Anonymous
05/29/2019 20:11
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:
I see someone trying to understand why universities that owned slaves and/or received funds directly tied to slavery (like Brown University whose donors/governing board were enriched by the slave trade) aren't held as accountable as plantation owners. Why is it okay for people to aspire to attend these slavery-tainted institutions but not plantations? Why hasn't the Virginia State Capitol in Richmond been torn down? Not only was it built by slaves and the Capitol of the Confederacy, it was where all the reprehensible slavery and Jim Crow laws were passed. That place is far more tainted than any plantation.
So you support Georgetown's efforts at reparations? Generally slavery apologists want to excuse past actions because those people are dead and there's no chattel slavery any longer in the US
Anonymous
05/29/2019 19:01
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So the plantation used to be worked by slaves and then not. Some of the original slavery era structures are on the property. The house is lovely. It seems like a tone deaf choice for a wedding venue in 2019. What do feel about plantation venue for a wedding? Is it just me?
I don't see the issue, either. (Full disclosure: I'm white). I respect others may feel strongly otherwise. But, there are many horribly, brutally racist places in the world. Should kids not go to formerly racist colleges (or less racist now)? What about being married in a Catholic Church (home to decades long Pedophilia cover ups)?
Yes, the history is horrific. But, as long as it's not covered up (e.g., like Mount Vernon, imo), I don't see the problem. Things change, evolveand you can "Take back" something previously ugly and turn it to something more positive.
Slavery may have pervaded institutions but the plantation system was the actual institution of slavery, so yes there is a difference.
So, it's just agricultural institutions you have a problem with, not the non-agricultural institutions that owned and benefited from slavery?
Don't be snide. Are you one of the people who says go for the plantation wedding because otherwise we're ignoring history??
Hmm. I don't see someone being snide. I see someone being judgmental and refusing to see different angles for treating the same historical evil.
I see someone trying to understand why universities that owned slaves and/or received funds directly tied to slavery (like Brown University whose donors/governing board were enriched by the slave trade) aren't held as accountable as plantation owners. Why is it okay for people to aspire to attend these slavery-tainted institutions but not plantations? Why hasn't the Virginia State Capitol in Richmond been torn down? Not only was it built by slaves and the Capitol of the Confederacy, it was where all the reprehensible slavery and Jim Crow laws were passed. That place is far more tainted than any plantation.
Anonymous
05/29/2019 15:58
Subject: Re:Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:If your guest list is all white, then you might be able to get away with this. If you have friends, co-workers, or other wedding guests who are black, then you should not do this.
It's romantic in a rose-colored glasses way.
It's about as romantic as choosing to hold a Jewish wedding at Auschwitz.
Anonymous
05/29/2019 14:56
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So the plantation used to be worked by slaves and then not. Some of the original slavery era structures are on the property. The house is lovely. It seems like a tone deaf choice for a wedding venue in 2019. What do feel about plantation venue for a wedding? Is it just me?
I don't see the issue, either. (Full disclosure: I'm white). I respect others may feel strongly otherwise. But, there are many horribly, brutally racist places in the world. Should kids not go to formerly racist colleges (or less racist now)? What about being married in a Catholic Church (home to decades long Pedophilia cover ups)?
Yes, the history is horrific. But, as long as it's not covered up (e.g., like Mount Vernon, imo), I don't see the problem. Things change, evolveand you can "Take back" something previously ugly and turn it to something more positive.
Slavery may have pervaded institutions but the plantation system was the actual institution of slavery, so yes there is a difference.
What about black-owned plantations?
Just stop. There weren’t free blacks in the south. Escaped slaves in the north were legally required to be returned to the south. Free blacks in the north didn’t own plantations.
Just stop what? You clearly don't know your history. Because there were free blacks in the American South. It was not the law that all blacks had to be slaves. Maryland was a slave state and had a big free black population and there were small communities in all the other states and especially in the cities. Both Charleston and New Orleans had thriving communities of free blacks. Life certainly wasn't ideal but it shows you're flat out wrong with the comments. And there were a few black slaveowners in Louisiana, including one or two planters. You should Google it. It is fascinating.
