Anonymous wrote:NNAT: 141
COGAT: (V / Q / NV / Composite) 132/133/115 Composite 130
GBRS: (#Consistent / #Frequent / #Occasional) not known yet
In-Pool: (Y/N) : N
Parent Referral: (Y/N): Yes with several work samples
WISC: NO
Zip Code: 22043
AAP Decision: (IN / NOT IN) - NOT IN

Absolutely crushed here. Our older son got in with lower test scores. Our son is not challenged now and he has been going to Mathnasiumn for enrichment.

YOu weren't in-pool with a 141 NNAT?

NNAT: 141
COGAT: (V / Q / NV / Composite) 132/133/115 Composite 130
GBRS: (#Consistent / #Frequent / #Occasional) not known yet
In-Pool: (Y/N) : N
Parent Referral: (Y/N): Yes with several work samples
WISC: NO
Zip Code: 22043
AAP Decision: (IN / NOT IN) - NOT IN

Absolutely crushed here. Our older son got in with lower test scores. Our son is not challenged now and he has been going to Mathnasiumn for enrichment.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t advanced academics. Not sure what it is. With low scores getting in and high scores getting rejected, it simply isn’t. There will be lawsuits and rightly so. It gives certain kids access to a better education and there doesn’t seem to be a rational basis for it. Someone is going to bring the whole thing down. And considering it costs the county a fortune to maintain this two-tiered system, I hope it does get tossed out. And no, we weren’t rejected. We decided the whole system was a farce and went private.

No, it doesn't cost a fortune and the state of Virginia requires some sort of gifted program. So it's this or something else.

Gifted is considered top 2 percent on IQ tests. That would be a much smaller program and thus much less expensive. This bohemoth isn’t a gifted program. It is a hugely irresponsible boondoggle with taxpayer funds that fails to even provide some of the gifted kids with the education that you say the state requires. It is indefensible.

My kid got a 136 on the Cogat and the NNAT. He hasn't taken the WISC because why would he? Those scores are top 2 percent.

I'm happy with AAP but even if I weren't, I wouldn't choose private. So we have very differing priorities for our children.

I hope your kid got in. Should have. If didn’t, then you are proving my point. If did, then go away because lots of kids did better and didn’t get in.

Lol

I'm telling you, private school parent, whether AAP is a bloated tick or a gifted program, it doesn't cost much. The most expense is in the testing, but since Virginia requires some sort of gifted program, some sort of tests are required. The AAP kids don't get special facilities or resources, just regular elementary and middle school teachers.

That is hilarious. If it was so much the same as Gen Ed, why all the long faces and scrambling to get kids in. You don’t really believe what you just typed. And if you say that to the parents whose kids didn’t get it, don’t be surprised if they punch you in the face.

It's the same cost as Gen Ed. The material is more advanced, that doesn't require more qualified teachers that are paid more. The AAP classes are also not smaller than the gen Ed classes as a general rule, so there is no need for extra teachers. People are upset because they wanted the more advanced curriculum for their kids. Them being more upset doesn't make the program cost "a fortune." You are conflating issues. You're upset about the selection process, that's different than cost.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t advanced academics. Not sure what it is. With low scores getting in and high scores getting rejected, it simply isn’t. There will be lawsuits and rightly so. It gives certain kids access to a better education and there doesn’t seem to be a rational basis for it. Someone is going to bring the whole thing down. And considering it costs the county a fortune to maintain this two-tiered system, I hope it does get tossed out. And no, we weren’t rejected. We decided the whole system was a farce and went private.

No, it doesn't cost a fortune and the state of Virginia requires some sort of gifted program. So it's this or something else.

Gifted is considered top 2 percent on IQ tests. That would be a much smaller program and thus much less expensive. This bohemoth isn’t a gifted program. It is a hugely irresponsible boondoggle with taxpayer funds that fails to even provide some of the gifted kids with the education that you say the state requires. It is indefensible.

