Anonymous
12/28/2017 10:36
Subject: Shooting in Reston
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Unfortunately, it appears to me that the deceased woman's actions in the weeks prior to the shooting were a catalyst for what ultimately occurred. The fault is entirely the boy's, of course, since he fired the gun but it is entirely probable that a different, less antagonistic approach by the mother with the daughter and her boyfriend would have meant that both of the deceased would be alive now.
As time goes on and this case moves to prosecution we will learn more background. I will be interested in learning more about the dynamic between the two children. Most of the posts assume that the boy was the dominant figure in the relationship and that could be because he has exhibited these preferences that are so horrible, which makes him an easy target. But I wonder what compelled him to be in the house when she could just as easily have left the house?
All around it is a tragic incident and my heart breaks for the little boy who lost his parents in such a senseless act. That poor child.
+1. My thought as well.
The boy was unstable. I think if you are dealing with someone who is unstable and may have a propensity for violence, you don't act the way she did. You handle the situation quietly, maybe send your kid out of town for a while to get daughter away from the boy. You don't embarrass and humiliate the unstable person.
She knew the boy was intolerant and bigoted, that is not the equivalent of mentally ill, or close to half of Americans are unstable.
Anonymous
12/28/2017 10:35
Subject: Re:Shooting in Reston
Anonymous wrote:Funny, if this happened in NE or SE it would barely be mentioned on the news or DCUM. Looks like someone needs to check their white privilege and suburbanite card?
And if it were a white person killed in an armed robbery in DC, few would be going on about how the failure of the victim to quickly turn over their wallet led to the murder. People would be outraged at the crime, and some would be suggesting that those with choice move out.
Or imagine it was a Pakistani or Somali American, who had been influenced by ISIS.
I am white, Jewish, and live in NoVa. We can't expect parents to always make the best mental health diagnoses of their kid's friends or to figure out the best way to deal with it. We in Virginia DO need to find out how the gun was obtained, and if there was anything we can do as citizens to make gun acquisition by minors less likely. We also need to examine the extent and means of Neo Nazi radicalization of young people, and again, if there are policy levers to address it. Note, we already had a woman murdered in Charlottesville by a Neo Nazi.
Anonymous
12/28/2017 10:33
Subject: Shooting in Reston
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As provocative as all of this neo nazi stuff is, the guy shot his girlfriend's parents because they had forbidden her to see him anymore.
Good luck with this. It's the truth, but you won't get through to a lot of the folk on this board. The Mom also called his school. To him, these people were in the process of destroying the only parts of his life that brought him happiness. At 17, the neo-nazi stuff was simply a cry for help. He was playing neo-nazi because it was provocative, but not an actual neo-nazi.
Unfortunately, it appears to me that the deceased woman's actions in the weeks prior to the shooting were a catalyst for what ultimately occurred. The fault is entirely the boy's, of course, since he fired the gun but it is entirely probable that a different, less antagonistic approach by the mother with the daughter and her boyfriend would have meant that both of the deceased would be alive now.
As time goes on and this case moves to prosecution we will learn more background. I will be interested in learning more about the dynamic between the two children. Most of the posts assume that the boy was the dominant figure in the relationship and that could be because he has exhibited these preferences that are so horrible, which makes him an easy target. But I wonder what compelled him to be in the house when she could just as easily have left the house?
All around it is a tragic incident and my heart breaks for the little boy who lost his parents in such a senseless act. That poor child.
Love the armchair quarterbacks. You have no idea what happened so stop speculating.
The only thing we know for sure is this boy had access to a gun. The gun's owner is the catalyst. Without the gun it's just another bad breakup.
Exactly this. Also amazing to me how many blame the girl’s parents, most specifically the mom, but say nothing about the boy’s parents. Almost impossible they were not the best positioned to prevent this.
Anonymous
12/28/2017 10:12
Subject: Shooting in Reston
Anonymous wrote:Key point to remember for those who think the parents should not be blamed even one small amount:
According to the news Buckley Kuhn Fricker contacted the mom of the boy and let her know he was sneaking into the home. If you know the family of your son's girlfriend dissolved of him and your kid is a crazed swastika mowing Nazi and he has major mental health and behavior problems, wouldn't you keep an eye on things to make sure he doesn't show up at their house again? IMO there is negligence. Don't even get me started about the fact he got access to a gun.
No one can watch their kid 24/7. It’s pretty unfair to make judgments about parents that you know nothing about. It is very difficult to parent a child who has mental health issues.
Anonymous
12/28/2017 10:07
Subject: Shooting in Reston
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As provocative as all of this neo nazi stuff is, the guy shot his girlfriend's parents because they had forbidden her to see him anymore.
