Anonymous wrote:The athletic director has resigned.

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2018/01/michigan_state_athletic_direct_12.html

Anonymous wrote:This story adds a lot of detail. Nasser was the "good guy" counterpart to an abusive coach. People complained and were dismissed.

http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/22046031

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Anonymous wrote:It irritates me when people have this fantasy that pedophiles ‘get it’ in prison. I think it’s a misplaced fantasy that doesn’t really happen.

And when a crazed judge is explicitly calling for it, while the public cheers, there is something wrong with the culture as a whole.

Please provide that quote.

Crickets from our pig poster?

I think you should do yourself a favor and find something else to do today.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, pp.

But if a man stuck his fingers inside me, I would have told my parents as soon as I had a chance. Even if they couldn't make calls from camp (which should have been a red flag to parents---and certainly would have precluded me from sending my child there), they could have (and should have) told their parents at some point. If they did tell their parents and they ignored them, then their parents were complicit on some level.

I don't recall which girl it was (I think she was blonde), but she said she didn't realize she was victimized until she heard one of the others come forward. What does that mean? She didn't realize being fingered by a doctor was assault until
someone else came forward as an adult? That's odd.

You have no idea what you would have done as a child. You're looking at the situation through an adult lens. I watched 20/20 last night and one of the women said that pain and discomfort was part of gymnastics. There were a lot of things about it she didn't enjoy and she trusted her doctor and coaches. These girls were taught to suck it up, work through it and don't complain or there would be another girl happy to take your place.

My sister trained with Dominique Dawes and was actually better than she was, but my parents pulled her out of gymnastics once they realized the craziness of the system. They pushed the kids too hard and had no concern for their wellbeing. They forced them to push through pain and injuries. Any normal parent who loved their child wouldn't let them pursue it at that level.

The fact that these girls suffered injuries and were forced to push through is a red flag. What's the point? Olympics? Who cares. Where are any of those gymnasts now? There's no real fortune that comes with it, and the fame is fleeting. But the lifelong chronic pain stays with you. And now there's the PTSD from sexual assault.

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Anonymous wrote:It irritates me when people have this fantasy that pedophiles ‘get it’ in prison. I think it’s a misplaced fantasy that doesn’t really happen.

And when a crazed judge is explicitly calling for it, while the public cheers, there is something wrong with the culture as a whole.

Please provide that quote.

Crickets from our pig poster?

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Anonymous wrote:It irritates me when people have this fantasy that pedophiles ‘get it’ in prison. I think it’s a misplaced fantasy that doesn’t really happen.

And when a crazed judge is explicitly calling for it, while the public cheers, there is something wrong with the culture as a whole.

Please provide that quote.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, pp.

But if a man stuck his fingers inside me, I would have told my parents as soon as I had a chance. Even if they couldn't make calls from camp (which should have been a red flag to parents---and certainly would have precluded me from sending my child there), they could have (and should have) told their parents at some point. If they did tell their parents and they ignored them, then their parents were complicit on some level.

I don't recall which girl it was (I think she was blonde), but she said she didn't realize she was victimized until she heard one of the others come forward. What does that mean? She didn't realize being fingered by a doctor was assault until
someone else came forward as an adult? That's odd.

You have no idea what you would have done as a child. You're looking at the situation through an adult lens. I watched 20/20 last night and one of the women said that pain and discomfort was part of gymnastics. There were a lot of things about it she didn't enjoy and she trusted her doctor and coaches. These girls were taught to suck it up, work through it and don't complain or there would be another girl happy to take your place.

My sister trained with Dominique Dawes and was actually better than she was, but my parents pulled her out of gymnastics once they realized the craziness of the system. They pushed the kids too hard and had no concern for their wellbeing. They forced them to push through pain and injuries. Any normal parent who loved their child wouldn't let them pursue it at that level.

The fact that these girls suffered injuries and were forced to push through is a red flag. What's the point? Olympics? Who cares. Where are any of those gymnasts now? There's no real fortune that comes with it, and the fame is fleeting. But the lifelong chronic pain stays with you. And now there's the PTSD from sexual assault.

I’d be careful about sharing such personal information on an anonymous message board. If your sis was really better than Dawes it wouldn’t be that hard to figure out who she is.

For many gymnasts the goal is collegiate gymnastics, BTW. But I’m sure you knew that.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, pp.

But if a man stuck his fingers inside me, I would have told my parents as soon as I had a chance. Even if they couldn't make calls from camp (which should have been a red flag to parents---and certainly would have precluded me from sending my child there), they could have (and should have) told their parents at some point. If they did tell their parents and they ignored them, then their parents were complicit on some level.

I don't recall which girl it was (I think she was blonde), but she said she didn't realize she was victimized until she heard one of the others come forward. What does that mean? She didn't realize being fingered by a doctor was assault until
someone else came forward as an adult? That's odd.

You have no idea what you would have done as a child. You're looking at the situation through an adult lens. I watched 20/20 last night and one of the women said that pain and discomfort was part of gymnastics. There were a lot of things about it she didn't enjoy and she trusted her doctor and coaches. These girls were taught to suck it up, work through it and don't complain or there would be another girl happy to take your place.

My sister trained with Dominique Dawes and was actually better than she was, but my parents pulled her out of gymnastics once they realized the craziness of the system. They pushed the kids too hard and had no concern for their wellbeing. They forced them to push through pain and injuries. Any normal parent who loved their child wouldn't let them pursue it at that level.

The fact that these girls suffered injuries and were forced to push through is a red flag. What's the point? Olympics? Who cares. Where are any of those gymnasts now? There's no real fortune that comes with it, and the fame is fleeting. But the lifelong chronic pain stays with you. And now there's the PTSD from sexual assault.

