Anonymous
10/14/2017 08:54
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
You would have thought that 1,000+ pages of Obamacare would have made it cheaper to process insurance claims, but that's not the case:
"Just processing the insurance forms costs $58 for every patient encounter, according to Dr. Stephen Schimpff, an internist and former CEO of University of Maryland Medical Center." That's just crazy, but next time you go to the doctor, make note of the number of staff they have processing claims, and think of their counterparts at the insurance company.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-being-a-doctor-became-the-most-miserable-profession
"Just processing the insurance forms costs $58 for every patient encounter, according to Dr. Stephen Schimpff, an internist and former CEO of University of Maryland Medical Center." That's just crazy, but next time you go to the doctor, make note of the number of staff they have processing claims, and think of their counterparts at the insurance company.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-being-a-doctor-became-the-most-miserable-profession
Anonymous
10/14/2017 08:50
Subject: Re:Trump to gut ACA via executive order
FUN FACT: "if you like your plan..." was a lie
ANOTHER FUN FACT: Calling a mandate to get it passed and a tax to get it upheld was deceptive.
ANOTHER FUN FACT: Calling a mandate to get it passed and a tax to get it upheld was deceptive.
Anonymous
10/14/2017 04:50
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Really... you think the millionaire execs were only making this much because of ACA? I have an idea.. why don't you tell Trump and Rs to curb their pay and bring down the cost. Maybe that would help ALL Americans. What do you say to that? I'm all for it. You think Trump will go for it?
Before Obamacare: Health care execs made millions, and the lower middle class could afford a once-a-year vacation.
Under Obamacare: Health care execs still make millions, and the lower middle class can't afford a once-a-year vacation.
See the difference?
I doubt Trump will make things better, but it's weird that liberals can't understand that folks have good reason to be unhappy with their ridiculously crappy with their health care plans under Obamacare.
Are you f*n kidding me? Prior to ACA MILLIONS didn't have insurance. Seriously, what the hell do you think ACA was trying to address. The lower/middle class were being helped by the subsidies, but only if their governor accepted the medicaid expansion. And several red states didn't expand their medicaid program so their lower/middle income people couldn't afford the healthinsurance. Please tell me you knew this part.
I'll say it again: If someone needed to tighten their belt to pay for the poor, it should have been the rich health care execs, not the lower middle class.
And I'll say it again, who do you think will make the CEOs tighten their belt so that everyone could afford health insurance? HINT: it sure hell isn't Trump or the Rs.
Probably not. But we also know for sure it's not the Dems because they did otherwise. They actually had the opportunity, and they chose to screw over the lower middle class instead.
Dems voted for the subsidies. Rs fought against it. Dems wanted to cover millions of uninsured. Rs never put forth any alternative to do this. Who exactly was trying to screw over the lower/middle class in this scenario?
Obamacare is called Obamacare because it's Obama's health care plan. It was passed by Ds and Is in the Senate - no Rs. The Dems own it.
Yes, that's right. Still shows that it was the Dems that tried to help the lower/middle class and not the Rs, which is what was being addressed not "who owns ACA".
NO. The Dems tried to help the lower class, and in the process screwed over the middle class. All they did was switch who can afford medical care. Now the lower class get all the free care, and the middle class has to go without.
Define "middle class" because for a family of four with a HHI of $97K, they could get subsidies.
https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/health/finding-health-insurance/maximum-income-obamcare-premium-assistance/
Also, those in the middle class (and others) who couldn't get insurance due to pre-existing conditions were also helped by ACA.
I'm thinking of middle class as a couple of high school grads, each earning $35,000 for a combined income of $70,000 and living in the DC suburbs. Let's say they're in their 50s and their kids have grown. They are paying around $1500 to $2000 PER MONTH on a take home income of maybe &4500. Not only is that unaffordable, but they likely have to cough up the first $12,000 of expenses before the deductible is met. So....in a bad year...maybe $35,000 total medical expenses on take-home pay of around $55,000. Completely unaffordable. But under Ocare statistics, this couple is counted as "insured" - a success!
As far as your point that some people were helped, I agree. It's just that liberals ignore (or deny) the harm it has causes the middle class who previously were able to afford insurance.
Yea but the mother of that family got cancer in her 20s and is just thankful to have any coverage. At least they stand a chance of not losing their house, again, should she have a reoccurrence. She is also thankful that after she pays $12,000 in expenses the rest of her medical expenses are met, that’s more than the family had before.
Anonymous
10/13/2017 23:51
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
The whole point of the ACA was to increase the number of people who had insurance, not the number of people who had healthcare. Both of those goals failed in terms of actually making healthcare cheaper overall. They're
separate goals.
separate goals.
Anonymous
10/13/2017 23:45
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:
You're really, really stupid or a cynical purveyor of alternative facts. Which is it?
The lower class has just spoken ^^^ . They want more freebies at the expense of the middle class.
