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Anonymous wrote:Chicago if your kid is an intellectual who enjoys hanging around super smart kids and discussing a wide range of topics. Also id he or she intends to go to graduate or medical or law school. If your kid is smart, outgoing, hangs out with kids who enjoy social
Activities. UVA is a better choice.

Do many Chicago kids feed into US medical and t14 law schools? Both require top gpa, which is near impossible at UC. Bottom 50% at UC are smart as hell but have low gpas compared to the 3.8 3.9 4.0 kids at Ivies LACs and public Us.

Someone posted above the medical school acceptance rate of approximately 80% for UChicago, consistent with other top schools in the country including top LAC's. The average medical acceptance rate hovers around 40%.

Well, I googled "medical school acceptance rate for UVA" and got 95%. University of Virginia medical school acceptance rate
Since its inception in 2006, the Post-Bac Pre-Med Program has a 95 percent acceptance rate to medical schools across the nation. Here are some of the medical schools that have accepted our graduates: Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University. Boston University.

That’s a selective program for people who got BAs (anywhere) without planning to go to med school and who now need to retrofit the necessary pre-med courses into their education. It’s not any indication of how successful UVA BAs are wrt med school admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:Chicago if your kid is an intellectual who enjoys hanging around super smart kids and discussing a wide range of topics. Also id he or she intends to go to graduate or medical or law school. If your kid is smart, outgoing, hangs out with kids who enjoy social
Activities. UVA is a better choice.

Do many Chicago kids feed into US medical and t14 law schools? Both require top gpa, which is near impossible at UC. Bottom 50% at UC are smart as hell but have low gpas compared to the 3.8 3.9 4.0 kids at Ivies LACs and public Us.

Someone posted above the medical school acceptance rate of approximately 80% for UChicago, consistent with other top schools in the country including top LAC's. The average medical acceptance rate hovers around 40%.

Well, I googled "medical school acceptance rate for UVA" and got 95%. University of Virginia medical school acceptance rate
Since its inception in 2006, the Post-Bac Pre-Med Program has a 95 percent acceptance rate to medical schools across the nation. Here are some of the medical schools that have accepted our graduates: Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University. Boston University.

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Anonymous wrote:Chicago if your kid is an intellectual who enjoys hanging around super smart kids and discussing a wide range of topics. Also id he or she intends to go to graduate or medical or law school. If your kid is smart, outgoing, hangs out with kids who enjoy social
Activities. UVA is a better choice.

Do many Chicago kids feed into US medical and t14 law schools? Both require top gpa, which is near impossible at UC. Bottom 50% at UC are smart as hell but have low gpas compared to the 3.8 3.9 4.0 kids at Ivies LACs and public Us.

Someone posted above the medical school acceptance rate of approximately 80% for UChicago, consistent with other top schools in the country including top LAC's. The average medical acceptance rate hovers around 40%.

Anonymous wrote:Chicago if your kid is an intellectual who enjoys hanging around super smart kids and discussing a wide range of topics. Also id he or she intends to go to graduate or medical or law school. If your kid is smart, outgoing, hangs out with kids who enjoy social
Activities. UVA is a better choice.

Do many Chicago kids feed into US medical and t14 law schools? Both require top gpa, which is near impossible at UC. Bottom 50% at UC are smart as hell but have low gpas compared to the 3.8 3.9 4.0 kids at Ivies LACs and public Us.

Chicago if your kid is an intellectual who enjoys hanging around super smart kids and discussing a wide range of topics. Also id he or she intends to go to graduate or medical or law school. If your kid is smart, outgoing, hangs out with kids who enjoy social
Activities. UVA is a better choice.

My UofC kid was offered a TA job w/o providing a transcript. Prof with whom DC had taken the course asked DC to do it, so he knew DC and DC’s ability in that context. Presumably he didn’t care about DC’s grades in other classes. Similar deal with a lab position (based on a proposal and a prior project with a different prof). Applications for internships may have involved unofficial transcripts and/or related courses and overall GPA listed on CV or application form. DC has good grades so not sure, in that context, the extent to which that translated into opportunities (vs match between DC’s interest and a PI willing to take on a mentorship role).

Not really sure this stuff is resume building per se. Grad school will depend on recs. PhD programs do not care if you have no teaching experience coming in. Research experience will matter, but again, more as the basis for a recommendation than as work experience per se. And senior thesis could matter as much/more than lab assistance gig.

I guess it’s all so intertwined that I find it hard to see GPA as determinative. I do know that as a prof doing graduate admissions (PhD in non STEM field), recs/undergrad schools and mentors/statement of interest/writing samples were what I paid attention to. Being an excellent student isn't always a good predictor of being a good researcher (or teacher, for that matter).

Presumably some employers with an abundance of applicants for entry level jobs to be filled by BAs use GPAs to decide who gets an interview. But most are not just going to hire the applicant with the highest grades — you interview to see who seems capable, motivated, likely to be a good colleague in a particular work environment. And if you do on-campus interviews and aren’t oversubscribed, wouldn’t you just look at everyone who expressed interest?

