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Anonymous wrote:Why can't we have nicer kinder snipers that appreciate art.

So snipers get to come home and kill people, beat people, and accuse the federal government of killing dozens of Americans without due process?

We ask them to do atrocious thinks to protect our county, lack the ability to manage mental illness when they return, then you sit iny our warm homes with your high speed internet and degrees you don't use judging them.

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Of course Kyle had the right to write the book. He chose to put it out there for whatever fame, glory , praise, criticism, discussion, and judgement that would bring. Thousands of other vets chose not to do so.

But yet all the vets are praising him for bringing light to a subject they don't feel feel sure about only because of public feeling. Veterans are treated like garbage here in the US. They are expected to come back and never mention a word and have a normal life. PTSD, anxiety, depression, night terrors, shadow limbs, suicides. That is not normal. The only ones that are making a big deal about it are non-military liberals who think that combat is never the answer.

And other vets do write books, this is just the biggest current one out there right now.

Vets are not treated like garbage here. Vets are heroized now. We honor them at public events, we give them discounts, they proudly display their veteran status on their cars and trucks. This is not the Vietnam era anymore.

They are treated like shit by being sent into useless wars. Almost all of these guys coming home with head trauma, PTSD, and missing limbs fought a war in Iraq that had nothing to do with defending our country. Sorry, but it's true. We were right to go into Afghanistan, but we absolutely did NOT have to invade Iraq. That is why they have PTSD. That is why they have night terrors, anxiety, depression. You can't always rebuild people when you break them.

Exactly. I remember seeing a tribute to veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan years ago at Arlington. The military dead at that point wad about a quarter O what it is now. I broke down in tears of anger thinking about how fucking pointless it was that all of those people were dead. They were sent to fight based on outright LIES. This is why I, and why I suspect many others, feel conflicted about Kyle being held up as a hero...because the words I read in his book show that he was utterly brainwashed into thinking the mission was justified. I want our people in uniform to be brave enough to question the wisdom and fitness of the elected or appointed "officials" who send them to fight and die based on LIES. When vets come home viewing the world in binary terms, like Kyle did, it tells me they have lost the ability to question and frankly, that scares the hell out of me. We're all counting on these people to protect us...and to me that means more than just following orders. But maybe I expect too much, maybe I am being unfair, I don't know. I see Kyle as a prime example of so many things that our country has gotten dead wrong over the past 20 years. And these are not thongs which I choose to celebrate.

That anyone would even question the killing of an Al Qaeda terrorist is just mind-boggling, especially since these same terrorists would think nothing of killing you and yours.

Well you've pretty much missed the entire point with your tiny pea brain. The bottom line is that the US, and our allies, created the conditions for terrorists to thrive in Iraq with our completely unjustified and ill-planned invasion of the country. The fact that so many are unwilling to concede this fact, and to hold our government to account with the vote, is mind-boggling to me.

Anonymous wrote:I'd love to hear if u think he's a scumbag after u see the film. Thats pretty harsh man!

Not to mention that there is nothing stop our veterans, who are no longer in service to the military, from questioning what they were sent to do and the way that our political leadership planned and executed actions of which they were a part. They are not contractually required to come home and publish memoirs categorizing everyone in an entire country/region as "the enemy," and believing, whole cloth, that America is 100% good. What a simplistic worldview.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't we have nicer kinder snipers that appreciate art.

So snipers get to come home and kill people, beat people, and accuse the federal government of killing dozens of Americans without due process?

We ask them to do atrocious thinks to protect our county, lack the ability to manage mental illness when they return, then you sit iny our warm homes with your high speed internet and degrees you don't use judging them.

Exactly

Of course Kyle had the right to write the book. He chose to put it out there for whatever fame, glory , praise, criticism, discussion, and judgement that would bring. Thousands of other vets chose not to do so.

But yet all the vets are praising him for bringing light to a subject they don't feel feel sure about only because of public feeling. Veterans are treated like garbage here in the US. They are expected to come back and never mention a word and have a normal life. PTSD, anxiety, depression, night terrors, shadow limbs, suicides. That is not normal. The only ones that are making a big deal about it are non-military liberals who think that combat is never the answer.

And other vets do write books, this is just the biggest current one out there right now.

Vets are not treated like garbage here. Vets are heroized now. We honor them at public events, we give them discounts, they proudly display their veteran status on their cars and trucks. This is not the Vietnam era anymore.

They are treated like shit by being sent into useless wars. Almost all of these guys coming home with head trauma, PTSD, and missing limbs fought a war in Iraq that had nothing to do with defending our country. Sorry, but it's true. We were right to go into Afghanistan, but we absolutely did NOT have to invade Iraq. That is why they have PTSD. That is why they have night terrors, anxiety, depression. You can't always rebuild people when you break them.