And of course plenty of black slaveowners in Africa but that's a different topic.
NP here.
1) there were free blacks in the south.
2) Are you familiar with the Fugitive Slave Act? You didn't need to be a slave, escaped, freed, or otherwise to be brought from the North (or any place) to be sold into slavery. You just needed to not be white and captured. The free black populations in Maryland and other places were at risk of being kidnapped and taken to the south and sold. There was a film made about this a few years ago, perhaps you heard of it? The man was a slave for 7 years - he'd been born free and captured.
Anonymous
05/29/2019 13:56
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So the plantation used to be worked by slaves and then not. Some of the original slavery era structures are on the property. The house is lovely. It seems like a tone deaf choice for a wedding venue in 2019. What do feel about plantation venue for a wedding? Is it just me?
I don't see the issue, either. (Full disclosure: I'm white). I respect others may feel strongly otherwise. But, there are many horribly, brutally racist places in the world. Should kids not go to formerly racist colleges (or less racist now)? What about being married in a Catholic Church (home to decades long Pedophilia cover ups)?
Yes, the history is horrific. But, as long as it's not covered up (e.g., like Mount Vernon, imo), I don't see the problem. Things change, evolveand you can "Take back" something previously ugly and turn it to something more positive.
Slavery may have pervaded institutions but the plantation system was the actual institution of slavery, so yes there is a difference.
What about black-owned plantations?
Just stop. There weren’t free blacks in the south. Escaped slaves in the north were legally required to be returned to the south. Free blacks in the north didn’t own plantations.
Just stop what? You clearly don't know your history. Because there were free blacks in the American South. It was not the law that all blacks had to be slaves. Maryland was a slave state and had a big free black population and there were small communities in all the other states and especially in the cities. Both Charleston and New Orleans had thriving communities of free blacks. Life certainly wasn't ideal but it shows you're flat out wrong with the comments. And there were a few black slaveowners in Louisiana, including one or two planters. You should Google it. It is fascinating.
And of course plenty of black slaveowners in Africa but that's a different topic.
Anonymous
05/29/2019 13:52
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So the plantation used to be worked by slaves and then not. Some of the original slavery era structures are on the property. The house is lovely. It seems like a tone deaf choice for a wedding venue in 2019. What do feel about plantation venue for a wedding? Is it just me?
I don't see the issue, either. (Full disclosure: I'm white). I respect others may feel strongly otherwise. But, there are many horribly, brutally racist places in the world. Should kids not go to formerly racist colleges (or less racist now)? What about being married in a Catholic Church (home to decades long Pedophilia cover ups)?
Yes, the history is horrific. But, as long as it's not covered up (e.g., like Mount Vernon, imo), I don't see the problem. Things change, evolveand you can "Take back" something previously ugly and turn it to something more positive.
Slavery may have pervaded institutions but the plantation system was the actual institution of slavery, so yes there is a difference.
So, it's just agricultural institutions you have a problem with, not the non-agricultural institutions that owned and benefited from slavery?
Don't be snide. Are you one of the people who says go for the plantation wedding because otherwise we're ignoring history??
Hmm. I don't see someone being snide. I see someone being judgmental and refusing to see different angles for treating the same historical evil.
Anonymous
05/29/2019 13:28
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So the plantation used to be worked by slaves and then not. Some of the original slavery era structures are on the property. The house is lovely. It seems like a tone deaf choice for a wedding venue in 2019. What do feel about plantation venue for a wedding? Is it just me?
I don't see the issue, either. (Full disclosure: I'm white). I respect others may feel strongly otherwise. But, there are many horribly, brutally racist places in the world. Should kids not go to formerly racist colleges (or less racist now)? What about being married in a Catholic Church (home to decades long Pedophilia cover ups)?
Yes, the history is horrific. But, as long as it's not covered up (e.g., like Mount Vernon, imo), I don't see the problem. Things change, evolveand you can "Take back" something previously ugly and turn it to something more positive.
