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Anonymous wrote:WHY, WHY, WHY didn't anyone in the community respond to the wife's multiple pleas for help?

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/radnor-murder-suicide-meredith-chapman-jennair-gerardot-love-triangle-next-door-pennsylvania-20180425.html

She was clearly crying out for anyone to listen and no one replied. This is tragic for the entire community -- a lost life, a lost light.

It could happen to any one of us. We all think we know what we'd do in that circumstance but until you get there, you do not know. She was crying out for help just last month.

Ok You went a little too far with the "it could happen to any one of us".

Bullshit! It could never happen to me. You do not give up on life because of a failed marriage. I do not. I have my children and the rest of family to enjoy on this earth.

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Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why they are doing things like doing to dinner and dog walks and living as husband and wife when he has been cheating on her and they are about to get divorced. Just leave!

The whole situation is 3 unstable people. The only decent one seems like Meredith's exh who told the wife to stop bugging him.

He was unsure about Meredith in reality. He tried to talk Jennair into staying nearby, and didn't want the divorce until she kept sewing recording devices into his jacket. He'd lie and say he wasn't going to call or see Meredith yet she was catching him over and over. They had a big fight where he said he wanted to divorce. I think if she got her act together he wouldn't have divorced her. He wanted to have dinners etc. and commented what a great cook she was. Too bad she didn't focus on herself and get a job. In no time it would have been over with Meredith. Regardless he was horrible.

The bolded is pretty shocking. If a man did this, DCUM would call him an abusive and controlling monster.

Yet he was the one cheating, and telling her he wasn't. He was the one who agreed to go to couples counseling. He lied so much she resorted to getting proof. Yes maybe overboard, but still I'm going to blame the liar and cheater versus the one that catches the creep.

She had more than enough proof. She was trying to force/beg her way into a marriage that was over. You cannot force someone to be married to you. She planned all of this meticulously. She even took shooting classes. Cheating is horrible, but it comes no where close to what she did. And she was very intentional, not an impulsive act.

Jennair was crazier than crazy and had a very long time to take herself off of that road and build a new life. I feel sorry for her but having listened to a bit of that podcast, I can’t quite believe other adults feel like her actions were kind of justified. Meredith could have been a cuter version of Satan, who cares?? Jennair *helped* drive *herself* insane - she was like the Ingmar Bergman of self-pity with her sorrow videos! A stalker with the recording devices, AFTER she had total proof her husband lied repeatedly! And she took shooting lessons. Like, damn. Isn’t there a limit to the pity we should have for her?

If I were to pick one out of three....Jennair is the only one I would feel pity for.

Anonymous wrote:I think these Cluster B types tend to find and align with each other. Doesn’t seem to ever end well. The garden variety sociopathic cheater guy aligns with the histrionic bpd like woman whom he can control because she will never willingly leave because she fears being abandoned. But what cheater guy didn’t take into account in this case is that she had no brakes for her crazy. The two cheaters kept pushing the wife on and on further down the road of crazy, and the wife, not being normal or having normal coping skills, spiraled down, down into the depths of utter crazy oblivion.

So what I learned from this story is: (1) take note of how people behave; if they act like Cluster B in any fashion stay far away, (2) there are many reasons not to have an affair; this is yet another one, and (3) appreciate the normal, sane and somewhat boring people in your life. What they lack in excitement they more than make up by not being likely to cheat, gaslight and/or stalk and attack you.

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Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why they are doing things like doing to dinner and dog walks and living as husband and wife when he has been cheating on her and they are about to get divorced. Just leave!

The whole situation is 3 unstable people. The only decent one seems like Meredith's exh who told the wife to stop bugging him.

He was unsure about Meredith in reality. He tried to talk Jennair into staying nearby, and didn't want the divorce until she kept sewing recording devices into his jacket. He'd lie and say he wasn't going to call or see Meredith yet she was catching him over and over. They had a big fight where he said he wanted to divorce. I think if she got her act together he wouldn't have divorced her. He wanted to have dinners etc. and commented what a great cook she was. Too bad she didn't focus on herself and get a job. In no time it would have been over with Meredith. Regardless he was horrible.