Not everyone can afford to go private. And honestly, private is a farce too.

No. It is just what it says it is. You pay for smaller classes and avoiding kids with certain issues. You pay for higher expectations that are enforced. But don’t attack private as a way of defending AAP. This entire string of posts is evidence that it isn’t a gifted program. Not my facts. Just helping you see what those facts mean. It is a bloated tick but it isn’t a gifted program.

It's basically an honors program spanning 3-8. Other than the buses, it doesn't cost any more than gen Ed. The kids would have to be educated anyway. Some kids are academically more advanced so having honors starting in 3rd makes sense. The powers that be have deemed honors in elementary "tracking" and bad. This is what's developed because of that stupidity and because of the requirement for gifted education. AAP kills two birds with one stone.

Ultimately FCPS is a government entity. They have to have set standards for admission to their AAP program. Otherwise their selection becomes arbitrary and capricious.

People chill..... The nastiness has gotten out of control

1) This is elementary school we are talking about. They don't even get letter grades! This is more about bragging rights for the parents.

2) This is an ADVANCED program and not gifted, hence the name of the program.

3) The grass is always greener on the other side. Do you know who many people post that the program is joke and not advanced at all. Yet, everyone feels the need for their child to be in it. If you didn't get in, appeal. Or find another outlet for your child to be challenged. Or heaven forbid, let them be in the Gen Ed class. I promise the kids don't have cooties and your child will not be come dumb because they are not in AAP. If they are "smarter" than the kids in the class, have them step up and help the lesser performing kids. Offer to help them with their homework or a project. Show your child how to be a leader. And, if you are in the program - take an active role and participate. Work with the administration and teachers to make it a better program. Stop complaining and do something And, no, a FOIA request and lawsuit are not going to solve anything.

Off my soap box, flame away...

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t advanced academics. Not sure what it is. With low scores getting in and high scores getting rejected, it simply isn’t. There will be lawsuits and rightly so. It gives certain kids access to a better education and there doesn’t seem to be a rational basis for it. Someone is going to bring the whole thing down. And considering it costs the county a fortune to maintain this two-tiered system, I hope it does get tossed out. And no, we weren’t rejected. We decided the whole system was a farce and went private.

No, it doesn't cost a fortune and the state of Virginia requires some sort of gifted program. So it's this or something else.

Gifted is considered top 2 percent on IQ tests. That would be a much smaller program and thus much less expensive. This bohemoth isn’t a gifted program. It is a hugely irresponsible boondoggle with taxpayer funds that fails to even provide some of the gifted kids with the education that you say the state requires. It is indefensible.

My kid got a 136 on the Cogat and the NNAT. He hasn't taken the WISC because why would he? Those scores are top 2 percent.

I'm happy with AAP but even if I weren't, I wouldn't choose private. So we have very differing priorities for our children.

I hope your kid got in. Should have. If didn’t, then you are proving my point. If did, then go away because lots of kids did better and didn’t get in.

Lol

I'm telling you, private school parent, whether AAP is a bloated tick or a gifted program, it doesn't cost much. The most expense is in the testing, but since Virginia requires some sort of gifted program, some sort of tests are required. The AAP kids don't get special facilities or resources, just regular elementary and middle school teachers.

That is hilarious. If it was so much the same as Gen Ed, why all the long faces and scrambling to get kids in. You don’t really believe what you just typed. And if you say that to the parents whose kids didn’t get it, don’t be surprised if they punch you in the face.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t advanced academics. Not sure what it is. With low scores getting in and high scores getting rejected, it simply isn’t. There will be lawsuits and rightly so. It gives certain kids access to a better education and there doesn’t seem to be a rational basis for it. Someone is going to bring the whole thing down. And considering it costs the county a fortune to maintain this two-tiered system, I hope it does get tossed out. And no, we weren’t rejected. We decided the whole system was a farce and went private.

No, it doesn't cost a fortune and the state of Virginia requires some sort of gifted program. So it's this or something else.