Good luck with this. It's the truth, but you won't get through to a lot of the folk on this board. The Mom also called his school. To him, these people were in the process of destroying the only parts of his life that brought him happiness. At 17, the neo-nazi stuff was simply a cry for help. He was playing neo-nazi because it was provocative, but not an actual neo-nazi.
Unfortunately, it appears to me that the deceased woman's actions in the weeks prior to the shooting were a catalyst for what ultimately occurred. The fault is entirely the boy's, of course, since he fired the gun but it is entirely probable that a different, less antagonistic approach by the mother with the daughter and her boyfriend would have meant that both of the deceased would be alive now.
As time goes on and this case moves to prosecution we will learn more background. I will be interested in learning more about the dynamic between the two children. Most of the posts assume that the boy was the dominant figure in the relationship and that could be because he has exhibited these preferences that are so horrible, which makes him an easy target. But I wonder what compelled him to be in the house when she could just as easily have left the house?
All around it is a tragic incident and my heart breaks for the little boy who lost his parents in such a senseless act. That poor child.
Love the armchair quarterbacks. You have no idea what happened so stop speculating.
The only thing we know for sure is this boy had access to a gun. The gun's owner is the catalyst. Without the gun it's just another bad breakup.
Yeah, we get it. You and the “nosy Nancy” posted knew Buckley and thought she was great. Unfortunately, it’s pretty clear that there was likely much more going on in her blended family than you knew and that she most likely mishandled a lunatic.
If anything her friends and family are less likely to see what is fairly obvious here.
I didn't know them at all.
And I'm sorry - you are blaming the dead mom who didn't want her DD to date a NeoNazi?!? WTF? Blame the mom with the gun!
Anonymous
12/28/2017 10:03
Subject: Shooting in Reston
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As provocative as all of this neo nazi stuff is, the guy shot his girlfriend's parents because they had forbidden her to see him anymore.
Good luck with this. It's the truth, but you won't get through to a lot of the folk on this board. The Mom also called his school. To him, these people were in the process of destroying the only parts of his life that brought him happiness. At 17, the neo-nazi stuff was simply a cry for help. He was playing neo-nazi because it was provocative, but not an actual neo-nazi.
Unfortunately, it appears to me that the deceased woman's actions in the weeks prior to the shooting were a catalyst for what ultimately occurred. The fault is entirely the boy's, of course, since he fired the gun but it is entirely probable that a different, less antagonistic approach by the mother with the daughter and her boyfriend would have meant that both of the deceased would be alive now.
As time goes on and this case moves to prosecution we will learn more background. I will be interested in learning more about the dynamic between the two children. Most of the posts assume that the boy was the dominant figure in the relationship and that could be because he has exhibited these preferences that are so horrible, which makes him an easy target. But I wonder what compelled him to be in the house when she could just as easily have left the house?
All around it is a tragic incident and my heart breaks for the little boy who lost his parents in such a senseless act. That poor child.
Love the armchair quarterbacks. You have no idea what happened so stop speculating.
The only thing we know for sure is this boy had access to a gun. The gun's owner is the catalyst. Without the gun it's just another bad breakup.
Yeah, we get it. You and the “nosy Nancy” posted knew Buckley and thought she was great. Unfortunately, it’s pretty clear that there was likely much more going on in her blended family than you knew and that she most likely mishandled a lunatic.
If anything her friends and family are less likely to see what is fairly obvious here.
Anonymous
12/28/2017 09:49
Subject: Shooting in Reston
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Unfortunately, it appears to me that the deceased woman's actions in the weeks prior to the shooting were a catalyst for what ultimately occurred. The fault is entirely the boy's, of course, since he fired the gun but it is entirely probable that a different, less antagonistic approach by the mother with the daughter and her boyfriend would have meant that both of the deceased would be alive now.
As time goes on and this case moves to prosecution we will learn more background. I will be interested in learning more about the dynamic between the two children. Most of the posts assume that the boy was the dominant figure in the relationship and that could be because he has exhibited these preferences that are so horrible, which makes him an easy target. But I wonder what compelled him to be in the house when she could just as easily have left the house?
All around it is a tragic incident and my heart breaks for the little boy who lost his parents in such a senseless act. That poor child.
+1. My thought as well.
The boy was unstable. I think if you are dealing with someone who is unstable and may have a propensity for violence, you don't act the way she did. You handle the situation quietly, maybe send your kid out of town for a while to get daughter away from the boy. You don't embarrass and humiliate the unstable person.
Her daughter was still going to be attending the same school as this kid. Maybe the mom was hoping that the school would expel the boy after finding out about his neo nazi beliefs.