The bolded is pretty shocking. If a man did this, DCUM would call him an abusive and controlling monster.

Yet he was the one cheating, and telling her he wasn't. He was the one who agreed to go to couples counseling. He lied so much she resorted to getting proof. Yes maybe overboard, but still I'm going to blame the liar and cheater versus the one that catches the creep.

She had more than enough proof. She was trying to force/beg her way into a marriage that was over. You cannot force someone to be married to you. She planned all of this meticulously. She even took shooting classes. Cheating is horrible, but it comes no where close to what she did. And she was very intentional, not an impulsive act.

Jennair was crazier than crazy and had a very long time to take herself off of that road and build a new life. I feel sorry for her but having listened to a bit of that podcast, I can’t quite believe other adults feel like her actions were kind of justified. Meredith could have been a cuter version of Satan, who cares?? Jennair *helped* drive *herself* insane - she was like the Ingmar Bergman of self-pity with her sorrow videos! A stalker with the recording devices, AFTER she had total proof her husband lied repeatedly! And she took shooting lessons. Like, damn. Isn’t there a limit to the pity we should have for her?

If I were to pick one out of three....Jennair is the only one I would feel pity for.

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Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why they are doing things like doing to dinner and dog walks and living as husband and wife when he has been cheating on her and they are about to get divorced. Just leave!

The whole situation is 3 unstable people. The only decent one seems like Meredith's exh who told the wife to stop bugging him.

He was unsure about Meredith in reality. He tried to talk Jennair into staying nearby, and didn't want the divorce until she kept sewing recording devices into his jacket. He'd lie and say he wasn't going to call or see Meredith yet she was catching him over and over. They had a big fight where he said he wanted to divorce. I think if she got her act together he wouldn't have divorced her. He wanted to have dinners etc. and commented what a great cook she was. Too bad she didn't focus on herself and get a job. In no time it would have been over with Meredith. Regardless he was horrible.

The bolded is pretty shocking. If a man did this, DCUM would call him an abusive and controlling monster.

Yet he was the one cheating, and telling her he wasn't. He was the one who agreed to go to couples counseling. He lied so much she resorted to getting proof. Yes maybe overboard, but still I'm going to blame the liar and cheater versus the one that catches the creep.

She had more than enough proof. She was trying to force/beg her way into a marriage that was over. You cannot force someone to be married to you. She planned all of this meticulously. She even took shooting classes. Cheating is horrible, but it comes no where close to what she did. And she was very intentional, not an impulsive act.

Jennair was crazier than crazy and had a very long time to take herself off of that road and build a new life. I feel sorry for her but having listened to a bit of that podcast, I can’t quite believe other adults feel like her actions were kind of justified. Meredith could have been a cuter version of Satan, who cares?? Jennair *helped* drive *herself* insane - she was like the Ingmar Bergman of self-pity with her sorrow videos! A stalker with the recording devices, AFTER she had total proof her husband lied repeatedly! And she took shooting lessons. Like, damn. Isn’t there a limit to the pity we should have for her?

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Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why they are doing things like doing to dinner and dog walks and living as husband and wife when he has been cheating on her and they are about to get divorced. Just leave!

The whole situation is 3 unstable people. The only decent one seems like Meredith's exh who told the wife to stop bugging him.

He was unsure about Meredith in reality. He tried to talk Jennair into staying nearby, and didn't want the divorce until she kept sewing recording devices into his jacket. He'd lie and say he wasn't going to call or see Meredith yet she was catching him over and over. They had a big fight where he said he wanted to divorce. I think if she got her act together he wouldn't have divorced her. He wanted to have dinners etc. and commented what a great cook she was. Too bad she didn't focus on herself and get a job. In no time it would have been over with Meredith. Regardless he was horrible.

The bolded is pretty shocking. If a man did this, DCUM would call him an abusive and controlling monster.