Slavery may have pervaded institutions but the plantation system was the actual institution of slavery, so yes there is a difference.
So, it's just agricultural institutions you have a problem with, not the non-agricultural institutions that owned and benefited from slavery?
Don't be snide. Are you one of the people who says go for the plantation wedding because otherwise we're ignoring history??
Anonymous
05/29/2019 13:23
Subject: Re:Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
If your guest list is all white, then you might be able to get away with this. If you have friends, co-workers, or other wedding guests who are black, then you should not do this.
It's romantic in a rose-colored glasses way.
It's romantic in a rose-colored glasses way.
Anonymous
05/29/2019 13:10
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So the plantation used to be worked by slaves and then not. Some of the original slavery era structures are on the property. The house is lovely. It seems like a tone deaf choice for a wedding venue in 2019. What do feel about plantation venue for a wedding? Is it just me?
I don't see the issue, either. (Full disclosure: I'm white). I respect others may feel strongly otherwise. But, there are many horribly, brutally racist places in the world. Should kids not go to formerly racist colleges (or less racist now)? What about being married in a Catholic Church (home to decades long Pedophilia cover ups)?
Yes, the history is horrific. But, as long as it's not covered up (e.g., like Mount Vernon, imo), I don't see the problem. Things change, evolveand you can "Take back" something previously ugly and turn it to something more positive.
Slavery may have pervaded institutions but the plantation system was the actual institution of slavery, so yes there is a difference.
What about black-owned plantations?
Just stop. There weren’t free blacks in the south. Escaped slaves in the north were legally required to be returned to the south. Free blacks in the north didn’t own plantations.
There were some Cherokee plantations, there were blacks who owned slaves, sometimes via purchasing their family members, I know some (not sure which) states banned manumission at some point. But I say screw the what-about-ism. Fact is the slave economy was built and driven by whites. And it certainly wasn't Cherokees and blacks who came up with Jim Crow.
Anonymous
05/29/2019 13:00
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So the plantation used to be worked by slaves and then not. Some of the original slavery era structures are on the property. The house is lovely. It seems like a tone deaf choice for a wedding venue in 2019. What do feel about plantation venue for a wedding? Is it just me?
I don't see the issue, either. (Full disclosure: I'm white). I respect others may feel strongly otherwise. But, there are many horribly, brutally racist places in the world. Should kids not go to formerly racist colleges (or less racist now)? What about being married in a Catholic Church (home to decades long Pedophilia cover ups)?
Yes, the history is horrific. But, as long as it's not covered up (e.g., like Mount Vernon, imo), I don't see the problem. Things change, evolveand you can "Take back" something previously ugly and turn it to something more positive.
Slavery may have pervaded institutions but the plantation system was the actual institution of slavery, so yes there is a difference.
So, it's just agricultural institutions you have a problem with, not the non-agricultural institutions that owned and benefited from slavery?
Anonymous
05/28/2019 18:26
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So the plantation used to be worked by slaves and then not. Some of the original slavery era structures are on the property. The house is lovely. It seems like a tone deaf choice for a wedding venue in 2019. What do feel about plantation venue for a wedding? Is it just me?
I don't see the issue, either. (Full disclosure: I'm white). I respect others may feel strongly otherwise. But, there are many horribly, brutally racist places in the world. Should kids not go to formerly racist colleges (or less racist now)? What about being married in a Catholic Church (home to decades long Pedophilia cover ups)?
Yes, the history is horrific. But, as long as it's not covered up (e.g., like Mount Vernon, imo), I don't see the problem. Things change, evolveand you can "Take back" something previously ugly and turn it to something more positive.
I see your point, but there is still just something very wrong feeling. It would be like holding a party at Auschwitz or Dachau. It just has a huge ick factor
And I respect that, but disagree.
Anonymous
05/28/2019 17:23
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So the plantation used to be worked by slaves and then not. Some of the original slavery era structures are on the property. The house is lovely. It seems like a tone deaf choice for a wedding venue in 2019. What do feel about plantation venue for a wedding? Is it just me?