Anonymous
12/28/2017 09:48
Subject: Re:Shooting in Reston
Funny, if this happened in NE or SE it would barely be mentioned on the news or DCUM. Looks like someone needs to check their white privilege and suburbanite card?
Anonymous
12/28/2017 09:44
Subject: Shooting in Reston
Anonymous wrote:
Unfortunately, it appears to me that the deceased woman's actions in the weeks prior to the shooting were a catalyst for what ultimately occurred. The fault is entirely the boy's, of course, since he fired the gun but it is entirely probable that a different, less antagonistic approach by the mother with the daughter and her boyfriend would have meant that both of the deceased would be alive now.
As time goes on and this case moves to prosecution we will learn more background. I will be interested in learning more about the dynamic between the two children. Most of the posts assume that the boy was the dominant figure in the relationship and that could be because he has exhibited these preferences that are so horrible, which makes him an easy target. But I wonder what compelled him to be in the house when she could just as easily have left the house?
All around it is a tragic incident and my heart breaks for the little boy who lost his parents in such a senseless act. That poor child.
+1. My thought as well.
The boy was unstable. I think if you are dealing with someone who is unstable and may have a propensity for violence, you don't act the way she did. You handle the situation quietly, maybe send your kid out of town for a while to get daughter away from the boy. You don't embarrass and humiliate the unstable person.
Anonymous
12/28/2017 09:40
Subject: Shooting in Reston
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As provocative as all of this neo nazi stuff is, the guy shot his girlfriend's parents because they had forbidden her to see him anymore.
Good luck with this. It's the truth, but you won't get through to a lot of the folk on this board. The Mom also called his school. To him, these people were in the process of destroying the only parts of his life that brought him happiness. At 17, the neo-nazi stuff was simply a cry for help. He was playing neo-nazi because it was provocative, but not an actual neo-nazi.
Unfortunately, it appears to me that the deceased woman's actions in the weeks prior to the shooting were a catalyst for what ultimately occurred. The fault is entirely the boy's, of course, since he fired the gun but it is entirely probable that a different, less antagonistic approach by the mother with the daughter and her boyfriend would have meant that both of the deceased would be alive now.
As time goes on and this case moves to prosecution we will learn more background. I will be interested in learning more about the dynamic between the two children. Most of the posts assume that the boy was the dominant figure in the relationship and that could be because he has exhibited these preferences that are so horrible, which makes him an easy target. But I wonder what compelled him to be in the house when she could just as easily have left the house?
All around it is a tragic incident and my heart breaks for the little boy who lost his parents in such a senseless act. That poor child.
Love the armchair quarterbacks. You have no idea what happened so stop speculating.
The only thing we know for sure is this boy had access to a gun. The gun's owner is the catalyst. Without the gun it's just another bad breakup.
Anonymous
12/28/2017 09:24
Subject: Shooting in Reston
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As provocative as all of this neo nazi stuff is, the guy shot his girlfriend's parents because they had forbidden her to see him anymore.
Good luck with this. It's the truth, but you won't get through to a lot of the folk on this board. The Mom also called his school. To him, these people were in the process of destroying the only parts of his life that brought him happiness. At 17, the neo-nazi stuff was simply a cry for help. He was playing neo-nazi because it was provocative, but not an actual neo-nazi.
Unfortunately, it appears to me that the deceased woman's actions in the weeks prior to the shooting were a catalyst for what ultimately occurred. The fault is entirely the boy's, of course, since he fired the gun but it is entirely probable that a different, less antagonistic approach by the mother with the daughter and her boyfriend would have meant that both of the deceased would be alive now.
As time goes on and this case moves to prosecution we will learn more background. I will be interested in learning more about the dynamic between the two children. Most of the posts assume that the boy was the dominant figure in the relationship and that could be because he has exhibited these preferences that are so horrible, which makes him an easy target. But I wonder what compelled him to be in the house when she could just as easily have left the house?
All around it is a tragic incident and my heart breaks for the little boy who lost his parents in such a senseless act. That poor child.
^^^^ YOU SURE ARE A NOSEY NANCY.!
I'm not the poster you are responding too, but I am right there with that poster. As a parent of tweens who also knew both parents I care and want to know as much as possible. I hope plenty of people can at least learn from this case something that helps us protect and care for our own children. We cannot get these lives back, but maybe somewhere a life will be saved from knowledge gained once everything is revealed.
Anonymous
12/28/2017 09:11
Subject: Shooting in Reston
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As provocative as all of this neo nazi stuff is, the guy shot his girlfriend's parents because they had forbidden her to see him anymore.
