House their program? They are just a neighborhood school. T I have trouble believing they need several hundred thousand dollars to move a science lab. And if there's no room for the science lab, that's just how it goes. Plenty of schools have had to give up nice-to-have rooms or extra classrooms due to overcrowding. Spare us.

The ASFS PTA is already taking the position that the Key building will need hundreds of thousands of dollars of upgrades/rennovations to house their program. This appears to be an expensive move, particularly since they will have to add more trailers at ASFS to house the immersion program, at least in the short run.

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Anonymous wrote:ASFS being a neighborhood school outside of its boundary is a problem that APS staff created for themselves when making ASFS the neighborhood school for the zone, rather than Key.

Right, which is why Immersion has to move. Option schools don't get to be hogged by specific neighborhoods.

What's that mean, "hogged by specific neighborhoods?" If you mean only kids from certain boundaries have a realistic shot at option schools, well that used to be the case but is no longer. It's a blind lottery, just like DC or MoCo, and open to kids across the County.

If you mean option schools shouldn't take up neighborhood seats, you're not making sense. The option schools have to go in existing buildings, which are in neighborhoods. So if it's not in YOUR neighborhood, they're going in someone else's. There is zero impetus to build a new school for Immersion. And APS is not getting rid of Immersion, so let's not even travel down that route.

That's not what I was saying. ASFS was a neighborhood school/team hybrid and Key was a hybrid of sorts, too, being both an option and a neighborhood school. If you lived in the Key zone, you had guaranteed admittance to either school. I have seen comments that people are angry that they don't still have those guarantees, hence the "hogging" comment. The policy had to change, it was right for it to change, because kids should have equal opportunity to attend programs regardless of where they live. If they had made Key a purely neighborhood school last year, that would've meant moving immersion sooner. Is that what you are saying? They should've made the switch already? They can't both be option schools. To make ASFS the neighborhood school but keep Key countywide doesn't seem to make sense from a transportation perspective. They'd have to draw odd boundaries, increasing transportation costs, to make it work. If this were meeting some other objective, like balancing diversity, or maintaining access for Latino populations, it might make sense, but it doesn't appear to do either of those things. I suspect the one-time cost of moving the program is lower than the ongoing cost of keeping it where it is. I don't think they're doing this for sh**s and giggles.

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Anonymous wrote:ASFS being a neighborhood school outside of its boundary is a problem that APS staff created for themselves when making ASFS the neighborhood school for the zone, rather than Key.

Right, which is why Immersion has to move. Option schools don't get to be hogged by specific neighborhoods.

What's that mean, "hogged by specific neighborhoods?" If you mean only kids from certain boundaries have a realistic shot at option schools, well that used to be the case but is no longer. It's a blind lottery, just like DC or MoCo, and open to kids across the County.

If you mean option schools shouldn't take up neighborhood seats, you're not making sense. The option schools have to go in existing buildings, which are in neighborhoods. So if it's not in YOUR neighborhood, they're going in someone else's. There is zero impetus to build a new school for Immersion. And APS is not getting rid of Immersion, so let's not even travel down that route.

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Oh, come on. I'm a Nottingham parent so I don't have a dog in this fight, but this is a bit rich.

puhleeze! fat chance

Nottingham parent or not, the PP she was responding to doesn't seem to understand South Arlington. Should kids be crossing 50? Maybe, but not just so that Cherrydale can have a walkable school. If moving kids from Rosslyn into Long Branch actually helped South Arlington, they would be supportive. It doesn't, in fact, it would take seats needed for capacity relief at some very overcrowded South Arlington schools. This new school and the resulting shuffling around of the Montessori program and boundaries are all the capacity relief South Arlington is going to get for a very long while (so we've been told). They need to get it right, and there's the added variable of very disparate economic situations at neighboring schools. It's different from most of North Arlington in that regard, and so it's going to be more fraught and more difficult for Staff, and they don't need the added distraction of figuring out the Key/ASFS thing right now.

Should we be thinking of the County as one? Probably. But it rings a bit hollow when this idea of coming together is only brought up in this context. If someone really wants to bridge the divide, they have to come to the table with something that is mutually beneficial. This is not that.

AMEN. Standing ovation! +1 million!