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Anonymous wrote: Front page of the Detroit Free Press today:

"This [MSU] is not Penn State. It is worse."

We should show up in droves to protest Maryland hosting the upcoming MSU vs Maryland basketball game... carrying signs with the above quote and other forceful statements. I'm sure it would make a major impact with all tv the media and all.

How about it, y'all? Demand a complete housecleaning of all those who covered for the bastard and those who kept quiet, knowing that hundreds of girls were getting vaginally and rectally violated during required "treatments" by a brutal rapist employed by MSU and USA Gymnastics.

These young women who endured this kind of repeated assault deserve our support. It's the least we can do. Enough is enough.

You do realize that the kids who are currently at the school have nothing to do with this, right? Nor do the Maryland kids, or their fans who will largely outnumber the MSU fans given that the game is in College Park. But you want to show up and disrupt their basketball game to get media coverage? Are you going to protest all USAG gymnastics meets, too? This is all over the news - not sure what you think protesting would accomplish that isn't already happening. MSU and USAG are getting eviscerated in the press. No question the people involved (once it's determined who they are) and the institutions need to be accountable, but you can support the girls who endured this without taking it out on people who have nothing to do with this mess.

The survivors have already identified (under oath) many of the criminal accomplices.

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Anonymous wrote: Front page of the Detroit Free Press today:

"This [MSU] is not Penn State. It is worse."

We should show up in droves to protest Maryland hosting the upcoming MSU vs Maryland basketball game... carrying signs with the above quote and other forceful statements. I'm sure it would make a major impact with all tv the media and all.

How about it, y'all? Demand a complete housecleaning of all those who covered for the bastard and those who kept quiet, knowing that hundreds of girls were getting vaginally and rectally violated during required "treatments" by a brutal rapist employed by MSU and USA Gymnastics.

These young women who endured this kind of repeated assault deserve our support. It's the least we can do. Enough is enough.

You do realize that the kids who are currently at the school have nothing to do with this, right? Nor do the Maryland kids, or their fans who will largely outnumber the MSU fans given that the game is in College Park. But you want to show up and disrupt their basketball game to get media coverage? Are you going to protest all USAG gymnastics meets, too? This is all over the news - not sure what you think protesting would accomplish that isn't already happening. MSU and USAG are getting eviscerated in the press. No question the people involved (once it's determined who they are) and the institutions need to be accountable, but you can support the girls who endured this without taking it out on people who have nothing to do with this mess.

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Anonymous wrote:Well you are a smarter braver girl than them, I guess?


Sorry, but you have no idea what you would do as a child. To say you do, and that you would do it better, is to heap more abuse on abused girls. You do you.

I'm just stunned that these teenagers either didn't realize it was wrong or were too afraid of disappointing their parents to speak up. Hopefully this will be a learning experience for all parents and a teachable moment for all girls.

I'm also stunned by the parents' dicey behavior. Setting aside sexual assault (which I suppose wasn't on their radar), what about the regular injuries that often happen and the reputation gymnastic coaches have for pushing kids too hard? We have a handful of kids who play sports, and we never leave them unattended just in case they are injured (watching a kid carted off on a stretcher during LAX practice probably scared us into being present). I can't imagine shipping my kid off to some pressure cooker camp alone.

You are a FREGGIN pig.

These child Olympic medalists were threatened to be EXPELLED from the OLYMPICS if they spoke out.

So you think they did the right thing by keeping quiet? I hope you don't have children.

This Olympic scandal and the Hollywood scandals have underscored the failure of parents to equip their children to understand that it isn't okay for people to assault you. Is being an Olympic athlete or an actress worth being victimized? Your line of thinking points in that direction.

I think the parents played a role in all of this if their kids didn't feel comfortable telling them out of fear of disappointing them or being kicked off the team.

Again: what are you teaching your kids? That they can tell you anything, or that they need to go along with whatever their coach/casting agent says?

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, pp.

But if a man stuck his fingers inside me, I would have told my parents as soon as I had a chance. Even if they couldn't make calls from camp (which should have been a red flag to parents---and certainly would have precluded me from sending my child there), they could have (and should have) told their parents at some point. If they did tell their parents and they ignored them, then their parents were complicit on some level.

I don't recall which girl it was (I think she was blonde), but she said she didn't realize she was victimized until she heard one of the others come forward. What does that mean? She didn't realize being fingered by a doctor was assault until
someone else came forward as an adult? That's odd.

You have no idea what you would have done as a child. You're looking at the situation through an adult lens. I watched 20/20 last night and one of the women said that pain and discomfort was part of gymnastics. There were a lot of things about it she didn't enjoy and she trusted her doctor and coaches. These girls were taught to suck it up, work through it and don't complain or there would be another girl happy to take your place.

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Anonymous wrote:Well you are a smarter braver girl than them, I guess?


Sorry, but you have no idea what you would do as a child. To say you do, and that you would do it better, is to heap more abuse on abused girls. You do you.

I'm just stunned that these teenagers either didn't realize it was wrong or were too afraid of disappointing their parents to speak up. Hopefully this will be a learning experience for all parents and a teachable moment for all girls.

I'm also stunned by the parents' dicey behavior. Setting aside sexual assault (which I suppose wasn't on their radar), what about the regular injuries that often happen and the reputation gymnastic coaches have for pushing kids too hard? We have a handful of kids who play sports, and we never leave them unattended just in case they are injured (watching a kid carted off on a stretcher during LAX practice probably scared us into being present). I can't imagine shipping my kid off to some pressure cooker camp alone.

You are a FREGGIN pig.

These child Olympic medalists were threatened to be EXPELLED from the OLYMPICS if they spoke out.