them from the centers. Some are in California, some are in Texas/New Mexico. They are then moved all over the country. Why not put them in towns/cities where voters want them?

Dropping them off on a random street corner in the middle of the night was what was proposed

On a sanctuary. Perfect.

Good to know. At least y'all have finally admitted that you don't care about illegal immigration or any of the other claptrap that comes out yall's mouth. All that matters to you is hate and "sticking it to the libs".

Exactly.

Anonymous wrote:This thread is an excellent example of what idiots Trump-supporters are. They don't understand what sanctuary cities are. They don't get that using human beings as pawns in political games is wrong. They spew fallacies about what "Democrats want" on immigration based on right-wing propaganda.

Pathetic and deplorable.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:The irony of course is that all these people are headed straight to the very same sanctuary city communities anyway to live 20 in a house in your neighborhoods. Good luck when they show up to your schools.

You really are POed your kids have to go to school with these nasty, dirty, ignorant, leechorous people aren't you? Scourge of the earth bringing you down.

DP. Actually, *you* seem to feel that way. After all, now you're saying what a horrible idea it is to bring them into the country. Which is it, hypocrite?

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Anonymous wrote:Can ANYONE address what is wrong with the actual act of taking illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities, rather than reacting on their emotional reaction to it or Trump's motivation for it? Focus on actions and solutions instead of your feelings. Democrats, speak up about why it would be bad to do this as a matter of fact, without talking about emotion.

Good Lord. I read this entire thread and it's unreal.

Really? I don't think we need a discussion of why busing people across the country and dropping them off on a random street corner is a stupid policy idea. There's noone on any side of the political debate that can defend it on policy grounds. It is as pure an example as one can find of a solely political proposal. The only way to defend the proposal is "haha, snowflakes sucks. death to the libs!"

DP. This such an idiotic post. As it is, asylum-seeking immigrants are being release into the U.S. with a date to return to the border for their asylum hearings because there is no more room to hold them. Do you actually think they're planning on returning?? NO. They are now living in the country for good. How is that somehow better than deliberately bringing them to a city which is (supposedly) well-equipped to give them shelter and care?

You can whine all day (and you will) about how this is somehow a "retaliatory" measure, but when it comes down to it, it makes sense. Maybe you shouldn't have touted the "benefits" of sanctuary cities?? Too late to walk that nonsense back. This is no one's fault but your own.

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Anonymous wrote:You can't have a policy discussion around a proposal that is fundamentally unserious and treasonous (or do you have another word for parts of the.Executive branch intentionally choosing to go against the judicial and legislative branches). Stop the dumb ass both sides games. I will not hold the Democrats to a higher standard than the Republicans. Trump had full power for two years and couldn't get his own head out of his ass. There's been a bipartisan compromise plan with majority support languishing in Congress ready to go for years. Trump does not care and does not want to solve the problem. He simply wants to be an asshole.

Yep but he’s our asshole.

He’s not my asshole.

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that until last year, the issue was being managed, but the Trump policy both at the border and with foreign aid are exacerbating the issue. He is doing this purposefully to get the "right" all fired up and make it a core issue in 2020. It ddn't need to be, but he wants it to be, and folks here and across the country who consume Fox news are eating up. It is a really sad commentary on whatever is left of critical thinking.

On the contrary, critical thinking seems to be in short supply on the left. All we hear for years is how "racist" and "cruel" it is not to welcome illegal immigrants into the country. All of a sudden, when Trump proposes bringing them by the busload to cities which (supposedly) are happy to have them, it's "horrible punishment!!" Make up your minds. America sees right through you hypocrites.

Anonymous wrote:Bet there are a ton of farms that need workers that would love to have them. Also the trucking industry is really short of drivers. Colorodo has a worker shortage.

Lots of ideas for places to send them.

I wonder how many R businessmen are calling us their Senator trying to get a few busliads.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like Stephen Miller was looking out for their well-being.

““It was basically an idea that Miller wanted that nobody else wanted to carry out,” said one congressional investigator who has spoken to one of the whistleblowers. “What happened here is that Stephen Miller called people at ICE, said if they’re going to cut funding, you’ve got to make sure you’re releasing people in Pelosi’s district and other congressional districts.” The investigator spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect the whistleblower.”