Gifted is considered top 2 percent on IQ tests. That would be a much smaller program and thus much less expensive. This bohemoth isn’t a gifted program. It is a hugely irresponsible boondoggle with taxpayer funds that fails to even provide some of the gifted kids with the education that you say the state requires. It is indefensible.

My kid got a 136 on the Cogat and the NNAT. He hasn't taken the WISC because why would he? Those scores are top 2 percent.

I'm happy with AAP but even if I weren't, I wouldn't choose private. So we have very differing priorities for our children.

I hope your kid got in. Should have. If didn’t, then you are proving my point. If did, then go away because lots of kids did better and didn’t get in.

Lol

I'm telling you, private school parent, whether AAP is a bloated tick or a gifted program, it doesn't cost much. The most expense is in the testing, but since Virginia requires some sort of gifted program, some sort of tests are required. The AAP kids don't get special facilities or resources, just regular elementary and middle school teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t advanced academics. Not sure what it is. With low scores getting in and high scores getting rejected, it simply isn’t. There will be lawsuits and rightly so. It gives certain kids access to a better education and there doesn’t seem to be a rational basis for it. Someone is going to bring the whole thing down. And considering it costs the county a fortune to maintain this two-tiered system, I hope it does get tossed out. And no, we weren’t rejected. We decided the whole system was a farce and went private.

No, it doesn't cost a fortune and the state of Virginia requires some sort of gifted program. So it's this or something else.

Gifted is considered top 2 percent on IQ tests. That would be a much smaller program and thus much less expensive. This bohemoth isn’t a gifted program. It is a hugely irresponsible boondoggle with taxpayer funds that fails to even provide some of the gifted kids with the education that you say the state requires. It is indefensible.

My kid got a 136 on the Cogat and the NNAT. He hasn't taken the WISC because why would he? Those scores are top 2 percent.

I'm happy with AAP but even if I weren't, I wouldn't choose private. So we have very differing priorities for our children.

I hope your kid got in. Should have. If didn’t, then you are proving my point. If did, then go away because lots of kids did better and didn’t get in.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t advanced academics. Not sure what it is. With low scores getting in and high scores getting rejected, it simply isn’t. There will be lawsuits and rightly so. It gives certain kids access to a better education and there doesn’t seem to be a rational basis for it. Someone is going to bring the whole thing down. And considering it costs the county a fortune to maintain this two-tiered system, I hope it does get tossed out. And no, we weren’t rejected. We decided the whole system was a farce and went private.

No, it doesn't cost a fortune and the state of Virginia requires some sort of gifted program. So it's this or something else.

Gifted is considered top 2 percent on IQ tests. That would be a much smaller program and thus much less expensive. This bohemoth isn’t a gifted program. It is a hugely irresponsible boondoggle with taxpayer funds that fails to even provide some of the gifted kids with the education that you say the state requires. It is indefensible.

Not everyone can afford to go private. And honestly, private is a farce too.

Private school poster here. I admit— I took the easy and expensive way out because I think AAP is both deeply flawed, results in a majority of kids getting a second rate education and has become akin to a private school application process. And— while applying to private school includes issues of size and all manner of subjective things, We all want to believe that the brightest kids get into a publicly funded advanced academic program. But they haven’t been for quite a few years now and based on this string, that phenomenon is getting worse. The county should be held to account for all the time, money and attention this massive prrogram gets while still remaining opaque and seemingly unfair. The fact that we cannot FOIA how this is done is outrageous. But don’t turn your rage on me. Res iPsa loquitor. The thing speaks for itself. It ain’t a gifted program if it excludes gifted kids.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t advanced academics. Not sure what it is. With low scores getting in and high scores getting rejected, it simply isn’t. There will be lawsuits and rightly so. It gives certain kids access to a better education and there doesn’t seem to be a rational basis for it. Someone is going to bring the whole thing down. And considering it costs the county a fortune to maintain this two-tiered system, I hope it does get tossed out. And no, we weren’t rejected. We decided the whole system was a farce and went private.