Exactly. I remember seeing a tribute to veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan years ago at Arlington. The military dead at that point wad about a quarter O what it is now. I broke down in tears of anger thinking about how fucking pointless it was that all of those people were dead. They were sent to fight based on outright LIES. This is why I, and why I suspect many others, feel conflicted about Kyle being held up as a hero...because the words I read in his book show that he was utterly brainwashed into thinking the mission was justified. I want our people in uniform to be brave enough to question the wisdom and fitness of the elected or appointed "officials" who send them to fight and die based on LIES. When vets come home viewing the world in binary terms, like Kyle did, it tells me they have lost the ability to question and frankly, that scares the hell out of me. We're all counting on these people to protect us...and to me that means more than just following orders. But maybe I expect too much, maybe I am being unfair, I don't know. I see Kyle as a prime example of so many things that our country has gotten dead wrong over the past 20 years. And these are not thongs which I choose to celebrate.

That anyone would even question the killing of an Al Qaeda terrorist is just mind-boggling, especially since these same terrorists would think nothing of killing you and yours.

It scares the hell.out of you that one soldier came back not questioning the war and following orders? Do you have a basic idea of how the military functions? They follow civilian/political leadership -- thats us. Most have a variety of personal opinions about their orders but will execute the orders we give them. Some may have personal opinions that differ from leadership. But to questions soldiers for not questioning??????? To say they are not brave for embracing their cause/orders. Thats sort of a weird expectation to place on military personnel.
By the by, I'm sure at your work you are quite the rabble rouser? Questioning your boss judgment? Making sure your workplace has no, even unintended, negative impact on anyone anywhere and being ready to stand up to it or walk away from your job on principle? Sounds exhausting, but its a requirement you also levy on people fighting our wars we send them to in order to be deemed 'brave'?

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't we have nicer kinder snipers that appreciate art.

So snipers get to come home and kill people, beat people, and accuse the federal government of killing dozens of Americans without due process?

We ask them to do atrocious thinks to protect our county, lack the ability to manage mental illness when they return, then you sit iny our warm homes with your high speed internet and degrees you don't use judging them.

Exactly

Of course Kyle had the right to write the book. He chose to put it out there for whatever fame, glory , praise, criticism, discussion, and judgement that would bring. Thousands of other vets chose not to do so.

But yet all the vets are praising him for bringing light to a subject they don't feel feel sure about only because of public feeling. Veterans are treated like garbage here in the US. They are expected to come back and never mention a word and have a normal life. PTSD, anxiety, depression, night terrors, shadow limbs, suicides. That is not normal. The only ones that are making a big deal about it are non-military liberals who think that combat is never the answer.

And other vets do write books, this is just the biggest current one out there right now.

Vets are not treated like garbage here. Vets are heroized now. We honor them at public events, we give them discounts, they proudly display their veteran status on their cars and trucks. This is not the Vietnam era anymore.

They are treated like shit by being sent into useless wars. Almost all of these guys coming home with head trauma, PTSD, and missing limbs fought a war in Iraq that had nothing to do with defending our country. Sorry, but it's true. We were right to go into Afghanistan, but we absolutely did NOT have to invade Iraq. That is why they have PTSD. That is why they have night terrors, anxiety, depression. You can't always rebuild people when you break them.

Exactly. I remember seeing a tribute to veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan years ago at Arlington. The military dead at that point wad about a quarter O what it is now. I broke down in tears of anger thinking about how fucking pointless it was that all of those people were dead. They were sent to fight based on outright LIES. This is why I, and why I suspect many others, feel conflicted about Kyle being held up as a hero...because the words I read in his book show that he was utterly brainwashed into thinking the mission was justified. I want our people in uniform to be brave enough to question the wisdom and fitness of the elected or appointed "officials" who send them to fight and die based on LIES. When vets come home viewing the world in binary terms, like Kyle did, it tells me they have lost the ability to question and frankly, that scares the hell out of me. We're all counting on these people to protect us...and to me that means more than just following orders. But maybe I expect too much, maybe I am being unfair, I don't know. I see Kyle as a prime example of so many things that our country has gotten dead wrong over the past 20 years. And these are not thongs which I choose to celebrate.

That anyone would even question the killing of an Al Qaeda terrorist is just mind-boggling, especially since these same terrorists would think nothing of killing you and yours.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't we have nicer kinder snipers that appreciate art.

So snipers get to come home and kill people, beat people, and accuse the federal government of killing dozens of Americans without due process?

We ask them to do atrocious thinks to protect our county, lack the ability to manage mental illness when they return, then you sit iny our warm homes with your high speed internet and degrees you don't use judging them.

Exactly

Of course Kyle had the right to write the book. He chose to put it out there for whatever fame, glory , praise, criticism, discussion, and judgement that would bring. Thousands of other vets chose not to do so.

But yet all the vets are praising him for bringing light to a subject they don't feel feel sure about only because of public feeling. Veterans are treated like garbage here in the US. They are expected to come back and never mention a word and have a normal life. PTSD, anxiety, depression, night terrors, shadow limbs, suicides. That is not normal. The only ones that are making a big deal about it are non-military liberals who think that combat is never the answer.

And other vets do write books, this is just the biggest current one out there right now.

