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Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

I would expect a kid who gets into Stanford to realize that he should not finger a woman who is unconscious behind a dumpster.

But he was a DRUNK kid who got into Stanford. Brains and rational thought go out the window when you're that drunk. Women can't trust someone like that to care what they're doing.

True fact: I drank a lot of alcohol in college and did not finger any unconscious women behind a dumpster.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

This kid not only has never had a conversation about consent, but neither he nor his parents understand that what he did was wrong. Why let a little rape dim a bright future?

http://www.mercurynews.com/san-mateo-county/ci_29984426/stanford-sexual-assault-letter-from-brock-turners-father

What is the line for a boy at a college party when a girl starts getting physical with him after she has had a drink? Is it one drink? Two? Three? Four? Five?

You tell me. What is the delineator? What is the exact conversation he should be having with her along the way?

There is not an exact conversation we can write you in advance because the girl is also a human being with thoughts and opinions and the key point to be stressed is that he needs to actually listen to those thoughts and opinions to determine whether he can put his penis in her.

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Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

Please tell me this is sarcastic/satirical. Please.

Please tell us you don't trust every guy to care what he's doing and to act responsibly, especially if drunk or high on drugs.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

Please tell me this is sarcastic/satirical. Please.

Nope. Totally serious.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

I would expect a kid who gets into Stanford to realize that he should not finger a woman who is unconscious behind a dumpster.

But he was a DRUNK kid who got into Stanford. Brains and rational thought go out the window when you're that drunk. Women can't trust someone like that to care what they're doing.

Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

Please tell me this is sarcastic/satirical. Please.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

This kid not only has never had a conversation about consent, but neither he nor his parents understand that what he did was wrong. Why let a little rape dim a bright future?

http://www.mercurynews.com/san-mateo-county/ci_29984426/stanford-sexual-assault-letter-from-brock-turners-father

What is the line for a boy at a college party when a girl starts getting physical with him after she has had a drink? Is it one drink? Two? Three? Four? Five?

You tell me. What is the delineator? What is the exact conversation he should be having with her along the way?

Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

This kid not only has never had a conversation about consent, but neither he nor his parents understand that what he did was wrong. Why let a little rape dim a bright future?

http://www.mercurynews.com/san-mateo-county/ci_29984426/stanford-sexual-assault-letter-from-brock-turners-father

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Anonymous wrote:^And this guy probably didn't outright rape this girl because he didn't want to leave the DNA evidence behind.

No more like he was loosening her up with his fingers and then those pesky Swedes stopped him before he could get his dick in

Sounds like he was dry humping her for a while because she had all those abrasions all over her body...this went on for 20 minutes? Given where this was taking place - outside behind a dumpster....if he was going to rape her he would have done it. But he knew that he was going to leave her behind that dumpster and didn't want to leave evidence on her. She would think that she just passed out.

When he saw the Swedes he got up and RAN and had to be tackled. That says he was aware of his surroundings and he was thinking about not wanting to be caught.

Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

I would expect a kid who gets into Stanford to realize that he should not finger a woman who is unconscious behind a dumpster.

It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

Can someone provide a link to the name of the swedes? I can't find it.. The heroes !

Anonymous wrote:^And this guy probably didn't outright rape this girl because he didn't want to leave the DNA evidence behind.

No more like he was loosening her up with his fingers and then those pesky Swedes stopped him before he could get his dick in

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Anonymous wrote:Getting so drunk that someone else has to explain what happened to you should be a wake up call to this woman. She clearly has a drinking problem and needs to get a handle on it. Keeping your younger sister company at a frat party is just plain stupid. She clearly went through college and just can't let go or act her age. No, I'm not excusing his act of rape, but I do think that accountability has to be met by all parties involved. Women need to think about their actions,and anticipate possible outcomes, if they are to protect themselves.

Wow lots of assumptions there. I've gotten that drunk before (when in my 20s) and do not have a drinking problem. I've barely even had a drink since having kids in 2007. And what's wrong with going to a party with your sister??

She went to a party where she had multiple shots and had a history of blacking out while drinking. That's a drinking problem.

Absolutely no bearing on the fact that a man chose to rape her. Zero.

California has equated having sex with a drunk woman and having sex with an unconscious woman. It's true, had she been awake and drunk, and saying yes, he'd be just as much of a rapist. Does that make sense? (Getting blackout drunk and having sex go together. It's not uncommon.)

From the California penal code:

(3)?Where a person is prevented from resisting by any intoxicating or anesthetic substance, or any controlled substance, and this condition was known, or reasonably should have been known by the accused.

http://codes.findlaw.com/ca/penal-code/pen-sect-261.html

It leaves things in a gray area, since it's based on exactly how drunk the person is whether they are prevented from resisting. But it's hard enough to prove a rape occurred, that I think the gray area in the law is necessary in order to ever convict. I'm not a lawyer, though, so it would be interesting if one could weigh in.

WHERE A PERSON IS PREVENTED FROM RESISTING.

WTF is "gray" about that?

Passers by could see that she was not resisting and she didn't wake up for another 3 hours.

Yep - and I don't know if it's been discussed yet but if the whole thing was consensual, why didn't he stay there and explain that to the two guys who tried to stop him?

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing about the argument for telling women to be safer- We've always known that. My friends and I knew it when I was in my 20's, yet one got raped. We traveled in packs never left anyone behind, watched our drinks etc.. but it happened. It happened to my sister and my best friend from high school. I've always known the rules. Women are all drilled on the rules and yet rape continues. Maybe we aren't the problem.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

No one ever said women are the problem or that we can prevent all rapes. We're looking for ways to try to prevent the problem people from hurting us.