Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 17:00     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:No one started justifying until you started haranguing then for their reasons. There a a myriad - allergies, temperament, size, known breed, to avoid other known breeds, tradition, whatever other reasons there were ... but you told them those reasons were unimportant, so they started in with the more elaborate excuses.

Dang, your holier than thou and know it all attitude cause me to believe you have an unhappy marriage and pitiful social life.


When all else fails, attack the messenger.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 16:13     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
No one started justifying until you started haranguing then for their reasons. There a a myriad - allergies, temperament, size, known breed, to avoid other known breeds, tradition, whatever other reasons there were ... but you told them those reasons were unimportant, so they started in with the more elaborate excuses.

Dang, your holier than thou and know it all attitude cause me to believe you have an unhappy marriage and pitiful social life.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 16:07     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:PP, what bothers me the most is that people buy from breeders. What bothers me second most is all the posters on this thread who are lying or rationalizing the reasons.

Yes, everyone who doesn't agree with you must be lying or rationalizing. Aren't people terrible?? You're the only good one left, OP.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 15:21     Subject: Re:How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Fine, it's mostly OP versus everyone else. I think all you've managed to do here is solidify the stereotype of rescue people as crazy people.


This X100. Plus I have never known anyone who has gotten a dog from a breeder decide to re home it or get rid of it. I have known several people who got a dog from a rescue and had to get rid of it due to behavior problems. Dealing with a large dog that has behavior problems is very exhausting and often dangerous. The rescues really need to stop passing along pit mixes as labs.


The same is true for me. I have never known anyone to re-home a dog from a breeder. I have known several who had to re-home dogs from rescues for aggression and other terrible behaviors.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 15:18     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:PP, what bothers me the most is that people buy from breeders. What bothers me second most is all the posters on this thread who are lying or rationalizing the reasons.


If you are worried about rationalization and lying, you should look at yourself first.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 15:05     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
PP, what bothers me the most is that people buy from breeders. What bothers me second most is all the posters on this thread who are lying or rationalizing the reasons.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 15:00     Subject: Re:How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The truth is that solo purchasers from ethical breeders do not contribute to auctions and puppy mills. Rescues, on the other hand, directly and indirectly support puppy mills and auctions, to the point that rescues are driving up prices for dogs at auction and puppy mills significantly.

Face your truth: you care more about your virtue signalling and the emotional validation you get by calling yourself a rescuer than you do about the well-being of dogs. You're fine with puppy mills and auctions. Just own it.


Sigh. Even if, for sake of argument, you're absolutely right that rescues "directly and indirectly support puppy mills," you know that I'm not "fine with puppy mills and auctions." All I am, again purely for sake of argument, is mistaken and misinformed in the relationship between puppy mills and rescues.

You, on the other hand, are not buying your dog from a breeder instead of going to a rescue (to say nothing about going to a shelters) because you are outraged over how rescues operate. You're going to a breeder because you want a certain kind of dog, and a certain kind of dog only, and you couldn't care less about anything else. So while my "virtue" may be based on being misinformed, but you have no virtue at all. You couldn't care less, so long as you get your designer dog.


Is that what troubles you most, OP? That other people don't share your noble sense of virtue? Would that be the virtue that can't accept people have individual needs or other viewpoints from yourself? Or the virtue that calls people selfish bitches?
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 14:38     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Wanted to reduce the possibility of allergies, since we have allergy problems in our house. Wanted a puppy instead of an older dog, since DC is timid and I wanted the dog to grow up with them from the beginning. Wanted particular personality traits that I was reasonably sure the dog would have. After our kids are out of the house, when this dog dies if we get another one we'll do a rescue. But for now I own our decision and am ok with it.

People who have a problem with this may have a point, but unless they're vegetarian, they need to get off their high horse.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 14:25     Subject: Re:How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Fine, it's mostly OP versus everyone else. I think all you've managed to do here is solidify the stereotype of rescue people as crazy people.


This X100. Plus I have never known anyone who has gotten a dog from a breeder decide to re home it or get rid of it. I have known several people who got a dog from a rescue and had to get rid of it due to behavior problems. Dealing with a large dog that has behavior problems is very exhausting and often dangerous. The rescues really need to stop passing along pit mixes as labs.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 14:15     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
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Anonymous wrote:Do you get this excited about people who pursue fertility treatments instead of adopting? Or, basically anyone who has a biological child instead of adopting? There are HUMANS who need homes too. Do you ask New parents why they decided to have biological children instead of adopt a kid?


I would discourage humans from breeding other humans so they could buy from other humans the exact human that they wanted. Yes.