Anonymous
10/13/2017 23:29
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
shoulda woulda coulda.... but now Trump is in charge. What is he going to do about it? Gut it so that millions lose healthcare coverage? How does that help? We have a problem here. Instead of focusing on "who's at greater fault", how about we all focus on how to make it better? That's why McCain voted against the repeal twice, because he wants to have something that both sides can agree on, that helps those who are struggling. What Trump and the rest of the Rs have proposed doesn't help these folks, and as he stated, it's a flash in the pan solution, a solution that will sway with the political wind until the power switches to the other side. Then they will want something else. It's untenable. Fix it once and for all. Expand medicaid to include even more people. That is the only way it will help the lower/middle class.
Medicaid is bankrupting the states in case you had not heard.
1/3 to 1/2 of state budgets are going to keep medicaid going.
Gut it so that millions lose healthcare coverage? Yes! The middle class is tired of getting screwed over by people who don't pull their own weight.
Instead of focusing on "who's at greater fault", how about we all focus on how to make it better? Where were you in 2010 when competition across state lines and limits on legal settlements was proposed? Oh yeah, you were telling the Republicans to go pound sand. You had all the answers, like robbing medicare of close to a trillion $$$.
Healthcare.gov was an OBAMAnation from the start and didn't work after three years and 600 MILLION in funding. That should have been your first clue.
Don't lump the lower and middle class together. The lower class leaches off of the middle (WORKING) class.
You're really, really stupid or a cynical purveyor of alternative facts. Which is it?
Anonymous
10/13/2017 23:14
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Obamacare is called Obamacare because it's Obama's health care plan. It was passed by Ds and Is in the Senate - no Rs. The Dems own it.
Trump broke it. He owns it.
Nice try. But everyone knows Obamacare is Obama's. He should have designed a system that was built to last. Dems have no one to blame but themselves.
Yeah, but no. And the polls are showing it.
Really? The polls are looking good for the Dems? As good as they did last October?
So, Nancy Pelosi has a 97.9% chance of winning the presidency in 2018?
Anonymous
10/13/2017 23:13
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:
shoulda woulda coulda.... but now Trump is in charge. What is he going to do about it? Gut it so that millions lose healthcare coverage? How does that help? We have a problem here. Instead of focusing on "who's at greater fault", how about we all focus on how to make it better? That's why McCain voted against the repeal twice, because he wants to have something that both sides can agree on, that helps those who are struggling. What Trump and the rest of the Rs have proposed doesn't help these folks, and as he stated, it's a flash in the pan solution, a solution that will sway with the political wind until the power switches to the other side. Then they will want something else. It's untenable. Fix it once and for all. Expand medicaid to include even more people. That is the only way it will help the lower/middle class.
Medicaid is bankrupting the states in case you had not heard.
1/3 to 1/2 of state budgets are going to keep medicaid going.
Gut it so that millions lose healthcare coverage? Yes! The middle class is tired of getting screwed over by people who don't pull their own weight.
Instead of focusing on "who's at greater fault", how about we all focus on how to make it better? Where were you in 2010 when competition across state lines and limits on legal settlements was proposed? Oh yeah, you were telling the Republicans to go pound sand. You had all the answers, like robbing medicare of close to a trillion $$$.
Healthcare.gov was an OBAMAnation from the start and didn't work after three years and 600 MILLION in funding. That should have been your first clue.
Don't lump the lower and middle class together. The lower class leaches off of the middle (WORKING) class.
Anonymous
10/13/2017 23:05
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Really... you think the millionaire execs were only making this much because of ACA? I have an idea.. why don't you tell Trump and Rs to curb their pay and bring down the cost. Maybe that would help ALL Americans. What do you say to that? I'm all for it. You think Trump will go for it?
Before Obamacare: Health care execs made millions, and the lower middle class could afford a once-a-year vacation.
Under Obamacare: Health care execs still make millions, and the lower middle class can't afford a once-a-year vacation.
See the difference?
I doubt Trump will make things better, but it's weird that liberals can't understand that folks have good reason to be unhappy with their ridiculously crappy with their health care plans under Obamacare.
Are you f*n kidding me? Prior to ACA MILLIONS didn't have insurance. Seriously, what the hell do you think ACA was trying to address. The lower/middle class were being helped by the subsidies, but only if their governor accepted the medicaid expansion. And several red states didn't expand their medicaid program so their lower/middle income people couldn't afford the healthinsurance. Please tell me you knew this part.
I'll say it again: If someone needed to tighten their belt to pay for the poor, it should have been the rich health care execs, not the lower middle class.
And I'll say it again, who do you think will make the CEOs tighten their belt so that everyone could afford health insurance? HINT: it sure hell isn't Trump or the Rs.
Probably not. But we also know for sure it's not the Dems because they did otherwise. They actually had the opportunity, and they chose to screw over the lower middle class instead.
Dems voted for the subsidies. Rs fought against it. Dems wanted to cover millions of uninsured. Rs never put forth any alternative to do this. Who exactly was trying to screw over the lower/middle class in this scenario?
Obamacare is called Obamacare because it's Obama's health care plan. It was passed by Ds and Is in the Senate - no Rs. The Dems own it.