No, it doesn't cost a fortune and the state of Virginia requires some sort of gifted program. So it's this or something else.

Gifted is considered top 2 percent on IQ tests. That would be a much smaller program and thus much less expensive. This bohemoth isn’t a gifted program. It is a hugely irresponsible boondoggle with taxpayer funds that fails to even provide some of the gifted kids with the education that you say the state requires. It is indefensible.

My kid got a 136 on the Cogat and the NNAT. He hasn't taken the WISC because why would he? Those scores are top 2 percent.

I'm happy with AAP but even if I weren't, I wouldn't choose private. So we have very differing priorities for our children.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t advanced academics. Not sure what it is. With low scores getting in and high scores getting rejected, it simply isn’t. There will be lawsuits and rightly so. It gives certain kids access to a better education and there doesn’t seem to be a rational basis for it. Someone is going to bring the whole thing down. And considering it costs the county a fortune to maintain this two-tiered system, I hope it does get tossed out. And no, we weren’t rejected. We decided the whole system was a farce and went private.

No, it doesn't cost a fortune and the state of Virginia requires some sort of gifted program. So it's this or something else.

Gifted is considered top 2 percent on IQ tests. That would be a much smaller program and thus much less expensive. This bohemoth isn’t a gifted program. It is a hugely irresponsible boondoggle with taxpayer funds that fails to even provide some of the gifted kids with the education that you say the state requires. It is indefensible.

Not everyone can afford to go private. And honestly, private is a farce too.

No. It is just what it says it is. You pay for smaller classes and avoiding kids with certain issues. You pay for higher expectations that are enforced. But don’t attack private as a way of defending AAP. This entire string of posts is evidence that it isn’t a gifted program. Not my facts. Just helping you see what those facts mean. It is a bloated tick but it isn’t a gifted program.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t advanced academics. Not sure what it is. With low scores getting in and high scores getting rejected, it simply isn’t. There will be lawsuits and rightly so. It gives certain kids access to a better education and there doesn’t seem to be a rational basis for it. Someone is going to bring the whole thing down. And considering it costs the county a fortune to maintain this two-tiered system, I hope it does get tossed out. And no, we weren’t rejected. We decided the whole system was a farce and went private.

No, it doesn't cost a fortune and the state of Virginia requires some sort of gifted program. So it's this or something else.

Gifted is considered top 2 percent on IQ tests. That would be a much smaller program and thus much less expensive. This bohemoth isn’t a gifted program. It is a hugely irresponsible boondoggle with taxpayer funds that fails to even provide some of the gifted kids with the education that you say the state requires. It is indefensible.

Not everyone can afford to go private. And honestly, private is a farce too.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t advanced academics. Not sure what it is. With low scores getting in and high scores getting rejected, it simply isn’t. There will be lawsuits and rightly so. It gives certain kids access to a better education and there doesn’t seem to be a rational basis for it. Someone is going to bring the whole thing down. And considering it costs the county a fortune to maintain this two-tiered system, I hope it does get tossed out. And no, we weren’t rejected. We decided the whole system was a farce and went private.

No, it doesn't cost a fortune and the state of Virginia requires some sort of gifted program. So it's this or something else.

Gifted is considered top 2 percent on IQ tests. That would be a much smaller program and thus much less expensive. This bohemoth isn’t a gifted program. It is a hugely irresponsible boondoggle with taxpayer funds that fails to even provide some of the gifted kids with the education that you say the state requires. It is indefensible.

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Does it seem to anyone else like there are way more WTF? rejections this year than previous years?

The only unifying theme I've seen in these WTF in-pool rejections is that the parents didn't seem to fill out the optional questionnaire or provide work samples. The selection committee seemed to really want those this year.

Agree, which is odd because really, crap parents are providing from home can be so easily faked/made up.

Yes, this is why I didn't provide a lot of samples from home. I thought that they wouldn't place much weight in it.