“It was during that mid-February standoff that one whistleblower went to Congress alleging that the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats if they did not relent on ICE funding for beds. A second official independently came forward after that.

According to both, there were at least two versions of the plan being considered. One was to move migrants who were already in ICE detention to the districts of Democratic opponents. The second option was to bus migrants apprehended at the border to sanctuary cities, such as New York, Chicago and San Francisco.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/white-house-proposed-releasing-immigrant-detainees-in-sanctuary-cities-targeting-political-foes/2019/04/11/72839bc8-5c68-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html

These plans were not meant to help immigrants...they were meant to PUNISH US citizens.

You all keep using words like "punish." Its not a punishment if you want them to come. He knows you want them to come. The cities/state's own laws have declared that these people are a delight. Your assertion that this is a punishment is off when they've stated explicitly that these people are a joy.

Trump & Miller's intentions were to punish. You don't have a problem with that?

DP. Please explain to us how this arrangement could possibly be considered punishment if you're so welcoming of immigrants in the first place? You should be giddy with excitement, right? I mean, what's the downside?

Ask them since it was their intentions.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like Stephen Miller was looking out for their well-being.

““It was basically an idea that Miller wanted that nobody else wanted to carry out,” said one congressional investigator who has spoken to one of the whistleblowers. “What happened here is that Stephen Miller called people at ICE, said if they’re going to cut funding, you’ve got to make sure you’re releasing people in Pelosi’s district and other congressional districts.” The investigator spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect the whistleblower.”

“It was during that mid-February standoff that one whistleblower went to Congress alleging that the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats if they did not relent on ICE funding for beds. A second official independently came forward after that.

According to both, there were at least two versions of the plan being considered. One was to move migrants who were already in ICE detention to the districts of Democratic opponents. The second option was to bus migrants apprehended at the border to sanctuary cities, such as New York, Chicago and San Francisco.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/white-house-proposed-releasing-immigrant-detainees-in-sanctuary-cities-targeting-political-foes/2019/04/11/72839bc8-5c68-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html

These plans were not meant to help immigrants...they were meant to PUNISH US citizens.

You all keep using words like "punish." Its not a punishment if you want them to come. He knows you want them to come. The cities/state's own laws have declared that these people are a delight. Your assertion that this is a punishment is off when they've stated explicitly that these people are a joy.

Precisely. Funny that only now, when there's a real chance these immigrants could be living en masse in these cities, do liberals think it would be "punishment". So many examples of liberal hypocrisy, and this is one of the best. Nice work, liberals!

Hey morons. TRUMP THINKS IT IS A PUNISHMENT. That is the issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like Stephen Miller was looking out for their well-being.

““It was basically an idea that Miller wanted that nobody else wanted to carry out,” said one congressional investigator who has spoken to one of the whistleblowers. “What happened here is that Stephen Miller called people at ICE, said if they’re going to cut funding, you’ve got to make sure you’re releasing people in Pelosi’s district and other congressional districts.” The investigator spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect the whistleblower.”

“It was during that mid-February standoff that one whistleblower went to Congress alleging that the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats if they did not relent on ICE funding for beds. A second official independently came forward after that.

According to both, there were at least two versions of the plan being considered. One was to move migrants who were already in ICE detention to the districts of Democratic opponents. The second option was to bus migrants apprehended at the border to sanctuary cities, such as New York, Chicago and San Francisco.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/white-house-proposed-releasing-immigrant-detainees-in-sanctuary-cities-targeting-political-foes/2019/04/11/72839bc8-5c68-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html

These plans were not meant to help immigrants...they were meant to PUNISH US citizens.

You all keep using words like "punish." Its not a punishment if you want them to come. He knows you want them to come. The cities/state's own laws have declared that these people are a delight. Your assertion that this is a punishment is off when they've stated explicitly that these people are a joy.

Trump & Miller's intentions were to punish. You don't have a problem with that?

DP. Please explain to us how this arrangement could possibly be considered punishment if you're so welcoming of immigrants in the first place? You should be giddy with excitement, right? I mean, what's the downside?