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Oh, come on. I'm a Nottingham parent so I don't have a dog in this fight, but this is a bit rich.

puhleeze! fat chance

Nottingham parent or not, the PP she was responding to doesn't seem to understand South Arlington. Should kids be crossing 50? Maybe, but not just so that Cherrydale can have a walkable school. If moving kids from Rosslyn into Long Branch actually helped South Arlington, they would be supportive. It doesn't, in fact, it would take seats needed for capacity relief at some very overcrowded South Arlington schools. This new school and the resulting shuffling around of the Montessori program and boundaries are all the capacity relief South Arlington is going to get for a very long while (so we've been told). They need to get it right, and there's the added variable of very disparate economic situations at neighboring schools. It's different from most of North Arlington in that regard, and so it's going to be more fraught and more difficult for Staff, and they don't need the added distraction of figuring out the Key/ASFS thing right now.

Should we be thinking of the County as one? Probably. But it rings a bit hollow when this idea of coming together is only brought up in this context. If someone really wants to bridge the divide, they have to come to the table with something that is mutually beneficial. This is not that.

Oh, come on. I'm a Nottingham parent so I don't have a dog in this fight, but this is a bit rich.

puhleeze! fat chance

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Anonymous wrote:What does Cherrydale want out of this? I’m deeply skeptical.

ASFS, my precious.

Huh. I thought they were really, really concerned about the well being of immersion in the county.

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Anonymous wrote:Because the plural of anecdote is clearly data: my kid is a kindergartner at Key, we walk, and at least half of the other parents at walker pickup are non-white. Probably more. To be fair, some may park nearby and pick up at the walker door instead of the car pickup line.

You have a car pickup line? Every school I've been to has you park and walk to walker door.

It’s only long enough to accommodate about three cars at a time, but yeah. There’s not a lot of parking in the neighborhood and the lot is just for teachers and bus pickup.

(Also, sorry for possibly misidentifying you, PP. I probably see you at pickup!

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Anonymous wrote:Carlin springs is the county worst offending poverty pocket. It shouldn’t have aneighborhood school. Some of the nearby native speakers will go there and the rest get despersed. That’s the solution

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#whitewalkersoftheCheRosslynWar
only constructive thing to come from these threads

I can see value of option at CS to break up cluster of poverty.

I suspect two Spanish immersion programs nearly collocated in S Arlington would be a bit on the nose.

So ATS to CS, Immersion to ATS?

The positive about 2 immersion schools close by and centrally locatesd is that they could do some joint special events. They could also optimize buses so that one bus could pick up for both schools - probably cut out a lot of extra option school buses.

They wouldn't do one bus picking up simultaneously for two elementary schools because there's too much of a risk there of students ending up at the wrong school. If they did the common application pool, they said they envisioned a system where students who accepted spots in the program would be assigned to a school so as to minimize the number of bus routes for the program. So if your neighborhood already has a handful of kids who go to one school, that's probably where your kid would also go so they all could ride the same bus, even if you would prefer the other school for some reason.

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Anonymous wrote:Carlin springs is the county worst offending poverty pocket. It shouldn’t have aneighborhood school. Some of the nearby native speakers will go there and the rest get despersed. That’s the solution

Also
#whitewalkersoftheCheRosslynWar
only constructive thing to come from these threads

I can see value of option at CS to break up cluster of poverty.

I suspect two Spanish immersion programs nearly collocated in S Arlington would be a bit on the nose.

So ATS to CS, Immersion to ATS?

The positive about 2 immersion schools close by and centrally locatesd is that they could do some joint special events. They could also optimize buses so that one bus could pick up for both schools - probably cut out a lot of extra option school buses.

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Yep, keep pushing the issue this fall, it's the best way to accelerate the swap. If the ASFS/Key people sufficiently disrupt this fall's South Arlington boundary process with this issue, APS will do the swap for the 2020 school year and get it over with so that it doesn't totally derail the North Arlington boundary process that fall.

This isn't an off-the wall comment, but if those opposed let the issue sit for now, it will achieve an aura of inevitability. If they want a different outcome, I don't think they can afford to wait. They need to make their case now, while other options are still available.

What other options do you think are available? What options are foreclosed by waiting until Spring?

The only option that is unavailable after this fall is leaving all the schools where they are and balancing enrollment by pushing overflow N. Arlington students south to Fleet. In the rezoning round for Reed, the re-balancing will have to involve either tentacles reaching east or school swap (or both), Fleet is not in play. Obviously the board and staff do not want to send students across 50 to Fleet, thus the swap plan.

I've had more than enough of people claiming Fleet to alleviate the north's problems. "Fleet" was supposed to be built to help problems in the south back when Discovery got built with the bond money instead. There - there's your "Fleet" solution to the north's problems. And THIS Fleet was to resolve overcrowding in SOUTH arlington. So stop tromping all over the south - putting it down, calling MC southies hypocrites, trashing our schools, etc. but using us when it suits you. You want the north/south divide, you got it. For decades you've reinforced the north/south divide to keep your ivory towers polished and the brown tarnish out, so now live with it and the consequences it creates for yourselves.