Anonymous wrote:Law school, med school, and PhD programs (to a lesser extent) care about GPA as, apparently, do some Wall Street
employers. Not sure the rest of the world gives a damn.

Where the “bottom 20%” of a group of smart and well-educated kids ends up will depend on how they spent their time, what skills they have, what they are interested in, and how they present themselves. Politics/government/non-profits, arts, journalism, social services, real estate, and marketing are some examples of fields where GPA is not going to be seen as a good predictor of job performance/aptitude.

Here’s a big picture summary UChicago puts out re where it’s graduates end up:
http://collegeadmissions.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/uploads/pdfs/uchicago-class-of-2016-outcomes.pdf

I noticed with my D, not at UChicago, certain campus jobs even from first yr on require a transcript, e.g., peer tutoring, lab assistant, TA. I suspect there are more on and off-campus opportunities requiring a transcript. These are resume building positions and somehow translate to more or less opportunities after college.

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Anonymous wrote:Forbes America's Best Value Colleges 2018:

#21 University of Virginia

#74 University of Chicago

Best value rankings are meaningless because different students pay different amounts at these colleges. For a poor kid who gets admitted to both schools Chicago will be a much better value because it will be free but for a full pay student the value will be very different. Using the avg net cost at different schools is truly misleading here

The ranking probably is geared to Forbes demographics, so may not be important to you. USNews ranking seems important to UC people

No. I understand the importance of a value ranking, but unless you are the student who will have both the average net cost and the average net debt that Forbes uses in it's ranking, the ROI doesn't apply to you because your particular ROI and hence your value ranking for different colleges will be radically different.

This is the problem with all output based rankings. If you land up as a teacher vs a banker, your salary is also going to be different. If Forbes had done a ranking where you could have entered your EFC, net debt and major for a customized ranking, it would have been relevant.

The input based rankings like USNews have many flaws also, but at least their ranking applies equally to all applicants/students because input based measures don't change based on individual student circumstances. That's just the fact. School choice should be made based on criteria other than rankings in my opinion

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Forbes America's Best Value Colleges 2018:

#21 University of Virginia

#74 University of Chicago

Best value rankings are meaningless because different students pay different amounts at these colleges. For a poor kid who gets admitted to both schools Chicago will be a much better value because it will be free but for a full pay student the value will be very different. Using the avg net cost at different schools is truly misleading here

The ranking probably is geared to Forbes demographics, so may not be important to you. USNews ranking seems important to UC people

Anonymous wrote:Forbes America's Best Value Colleges 2018:

#21 University of Virginia

#74 University of Chicago

Best value rankings are meaningless because different students pay different amounts at these colleges. For a poor kid who gets admitted to both schools Chicago will be a much better value because it will be free but for a full pay student the value will be very different. Using the avg net cost at different schools is truly misleading here

https://www.forbes.com/best-value-colleges/#7d3098fd245b


Forbes America's Best Value Colleges 2018:

#21 University of Virginia

#74 University of Chicago

Forbes America's Best Value Colleges 2018:

#21 University of Virginia

#74 University of Chicago

Anonymous wrote:Law school, med school, and PhD programs (to a lesser extent) care about GPA as, apparently, do some Wall Street
employers. Not sure the rest of the world gives a damn.

Where the “bottom 20%” of a group of smart and well-educated kids ends up will depend on how they spent their time, what skills they have, what they are interested in, and how they present themselves. Politics/government/non-profits, arts, journalism, social services, real estate, and marketing are some examples of fields where GPA is not going to be seen as a good predictor of job performance/aptitude.

Here’s a big picture summary UChicago puts out re where it’s graduates end up:
http://collegeadmissions.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/uploads/pdfs/uchicago-class-of-2016-outcomes.pdf

My D will be attending UChicago this fall and we just received the Class of 2015 outcomes in the mail. In that class, 88% who applied to med school were accepted vs. 82% in class of 2016. Not sure why they didn't send the most recent outcomes but maybe 2015 was a stronger year.

Law school, med school, and PhD programs (to a lesser extent) care about GPA as, apparently, do some Wall Street
employers. Not sure the rest of the world gives a damn.

Where the “bottom 20%” of a group of smart and well-educated kids ends up will depend on how they spent their time, what skills they have, what they are interested in, and how they present themselves. Politics/government/non-profits, arts, journalism, social services, real estate, and marketing are some examples of fields where GPA is not going to be seen as a good predictor of job performance/aptitude.

Here’s a big picture summary UChicago puts out re where it’s graduates end up:
http://collegeadmissions.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/uploads/pdfs/uchicago-class-of-2016-outcomes.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom 20% at HYP still end up with a respectable 3.3 gpa and have the powerful Ivy brand.

Where do they end up though?

Chicago is not HYP. Nor an Ivy.

I'm not asking about Chicago. I'm asking about HYP. 3.2 at a school where 75% make all As is not good. Where do they end up?