Yet he was the one cheating, and telling her he wasn't. He was the one who agreed to go to couples counseling. He lied so much she resorted to getting proof. Yes maybe overboard, but still I'm going to blame the liar and cheater versus the one that catches the creep.

She had more than enough proof. She was trying to force/beg her way into a marriage that was over. You cannot force someone to be married to you. She planned all of this meticulously. She even took shooting classes. Cheating is horrible, but it comes no where close to what she did. And she was very intentional, not an impulsive act.

By, no means--none at all, condoning what she did.

But, don't cheat. If you don't want to greatly lessen the possibility of a crazy person coming after you or your family: don't mess with theirs. Period. Done.

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Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why they are doing things like doing to dinner and dog walks and living as husband and wife when he has been cheating on her and they are about to get divorced. Just leave!

The whole situation is 3 unstable people. The only decent one seems like Meredith's exh who told the wife to stop bugging him.

He was unsure about Meredith in reality. He tried to talk Jennair into staying nearby, and didn't want the divorce until she kept sewing recording devices into his jacket. He'd lie and say he wasn't going to call or see Meredith yet she was catching him over and over. They had a big fight where he said he wanted to divorce. I think if she got her act together he wouldn't have divorced her. He wanted to have dinners etc. and commented what a great cook she was. Too bad she didn't focus on herself and get a job. In no time it would have been over with Meredith. Regardless he was horrible.

The bolded is pretty shocking. If a man did this, DCUM would call him an abusive and controlling monster.

Yet he was the one cheating, and telling her he wasn't. He was the one who agreed to go to couples counseling. He lied so much she resorted to getting proof. Yes maybe overboard, but still I'm going to blame the liar and cheater versus the one that catches the creep.

She had more than enough proof. She was trying to force/beg her way into a marriage that was over. You cannot force someone to be married to you. She planned all of this meticulously. She even took shooting classes. Cheating is horrible, but it comes no where close to what she did. And she was very intentional, not an impulsive act.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading this thread today I searched and listened to a couple of episodes of the podcast Bad Bad Thing. The final episode is an interview between the podcast host, a psychologist/psychotherapist and Mark Gerardot. It was very interesting and shed more light on things. Most noteworthy is that he clearly lives in serious grief over the events and has made an effort, at no benefit to himself (he hasn’t received any funds for his appearances and everything he receives from the book he wrote goes to charity) to raise awareness about suicide prevention and the impact on spousal mental health of infidelity. He’s released a lot of material Jennair left behind - a letter to her family and various recordings he made - revealing that she chose to kill Meredith and herself instead of him so that he would spend the rest of his life in pain over his actions. Apparently, he is.

Again I don’t condone Jennair’s actions. But she met him as a teenager and he and their marriage was her entire adult life. He lacked empathy in how he handled the situation in asking for a divorce - strung her along pretty cruelly - and she was suffering physical and mental health issues, was recently unemployed and consequently feeling devalued in general, and he’d moved her far from friends and family. It isn’t a surprise that she snapped and plotted the murder-suicide.

Yes that was my point. She had a lot of horrible things hit her at once including health issues. Again it's easy for us to say we would have done this or that, but having a nervous break down doesn't make for clear thinking.

The horrible OW on the other hand had many warning signs to leave them alone. She had no excuse to continue her bullying, and interference in their marriage. It was clear early on it could be a dangerous situation. I mean once she was fired she should have realized her life was being impacted by her horrible choices, same with Mark.

When someone interjects themselves into someones family they should assume there could be consequences.

Oh please. The least selfish person here is actually the OW. She was an asshole, but she had no obligation to the murderer. She did not deserve to die for "interjecting" herself into a pretend family. The murderer and her husband deserved each other. She should have taken him with her instead of killing the OW and letting the husband live the rest of his life peacefully(and yes, I would rather live in "regret" as he is now than die the "victim" of a cheating spouse).

I think everyone agrees it shouldn't have come to murder, nor did Meredith deserve her life to be taken. However, Jennair didn't deserve to have her life destroyed as well.