Effing thank you. People who are trying to do the whole "why have biological kids when you can adopt" schtick are ridiculous. There is no comparison. Not even close.


It is exactly the same thing. A dog is a dog, get a rescue. A child is a child, don't give birth to your own, adopt one of the many needing homes. You are refusing to even consider that people have both requirements and preferences that drive their choices in life. Stop being stupid. Seriously. Twenty pages and you have not made one single person see your way. It's pretty rare when DCUM comes together in agreement, and you should see that in this case. You are militant and your holier than thou attitude is ridiculously misplaced.


You do realize that there is more than one person on this thread who is anti-breeder, right? It’s not the OP versus everybody else.


Fine, it's mostly OP versus everyone else. I think all you've managed to do here is solidify the stereotype of rescue people as crazy people.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 13:34     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Do you get this excited about people who pursue fertility treatments instead of adopting? Or, basically anyone who has a biological child instead of adopting? There are HUMANS who need homes too. Do you ask New parents why they decided to have biological children instead of adopt a kid?


I would discourage humans from breeding other humans so they could buy from other humans the exact human that they wanted. Yes.


Too late. This is already happening. I am talking about when single people and gay/Lesbian couples buy eggs/sperms to get the designer baby...want a Harvard grad with blue eyes..choose donor number 2175!


LOL! Exactly. "No, I want my blue eyed perfect baby, not this potential physical and mental mess of an orphan!"


"Right? Her bio dad may have been an addict and worse, her bio mom may have been fat!"
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 13:33     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you get this excited about people who pursue fertility treatments instead of adopting? Or, basically anyone who has a biological child instead of adopting? There are HUMANS who need homes too. Do you ask New parents why they decided to have biological children instead of adopt a kid?


I would discourage humans from breeding other humans so they could buy from other humans the exact human that they wanted. Yes.


Too late. This is already happening. I am talking about when single people and gay/Lesbian couples buy eggs/sperms to get the designer baby...want a Harvard grad with blue eyes..choose donor number 2175!


LOL! Exactly. "No, I want my blue eyed perfect baby, not this potential physical and mental mess of an orphan!"
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 13:30     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you get this excited about people who pursue fertility treatments instead of adopting? Or, basically anyone who has a biological child instead of adopting? There are HUMANS who need homes too. Do you ask New parents why they decided to have biological children instead of adopt a kid?


I would discourage humans from breeding other humans so they could buy from other humans the exact human that they wanted. Yes.


Too late. This is already happening. I am talking about when single people and gay/Lesbian couples buy eggs/sperms to get the designer baby...want a Harvard grad with blue eyes..choose donor number 2175!
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 13:30     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
But the puppy mills, backyard breeders, and auctions that supply rescues treat their dogs so much better?
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2018 13:25     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
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Anonymous wrote:We should also stop having children of our own as long as there are kids who need adoption!


That makes no sense. Literally.

+1


Oh but it does make sense under the bizarre logic of the OP. OP tells us that anyone who chooses a specific dog from a breeder rather than one of the many unwanted ones in a shelter is responsible for their euthanasia, and is selfish for wanting a particular dog rather than rescuing. By that logic, other people have had children that they can't or won't raise. Those children are in foster care, orphanages, and other temporary care environments. It's selfish to be picky about the type of child you want (ie. a bio child), when there are already all these other perfectly good children out there in the world in need of homes.

This is exactly the argument that OP and whatever other strident idiots are making, that if a child never finds a permanent home then any family who gave birth to their own child rather than adopting is responsible for the plight of the one without a family. Just like any family that chooses a specific dog from a breeder is responsible for the death of a dog in a shelter.

It's incredibly extreme in terms of defining our responsibilities with regard to others, and it puts all of us at the mercy of the worst decision-makers among us. I hate the idea that dogs are euthanized, but I don't think it's my job to support puppy mills every time a rescue swoops in and gets all the dogs.


This truly takes the prize for the most disingenuous argument on this thread.


Nonsense. It's an excellent point. Why should people bring new children into the world when there are so many who need good homes?


PP Humans are not biologically related to either breeder dogs or rescue dogs. That's the difference. People want to pass on their genes.

As for the debate I worry about the health of the fancy dogs. Humans are literally killing these dogs by overbreeding them and inbreeding them ( moms and sons and daughters and fathers) If a ridgeback dog doesn't have a ridge which normally would be considered optimal the breeder kills the puppy because humans want that ridge. Same with the noses of English and French bull dogs...they can't breathe naturally anymore or with much difficulty.

Everyone should watch the documentary about this from the BBC I think it is this link:

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/pedigree-dogs-exposed/