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Anonymous wrote:And CIS is listed as a hate group.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/center-immigration-studies

Great source, MAGA.

Wait - you mean you're still taking the SPLC seriously?! Oh, the irony!
https://www.newyorkercom/news/news-desk/the-reckoning-of-morris-dees-and-the-southern-poverty-law-center

You think CIS is an unbiased source?

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like Stephen Miller was looking out for their well-being.

““It was basically an idea that Miller wanted that nobody else wanted to carry out,” said one congressional investigator who has spoken to one of the whistleblowers. “What happened here is that Stephen Miller called people at ICE, said if they’re going to cut funding, you’ve got to make sure you’re releasing people in Pelosi’s district and other congressional districts.” The investigator spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect the whistleblower.”

“It was during that mid-February standoff that one whistleblower went to Congress alleging that the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats if they did not relent on ICE funding for beds. A second official independently came forward after that.

According to both, there were at least two versions of the plan being considered. One was to move migrants who were already in ICE detention to the districts of Democratic opponents. The second option was to bus migrants apprehended at the border to sanctuary cities, such as New York, Chicago and San Francisco.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/white-house-proposed-releasing-immigrant-detainees-in-sanctuary-cities-targeting-political-foes/2019/04/11/72839bc8-5c68-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html

These plans were not meant to help immigrants...they were meant to PUNISH US citizens.

You all keep using words like "punish." Its not a punishment if you want them to come. He knows you want them to come. The cities/state's own laws have declared that these people are a delight. Your assertion that this is a punishment is off when they've stated explicitly that these people are a joy.

Precisely. Funny that only now, when there's a real chance these immigrants could be living en masse in these cities, do liberals think it would be "punishment". So many examples of liberal hypocrisy, and this is one of the best. Nice work, liberals!

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like Stephen Miller was looking out for their well-being.

““It was basically an idea that Miller wanted that nobody else wanted to carry out,” said one congressional investigator who has spoken to one of the whistleblowers. “What happened here is that Stephen Miller called people at ICE, said if they’re going to cut funding, you’ve got to make sure you’re releasing people in Pelosi’s district and other congressional districts.” The investigator spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect the whistleblower.”

“It was during that mid-February standoff that one whistleblower went to Congress alleging that the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats if they did not relent on ICE funding for beds. A second official independently came forward after that.

According to both, there were at least two versions of the plan being considered. One was to move migrants who were already in ICE detention to the districts of Democratic opponents. The second option was to bus migrants apprehended at the border to sanctuary cities, such as New York, Chicago and San Francisco.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/white-house-proposed-releasing-immigrant-detainees-in-sanctuary-cities-targeting-political-foes/2019/04/11/72839bc8-5c68-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html

These plans were not meant to help immigrants...they were meant to PUNISH US citizens.

How? Liberals are constantly braying that immigrants, both illegal and legal, are a fine addition to this country, remember? So how would bringing these illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities - where presumably, they are welcome - be a punishment of any kind? You make no sense. But one thing is clear; you actually *don't* think these immigrants are a welcome addition, even though that runs completely contrary to everything you've been saying. Which makes you... a huge hypocrite.

I’ve already posted that I might be fine with it. Would need to hear more details but the premise is fine with me

And TRUMP thinks it’s a punishment. Did you even read the fracking article?

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Anonymous wrote:Can ANYONE address what is wrong with the actual act of taking illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities, rather than reacting on their emotional reaction to it or Trump's motivation for it? Focus on actions and solutions instead of your feelings. Democrats, speak up about why it would be bad to do this as a matter of fact, without talking about emotion.

Good Lord. I read this entire thread and it's unreal.

Why is it bad? Because by putting all of the illegal immigrants in small areas it would cause all kinds of hurt for the local governments: feeding them, housing them, educating them, not to mention the strain on medical and police services.

It's a way of punishing the cities or locales that are identified as being friendly to immigrants.

It's punitive, Trump's favorite way of handling his adversaries or people who don't support him.

Wait! So you're saying it would actually be harmful to our local governments to bring in these illegal immigrants?? Because then we'd have to house, educate, feed, and police them, not to mention provide health services?? Huh!!! Who knew?!