They weren't a "pretend" family, and were married 24 years. From reading the book about the murder like all marriages there were some hard times, but overall they had a good marriage.

Still Meredith's role as boss, and knowing he was married demonstrated she was a pretty rotten person. After Meredith was fired she should have ghosted Mark completely, and gotten therapy. Not to see those warning signs didn't speak well of her intelligence either.

I agree. I'd rather live a good life which is the best revenge...but once again if you listen to that last week of recordings from Jeannair she was having a nervous breakdown. She wasn't thinking rational, otherwise she wouldn't have done what she did. When one decides to mess with someone's family, and finances often there are repercussions. I guess the mindset of a cheater is another form of mental instability. Apparently, all 3 were suffering from something...

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Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why they are doing things like doing to dinner and dog walks and living as husband and wife when he has been cheating on her and they are about to get divorced. Just leave!

The whole situation is 3 unstable people. The only decent one seems like Meredith's exh who told the wife to stop bugging him.

He was unsure about Meredith in reality. He tried to talk Jennair into staying nearby, and didn't want the divorce until she kept sewing recording devices into his jacket. He'd lie and say he wasn't going to call or see Meredith yet she was catching him over and over. They had a big fight where he said he wanted to divorce. I think if she got her act together he wouldn't have divorced her. He wanted to have dinners etc. and commented what a great cook she was. Too bad she didn't focus on herself and get a job. In no time it would have been over with Meredith. Regardless he was horrible.

The bolded is pretty shocking. If a man did this, DCUM would call him an abusive and controlling monster.

Yet he was the one cheating, and telling her he wasn't. He was the one who agreed to go to couples counseling. He lied so much she resorted to getting proof. Yes maybe overboard, but still I'm going to blame the liar and cheater versus the one that catches the creep.

She had more than enough proof. She was trying to force/beg her way into a marriage that was over. You cannot force someone to be married to you. She planned all of this meticulously. She even took shooting classes. Cheating is horrible, but it comes no where close to what she did. And she was very intentional, not an impulsive act.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading this thread today I searched and listened to a couple of episodes of the podcast Bad Bad Thing. The final episode is an interview between the podcast host, a psychologist/psychotherapist and Mark Gerardot. It was very interesting and shed more light on things. Most noteworthy is that he clearly lives in serious grief over the events and has made an effort, at no benefit to himself (he hasn’t received any funds for his appearances and everything he receives from the book he wrote goes to charity) to raise awareness about suicide prevention and the impact on spousal mental health of infidelity. He’s released a lot of material Jennair left behind - a letter to her family and various recordings he made - revealing that she chose to kill Meredith and herself instead of him so that he would spend the rest of his life in pain over his actions. Apparently, he is.

Again I don’t condone Jennair’s actions. But she met him as a teenager and he and their marriage was her entire adult life. He lacked empathy in how he handled the situation in asking for a divorce - strung her along pretty cruelly - and she was suffering physical and mental health issues, was recently unemployed and consequently feeling devalued in general, and he’d moved her far from friends and family. It isn’t a surprise that she snapped and plotted the murder-suicide.

Yes that was my point. She had a lot of horrible things hit her at once including health issues. Again it's easy for us to say we would have done this or that, but having a nervous break down doesn't make for clear thinking.

The horrible OW on the other hand had many warning signs to leave them alone. She had no excuse to continue her bullying, and interference in their marriage. It was clear early on it could be a dangerous situation. I mean once she was fired she should have realized her life was being impacted by her horrible choices, same with Mark.

When someone interjects themselves into someones family they should assume there could be consequences.

Oh please. The least selfish person here is actually the OW. She was an asshole, but she had no obligation to the murderer. She did not deserve to die for "interjecting" herself into a pretend family. The murderer and her husband deserved each other. She should have taken him with her instead of killing the OW and letting the husband live the rest of his life peacefully(and yes, I would rather live in "regret" as he is now than die the "victim" of a cheating spouse).