Damn, feeling a bit triggered? For the record, I haven't been here for decades making policy decisions and I doubt you have either. I don't know why we continue to pretend that 50 is an uncrossable chasm, seems like that would perpetuate the divide that you claim to hate. We're here now, do you want things to change or not?

Sure. There's plenty of room at the new Drew. Let's just bus you right past Fleet to Drew? That ok with you? That's what's needed. Fleets opening simply moves the dividing line from route 50 to Columbia pike.

Barcroft and Long Branch's zones meet at the corners, we could also send North Arlington kids across 50 there. If they don't want the year-round calendar, they can transfer to Randolph.

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Yep, keep pushing the issue this fall, it's the best way to accelerate the swap. If the ASFS/Key people sufficiently disrupt this fall's South Arlington boundary process with this issue, APS will do the swap for the 2020 school year and get it over with so that it doesn't totally derail the North Arlington boundary process that fall.

This isn't an off-the wall comment, but if those opposed let the issue sit for now, it will achieve an aura of inevitability. If they want a different outcome, I don't think they can afford to wait. They need to make their case now, while other options are still available.

What other options do you think are available? What options are foreclosed by waiting until Spring?

The only option that is unavailable after this fall is leaving all the schools where they are and balancing enrollment by pushing overflow N. Arlington students south to Fleet. In the rezoning round for Reed, the re-balancing will have to involve either tentacles reaching east or school swap (or both), Fleet is not in play. Obviously the board and staff do not want to send students across 50 to Fleet, thus the swap plan.

I've had more than enough of people claiming Fleet to alleviate the north's problems. "Fleet" was supposed to be built to help problems in the south back when Discovery got built with the bond money instead. There - there's your "Fleet" solution to the north's problems. And THIS Fleet was to resolve overcrowding in SOUTH arlington. So stop tromping all over the south - putting it down, calling MC southies hypocrites, trashing our schools, etc. but using us when it suits you. You want the north/south divide, you got it. For decades you've reinforced the north/south divide to keep your ivory towers polished and the brown tarnish out, so now live with it and the consequences it creates for yourselves.

Damn, feeling a bit triggered? For the record, I haven't been here for decades making policy decisions and I doubt you have either. I don't know why we continue to pretend that 50 is an uncrossable chasm, seems like that would perpetuate the divide that you claim to hate. We're here now, do you want things to change or not?

Sure. There's plenty of room at the new Drew. Let's just bus you right past Fleet to Drew? That ok with you? That's what's needed. Fleets opening simply moves the dividing line from route 50 to Columbia pike.

They rightfully want things to change for the better for south Arlington. Tired of hearing about ASFS.

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Yep, keep pushing the issue this fall, it's the best way to accelerate the swap. If the ASFS/Key people sufficiently disrupt this fall's South Arlington boundary process with this issue, APS will do the swap for the 2020 school year and get it over with so that it doesn't totally derail the North Arlington boundary process that fall.

This isn't an off-the wall comment, but if those opposed let the issue sit for now, it will achieve an aura of inevitability. If they want a different outcome, I don't think they can afford to wait. They need to make their case now, while other options are still available.

What other options do you think are available? What options are foreclosed by waiting until Spring?

The only option that is unavailable after this fall is leaving all the schools where they are and balancing enrollment by pushing overflow N. Arlington students south to Fleet. In the rezoning round for Reed, the re-balancing will have to involve either tentacles reaching east or school swap (or both), Fleet is not in play. Obviously the board and staff do not want to send students across 50 to Fleet, thus the swap plan.

I've had more than enough of people claiming Fleet to alleviate the north's problems. "Fleet" was supposed to be built to help problems in the south back when Discovery got built with the bond money instead. There - there's your "Fleet" solution to the north's problems. And THIS Fleet was to resolve overcrowding in SOUTH arlington. So stop tromping all over the south - putting it down, calling MC southies hypocrites, trashing our schools, etc. but using us when it suits you. You want the north/south divide, you got it. For decades you've reinforced the north/south divide to keep your ivory towers polished and the brown tarnish out, so now live with it and the consequences it creates for yourselves.

Damn, feeling a bit triggered? For the record, I haven't been here for decades making policy decisions and I doubt you have either. I don't know why we continue to pretend that 50 is an uncrossable chasm, seems like that would perpetuate the divide that you claim to hate. We're here now, do you want things to change or not?

Oh, come on. I'm a Nottingham parent so I don't have a dog in this fight, but this is a bit rich.