I don't see the issue, either. (Full disclosure: I'm white). I respect others may feel strongly otherwise. But, there are many horribly, brutally racist places in the world. Should kids not go to formerly racist colleges (or less racist now)? What about being married in a Catholic Church (home to decades long Pedophilia cover ups)?
Yes, the history is horrific. But, as long as it's not covered up (e.g., like Mount Vernon, imo), I don't see the problem. Things change, evolveand you can "Take back" something previously ugly and turn it to something more positive.
Slavery may have pervaded institutions but the plantation system was the actual institution of slavery, so yes there is a difference.
What about black-owned plantations?
Just stop. There weren’t free blacks in the south. Escaped slaves in the north were legally required to be returned to the south. Free blacks in the north didn’t own plantations.
Anonymous
05/28/2019 17:10
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t make slavery okay but a lot of slaves were treated well. And as horrible as we see it today, it was more just a fact of life and part of the economy back then. Some of those old plantation homes are beautiful and capture a brief era of American history. I think it’s important to preserve all parts of our history so that we can learn from it. Serving as a venue is how many of these places are able to remain preserved and open.
How is being forced to work for free being treated well. Some of you are in serious denial and very ignorant.
It wasn't for free. They got taken care of cradle to grave - food clothing, shelter, medical treatment. I'm not saying it's right, but they did get something.
Here's how bad slavery was: George Washington's personal chef - Hercules - ran away to freedom while Washington was still the POTUS. Chef Hercules was beloved by the Washington family and greatly lauded for his cooking artistry.
However, being a slave was still so bad - even for the chef of the first President of United States - that he absconded to freedom.
Fascinating read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_(chef)
So, how bad do you think it was for other slaves?
+1 How is it that 2019 that we're still having disagreements with people who think life as a slave was "not so bad"? Wtf people!
It's an attempt by conservatives and alt-rightists to degrade the morality of this country. To them, slavery is another form of economic "freedom" for those who own the slaves. Anything to rationalize the most brutal forms of capitalism.
Anonymous
05/28/2019 16:09
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So the plantation used to be worked by slaves and then not. Some of the original slavery era structures are on the property. The house is lovely. It seems like a tone deaf choice for a wedding venue in 2019. What do feel about plantation venue for a wedding? Is it just me?
I don't see the issue, either. (Full disclosure: I'm white). I respect others may feel strongly otherwise. But, there are many horribly, brutally racist places in the world. Should kids not go to formerly racist colleges (or less racist now)? What about being married in a Catholic Church (home to decades long Pedophilia cover ups)?
Yes, the history is horrific. But, as long as it's not covered up (e.g., like Mount Vernon, imo), I don't see the problem. Things change, evolveand you can "Take back" something previously ugly and turn it to something more positive.
Slavery may have pervaded institutions but the plantation system was the actual institution of slavery, so yes there is a difference.
What about black-owned plantations?
Anonymous
05/28/2019 16:08
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t make slavery okay but a lot of slaves were treated well. And as horrible as we see it today, it was more just a fact of life and part of the economy back then. Some of those old plantation homes are beautiful and capture a brief era of American history. I think it’s important to preserve all parts of our history so that we can learn from it. Serving as a venue is how many of these places are able to remain preserved and open.
How is being forced to work for free being treated well. Some of you are in serious denial and very ignorant.
It wasn't for free. They got taken care of cradle to grave - food clothing, shelter, medical treatment. I'm not saying it's right, but they did get something.
Here's how bad slavery was: George Washington's personal chef - Hercules - ran away to freedom while Washington was still the POTUS. Chef Hercules was beloved by the Washington family and greatly lauded for his cooking artistry.
However, being a slave was still so bad - even for the chef of the first President of United States - that he absconded to freedom.
Fascinating read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_(chef)
So, how bad do you think it was for other slaves?
+1 How is it that 2019 that we're still having disagreements with people who think life as a slave was "not so bad"? Wtf people!