I think everyone agrees it shouldn't have come to murder, nor did Meredith deserve her life to be taken. However, Jennair didn't deserve to have her life destroyed as well.

They weren't a "pretend" family, and were married 24 years. From reading the book about the murder like all marriages there were some hard times, but overall they had a good marriage.

Still Meredith's role as boss, and knowing he was married demonstrated she was a pretty rotten person. After Meredith was fired she should have ghosted Mark completely, and gotten therapy. Not to see those warning signs didn't speak well of her intelligence either.

I agree. I'd rather live a good life which is the best revenge...but once again if you listen to that last week of recordings from Jeannair she was having a nervous breakdown. She wasn't thinking rational, otherwise she wouldn't have done what she did. When one decides to mess with someone's family, and finances often there are repercussions. I guess the mindset of a cheater is another form of mental instability. Apparently, all 3 were suffering from something...

These bolded statements are so different that they should not be in the same paragraph. One is a gross exaggeration(a marriage is not a life), and the other is pretty much the worst thing that can happen to a living being(death), human or otherwise.

This murderer's life was not destroyed because some loser was going to leave her. Her marriage was destroyed. Marriage is not life. It's not even close. And she let the person who made her those marriage promises live ...
This woman is a monster.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading this thread today I searched and listened to a couple of episodes of the podcast Bad Bad Thing. The final episode is an interview between the podcast host, a psychologist/psychotherapist and Mark Gerardot. It was very interesting and shed more light on things. Most noteworthy is that he clearly lives in serious grief over the events and has made an effort, at no benefit to himself (he hasn’t received any funds for his appearances and everything he receives from the book he wrote goes to charity) to raise awareness about suicide prevention and the impact on spousal mental health of infidelity. He’s released a lot of material Jennair left behind - a letter to her family and various recordings he made - revealing that she chose to kill Meredith and herself instead of him so that he would spend the rest of his life in pain over his actions. Apparently, he is.

Again I don’t condone Jennair’s actions. But she met him as a teenager and he and their marriage was her entire adult life. He lacked empathy in how he handled the situation in asking for a divorce - strung her along pretty cruelly - and she was suffering physical and mental health issues, was recently unemployed and consequently feeling devalued in general, and he’d moved her far from friends and family. It isn’t a surprise that she snapped and plotted the murder-suicide.

Yes that was my point. She had a lot of horrible things hit her at once including health issues. Again it's easy for us to say we would have done this or that, but having a nervous break down doesn't make for clear thinking.

The horrible OW on the other hand had many warning signs to leave them alone. She had no excuse to continue her bullying, and interference in their marriage. It was clear early on it could be a dangerous situation. I mean once she was fired she should have realized her life was being impacted by her horrible choices, same with Mark.

When someone interjects themselves into someones family they should assume there could be consequences.

Oh please. The least selfish person here is actually the OW. She was an asshole, but she had no obligation to the murderer. She did not deserve to die for "interjecting" herself into a pretend family. The murderer and her husband deserved each other. She should have taken him with her instead of killing the OW and letting the husband live the rest of his life peacefully(and yes, I would rather live in "regret" as he is now than die the "victim" of a cheating spouse).

I think everyone agrees it shouldn't have come to murder, nor did Meredith deserve her life to be taken. However, Jennair didn't deserve to have her life destroyed as well.

They weren't a "pretend" family, and were married 24 years. From reading the book about the murder like all marriages there were some hard times, but overall they had a good marriage.

Still Meredith's role as boss, and knowing he was married demonstrated she was a pretty rotten person. After Meredith was fired she should have ghosted Mark completely, and gotten therapy. Not to see those warning signs didn't speak well of her intelligence either.

I agree. I'd rather live a good life which is the best revenge...but once again if you listen to that last week of recordings from Jeannair she was having a nervous breakdown. She wasn't thinking rational, otherwise she wouldn't have done what she did. When one decides to mess with someone's family, and finances often there are repercussions. I guess the mindset of a cheater is another form of mental instability. Apparently, all 3 were suffering from something...