Good luck with this. It's the truth, but you won't get through to a lot of the folk on this board. The Mom also called his school. To him, these people were in the process of destroying the only parts of his life that brought him happiness. At 17, the neo-nazi stuff was simply a cry for help. He was playing neo-nazi because it was provocative, but not an actual neo-nazi.
Unfortunately, it appears to me that the deceased woman's actions in the weeks prior to the shooting were a catalyst for what ultimately occurred. The fault is entirely the boy's, of course, since he fired the gun but it is entirely probable that a different, less antagonistic approach by the mother with the daughter and her boyfriend would have meant that both of the deceased would be alive now.
As time goes on and this case moves to prosecution we will learn more background. I will be interested in learning more about the dynamic between the two children. Most of the posts assume that the boy was the dominant figure in the relationship and that could be because he has exhibited these preferences that are so horrible, which makes him an easy target. But I wonder what compelled him to be in the house when she could just as easily have left the house?
All around it is a tragic incident and my heart breaks for the little boy who lost his parents in such a senseless act. That poor child.
^^^^ YOU SURE ARE A NOSEY NANCY.!
Anonymous
12/28/2017 09:07
Subject: Re:Shooting in Reston
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
As provocative as all of this neo nazi stuff is, the guy shot his girlfriend's parents because they had forbidden her to see him anymore.
Good luck with this. It's the truth, but you won't get through to a lot of the folk on this board. The Mom also called his school. To him, these people were in the process of destroying the only parts of his life that brought him happiness. At 17, the neo-nazi stuff was simply a cry for help. He was playing neo-nazi because it was provocative, but not an actual neo-nazi.
Unfortunately, it appears to me that the deceased woman's actions in the weeks prior to the shooting were a catalyst for what ultimately occurred. The fault is entirely the boy's, of course, since he fired the gun but it is entirely probable that a different, less antagonistic approach by the mother with the daughter and her boyfriend would have meant that both of the deceased would be alive now.
As time goes on and this case moves to prosecution we will learn more background. I will be interested in learning more about the dynamic between the two children. Most of the posts assume that the boy was the dominant figure in the relationship and that could be because he has exhibited these preferences that are so horrible, which makes him an easy target. But I wonder what compelled him to be in the house when she could just as easily have left the house?
All around it is a tragic incident and my heart breaks for the little boy who lost his parents in such a senseless act. That poor child.
In the wee hours of the morning during a cold December, what are the options on where to go to have sex? Especially if he got up there by Uber or by other means?
Anonymous
12/28/2017 09:00
Subject: Shooting in Reston
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As provocative as all of this neo nazi stuff is, the guy shot his girlfriend's parents because they had forbidden her to see him anymore.
Good luck with this. It's the truth, but you won't get through to a lot of the folk on this board. The Mom also called his school. To him, these people were in the process of destroying the only parts of his life that brought him happiness. At 17, the neo-nazi stuff was simply a cry for help. He was playing neo-nazi because it was provocative, but not an actual neo-nazi.
Unfortunately, it appears to me that the deceased woman's actions in the weeks prior to the shooting were a catalyst for what ultimately occurred. The fault is entirely the boy's, of course, since he fired the gun but it is entirely probable that a different, less antagonistic approach by the mother with the daughter and her boyfriend would have meant that both of the deceased would be alive now.
As time goes on and this case moves to prosecution we will learn more background. I will be interested in learning more about the dynamic between the two children. Most of the posts assume that the boy was the dominant figure in the relationship and that could be because he has exhibited these preferences that are so horrible, which makes him an easy target. But I wonder what compelled him to be in the house when she could just as easily have left the house?
All around it is a tragic incident and my heart breaks for the little boy who lost his parents in such a senseless act. That poor child.
Anonymous
12/28/2017 08:38
Subject: Shooting in Reston
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As provocative as all of this neo nazi stuff is, the guy shot his girlfriend's parents because they had forbidden her to see him anymore.
Good luck with this. It's the truth, but you won't get through to a lot of the folk on this board. The Mom also called his school. To him, these people were in the process of destroying the only parts of his life that brought him happiness. At 17, the neo-nazi stuff was simply a cry for help. He was playing neo-nazi because it was provocative, but not an actual neo-nazi.
I agree this stuff can be a cry for help, but you cannot know he was not an actual neo-nazi unless you knew him personally. Did you?
I hope by the end of this all when we know more there something that benefits someone. Some parent prevents their own kid from going off the deep end by heeding the warning signs or people secure their guns better, but even what I just mentioned implies the boys parents were negligent and we don't know that. We don't know what they did for him and what barriers they faced trying to get the right help. This is basically the nightmare worst case scenario from hell of when your kid dates the wrong guy. That said, I wonder what mental illness this boy had and what his childhood was like. What could have been done differently to prevent him from going down this path?