Yes, that's right. Still shows that it was the Dems that tried to help the lower/middle class and not the Rs, which is what was being addressed not "who owns ACA".
The Dems tried to help the lower class at the expense of the middle (WORKING) class, you jackass.
Anonymous
10/13/2017 22:33
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
So now that I don't have my subsidy anymore do I still have to have insurance? Without my subsidy my monthly bill is 350. That's a lot of money for me. What about next year.
Anonymous
10/13/2017 22:24
Subject: Re:Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:FUN FACT: The ACA isn't Medicaid.
ANOTHER FUN FACT: The left's class warfare attack won't work this time.
Wow - the FUN FACTS are sure flying now!!!
Anonymous
10/13/2017 21:20
Subject: Re:Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FUN FACT: Obamacare long was collapsing before today.
ANOTHER FUN FACT: Trump is doing what he promised.
FUN FACT: The US Virgin Islands doesn't have a President
ANOTHER FUN FACT: Puerto Rico isn't a country
NOT SO FUN FACT: Trump and his followers are f*cking morons. -- Rex Tillerson
The second PP is much more fun to hang out with that the first PP (FUN FACT GUY SR.)
Anonymous
10/13/2017 21:20
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:
Obamacare is called Obamacare because it's Obama's health care plan. It was passed by Ds and Is in the Senate - no Rs. The Dems own it.
Trump broke it. He owns it.
Nice try. But everyone knows Obamacare is Obama's. He should have designed a system that was built to last. Dems have no one to blame but themselves.
Yeah, but no. And the polls are showing it.
Really? The polls are looking good for the Dems? As good as they did last October?
Anonymous
10/13/2017 21:12
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Really... you think the millionaire execs were only making this much because of ACA? I have an idea.. why don't you tell Trump and Rs to curb their pay and bring down the cost. Maybe that would help ALL Americans. What do you say to that? I'm all for it. You think Trump will go for it?
Before Obamacare: Health care execs made millions, and the lower middle class could afford a once-a-year vacation.
Under Obamacare: Health care execs still make millions, and the lower middle class can't afford a once-a-year vacation.
See the difference?
I doubt Trump will make things better, but it's weird that liberals can't understand that folks have good reason to be unhappy with their ridiculously crappy with their health care plans under Obamacare.
Are you f*n kidding me? Prior to ACA MILLIONS didn't have insurance. Seriously, what the hell do you think ACA was trying to address. The lower/middle class were being helped by the subsidies, but only if their governor accepted the medicaid expansion. And several red states didn't expand their medicaid program so their lower/middle income people couldn't afford the healthinsurance. Please tell me you knew this part.
I'll say it again: If someone needed to tighten their belt to pay for the poor, it should have been the rich health care execs, not the lower middle class.
And I'll say it again, who do you think will make the CEOs tighten their belt so that everyone could afford health insurance? HINT: it sure hell isn't Trump or the Rs.
Probably not. But we also know for sure it's not the Dems because they did otherwise. They actually had the opportunity, and they chose to screw over the lower middle class instead.
Dems voted for the subsidies. Rs fought against it. Dems wanted to cover millions of uninsured. Rs never put forth any alternative to do this. Who exactly was trying to screw over the lower/middle class in this scenario?
Obamacare is called Obamacare because it's Obama's health care plan. It was passed by Ds and Is in the Senate - no Rs. The Dems own it.
Yes, that's right. Still shows that it was the Dems that tried to help the lower/middle class and not the Rs, which is what was being addressed not "who owns ACA".
NO. The Dems tried to help the lower class, and in the process screwed over the middle class. All they did was switch who can afford medical care. Now the lower class get all the free care, and the middle class has to go without.
Define "middle class" because for a family of four with a HHI of $97K, they could get subsidies.
https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/health/finding-health-insurance/maximum-income-obamcare-premium-assistance/
Also, those in the middle class (and others) who couldn't get insurance due to pre-existing conditions were also helped by ACA.
I'm thinking of middle class as a couple of high school grads, each earning $35,000 for a combined income of $70,000 and living in the DC suburbs. Let's say they're in their 50s and their kids have grown. They are paying around $1500 to $2000 PER MONTH on a take home income of maybe &4500. Not only is that unaffordable, but they likely have to cough up the first $12,000 of expenses before the deductible is met. So....in a bad year...maybe $35,000 total medical expenses on take-home pay of around $55,000. Completely unaffordable. But under Ocare statistics, this couple is counted as "insured" - a success!
As far as your point that some people were helped, I agree. It's just that liberals ignore (or deny) the harm it has causes the middle class who previously were able to afford insurance.
Anonymous
10/13/2017 21:10
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Obamacare is called Obamacare because it's Obama's health care plan. It was passed by Ds and Is in the Senate - no Rs. The Dems own it.
Trump broke it. He owns it.
Nice try. But everyone knows Obamacare is Obama's. He should have designed a system that was built to last. Dems have no one to blame but themselves.
Yeah, but no. And the polls are showing it.