Anonymous wrote:I don't support illegal immigration. I support fixing the problem by prosecuting employers who hire them. I don't feel that trying to improve your situation is bad but exploiting workers is. If you eliminate employment opportunities, it will make immigrating illegally far less appealing. The problem is no one has the balls to go after employers!

Anonymous wrote:You anti-immigrant folks give yourselves away with the constant little references to alleged handouts, immigrants lacking decency, etc. You reveal not just your ignorance about immigration as a public policy issue but also your bias/racism against certain nationalities.

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Anonymous wrote:This is kind of a straw man. I don't support illegal immigration. But it happens and we have to deal with it in a rational and proportional way. And if we want to get serious about it, go after the employers who hire people who are undocumented. Instead of making undocumented people out to be the boogeyman. Sorry. You aren't unemployed because some undocumented worker took your job.

This is how I feel about it too.

I met an undocumented family years ago. The parents came here to leave a desperate situation back home and have taken terrible jobs (including poultry industry) to try to make ends meet. The dad has been sent home a few times. Their lives are very precarious. Despite all of their troubles they are very kind and very hard working. I have a great amount of sympathy for them even though I don't think they should have come here illegally. But they were in a bad situation - not sure what I would have done differently myself if I were in their shoes.

The poultry factory where they work is terrible. They seem to be blatantly breaking the law and going unpunished. Plus the working conditions are terrible. Seems unjust that this family and others are being prosecuted but this company goes unscathed.

Agree with both PPs. A woman who used to care for a neighbor's daughter was here illegally and she fled her home country after her entire immediate family, including a younger brother, was killed by gang warfare. She came to the US as a 17 year old girl - no family at home and only a distant relative in the DC area. People like this woman are fleeing terror at home and while I don't think entering the country illegally is okay, now that she's here she should be treated humanely and with a path to citizenship. She is hardworking, two jobs (both menial but nevertheless she works them) and she has taught herself English.

Again: this woman, here illegally, should get to jump ahead of all the other immigrants who have waited patiently for years to LEGALLY become citizens? Why?

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Anonymous wrote:This is kind of a straw man. I don't support illegal immigration. But it happens and we have to deal with it in a rational and proportional way. And if we want to get serious about it, go after the employers who hire people who are undocumented. Instead of making undocumented people out to be the boogeyman. Sorry. You aren't unemployed because some undocumented worker took your job.

This is how I feel about it too.

I met an undocumented family years ago. The parents came here to leave a desperate situation back home and have taken terrible jobs (including poultry industry) to try to make ends meet. The dad has been sent home a few times. Their lives are very precarious. Despite all of their troubles they are very kind and very hard working. I have a great amount of sympathy for them even though I don't think they should have come here illegally. But they were in a bad situation - not sure what I would have done differently myself if I were in their shoes.

The poultry factory where they work is terrible. They seem to be blatantly breaking the law and going unpunished. Plus the working conditions are terrible. Seems unjust that this family and others are being prosecuted but this company goes unscathed.

Agree with both PPs. A woman who used to care for a neighbor's daughter was here illegally and she fled her home country after her entire immediate family, including a younger brother, was killed by gang warfare. She came to the US as a 17 year old girl - no family at home and only a distant relative in the DC area. People like this woman are fleeing terror at home and while I don't think entering the country illegally is okay, now that she's here she should be treated humanely and with a path to citizenship. She is hardworking, two jobs (both menial but nevertheless she works them) and she has taught herself English.

So you both agree, that it is not ok to enter and stay in a country illegally. And the consequence for this is....?

The grand coveted price for so many in the world: US citizenship?

Seriously? Don't you see, how nonsensical this is, and how unfair?

Do you know, how many people in the world want US citizenship?
Do you know, how many millions of people in this world are in a "bad situation" as you put it?

Do you take the illegally entering and staying people for stupid? They know that there is no consequence, and they know that there is citizenship for their children. And lots of other benefits other countries cannot offer!

Do you know, how many countries they pass through, that are perfectly ok to live in, after they have escaped their untenable situation?

Oh, and : The poultry farm might seem horrible to your naive mind, but there are many jobs that you'd view as "disgusting", or dangerous, that are carried out by Legal US residents every day, imagine that! ...and the entire world has people working "disgusting" jobs in every country, jobs, that are difficult, jobs that are dangerous.

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America can not handle millions and millions of poor people because their lives are horrible in their own country. Their own country need to figure this out. We went holiday vacation to couple of poor countries and saw the extreme rich and poor. Please don’t say we have the same here, we do but nothing like other countries that I have seen. People need to learn to take care their own people.

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Anonymous wrote:This is kind of a straw man. I don't support illegal immigration. But it happens and we have to deal with it in a rational and proportional way. And if we want to get serious about it, go after the employers who hire people who are undocumented. Instead of making undocumented people out to be the boogeyman. Sorry. You aren't unemployed because some undocumented worker took your job.

This is how I feel about it too.

I met an undocumented family years ago. The parents came here to leave a desperate situation back home and have taken terrible jobs (including poultry industry) to try to make ends meet. The dad has been sent home a few times. Their lives are very precarious. Despite all of their troubles they are very kind and very hard working. I have a great amount of sympathy for them even though I don't think they should have come here illegally. But they were in a bad situation - not sure what I would have done differently myself if I were in their shoes.

The poultry factory where they work is terrible. They seem to be blatantly breaking the law and going unpunished. Plus the working conditions are terrible. Seems unjust that this family and others are being prosecuted but this company goes unscathed.

Agree with both PPs. A woman who used to care for a neighbor's daughter was here illegally and she fled her home country after her entire immediate family, including a younger brother, was killed by gang warfare. She came to the US as a 17 year old girl - no family at home and only a distant relative in the DC area. People like this woman are fleeing terror at home and while I don't think entering the country illegally is okay, now that she's here she should be treated humanely and with a path to citizenship. She is hardworking, two jobs (both menial but nevertheless she works them) and she has taught herself English.

So you both agree, that it is not ok to enter and stay in a country illegally. And the consequence for this is....?

The grand coveted price for so many in the world: US citizenship?

Seriously? Don't you see, how nonsensical this is, and how unfair?

Do you know, how many people in the world want US citizenship?
Do you know, how many millions of people in this world are in a "bad situation" as you put it?

Do you take the illegally entering and staying people for stupid? They know that there is no consequence, and they know that there is citizenship for their children. And lots of other benefits other countries cannot offer!

Do you know, how many countries they pass through, that are perfectly ok to live in, after they have escaped their untenable situation?

Oh, and : The poultry farm might seem horrible to your naive mind, but there are many jobs that you'd view as "disgusting", or dangerous, that are carried out by Legal US residents every day, imagine that! ...and the entire world has people working "disgusting" jobs in every country, jobs, that are difficult, jobs that are dangerous.