Vets are not treated like garbage here. Vets are heroized now. We honor them at public events, we give them discounts, they proudly display their veteran status on their cars and trucks. This is not the Vietnam era anymore.

They are treated like shit by being sent into useless wars. Almost all of these guys coming home with head trauma, PTSD, and missing limbs fought a war in Iraq that had nothing to do with defending our country. Sorry, but it's true. We were right to go into Afghanistan, but we absolutely did NOT have to invade Iraq. That is why they have PTSD. That is why they have night terrors, anxiety, depression. You can't always rebuild people when you break them.

Exactly. I remember seeing a tribute to veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan years ago at Arlington. The military dead at that point wad about a quarter O what it is now. I broke down in tears of anger thinking about how fucking pointless it was that all of those people were dead. They were sent to fight based on outright LIES. This is why I, and why I suspect many others, feel conflicted about Kyle being held up as a hero...because the words I read in his book show that he was utterly brainwashed into thinking the mission was justified. I want our people in uniform to be brave enough to question the wisdom and fitness of the elected or appointed "officials" who send them to fight and die based on LIES. When vets come home viewing the world in binary terms, like Kyle did, it tells me they have lost the ability to question and frankly, that scares the hell out of me. We're all counting on these people to protect us...and to me that means more than just following orders. But maybe I expect too much, maybe I am being unfair, I don't know. I see Kyle as a prime example of so many things that our country has gotten dead wrong over the past 20 years. And these are not thongs which I choose to celebrate.

That anyone would even question the killing of an Al Qaeda terrorist is just mind-boggling, especially since these same terrorists would think nothing of killing you and yours.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't we have nicer kinder snipers that appreciate art.

So snipers get to come home and kill people, beat people, and accuse the federal government of killing dozens of Americans without due process?

We ask them to do atrocious thinks to protect our county, lack the ability to manage mental illness when they return, then you sit iny our warm homes with your high speed internet and degrees you don't use judging them.

Exactly

Of course Kyle had the right to write the book. He chose to put it out there for whatever fame, glory , praise, criticism, discussion, and judgement that would bring. Thousands of other vets chose not to do so.

But yet all the vets are praising him for bringing light to a subject they don't feel feel sure about only because of public feeling. Veterans are treated like garbage here in the US. They are expected to come back and never mention a word and have a normal life. PTSD, anxiety, depression, night terrors, shadow limbs, suicides. That is not normal. The only ones that are making a big deal about it are non-military liberals who think that combat is never the answer.

And other vets do write books, this is just the biggest current one out there right now.

Vets are not treated like garbage here. Vets are heroized now. We honor them at public events, we give them discounts, they proudly display their veteran status on their cars and trucks. This is not the Vietnam era anymore.

They are treated like shit by being sent into useless wars. Almost all of these guys coming home with head trauma, PTSD, and missing limbs fought a war in Iraq that had nothing to do with defending our country. Sorry, but it's true. We were right to go into Afghanistan, but we absolutely did NOT have to invade Iraq. That is why they have PTSD. That is why they have night terrors, anxiety, depression. You can't always rebuild people when you break them.

Exactly. I remember seeing a tribute to veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan years ago at Arlington. The military dead at that point wad about a quarter O what it is now. I broke down in tears of anger thinking about how fucking pointless it was that all of those people were dead. They were sent to fight based on outright LIES. This is why I, and why I suspect many others, feel conflicted about Kyle being held up as a hero...because the words I read in his book show that he was utterly brainwashed into thinking the mission was justified. I want our people in uniform to be brave enough to question the wisdom and fitness of the elected or appointed "officials" who send them to fight and die based on LIES. When vets come home viewing the world in binary terms, like Kyle did, it tells me they have lost the ability to question and frankly, that scares the hell out of me. We're all counting on these people to protect us...and to me that means more than just following orders. But maybe I expect too much, maybe I am being unfair, I don't know. I see Kyle as a prime example of so many things that our country has gotten dead wrong over the past 20 years. And these are not thongs which I choose to celebrate.

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Anonymous wrote:No one actually said that. The question is whether someone who holds MLK in less regard than a soldier with 160 kills is a racist. I have yet to hear one of those posters actually express a non-racist logic to explain this point of view.

The interesting part of your question is your lack of acknowledgement of what those kills acomplished. Are you happy Obama 'got' Bin Laden? Thank a sniper

You have no idea what I do or do not know about Chris Kyle. But I have repeatedly asked for a reasoning which justifies the poster's comparison of Kyle to MLK. If you would like to offer one, please do.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't we have nicer kinder snipers that appreciate art.

So snipers get to come home and kill people, beat people, and accuse the federal government of killing dozens of Americans without due process?

We ask them to do atrocious thinks to protect our county, lack the ability to manage mental illness when they return, then you sit iny our warm homes with your high speed internet and degrees you don't use judging them.

Exactly

Of course Kyle had the right to write the book. He chose to put it out there for whatever fame, glory , praise, criticism, discussion, and judgement that would bring. Thousands of other vets chose not to do so.

But yet all the vets are praising him for bringing light to a subject they don't feel feel sure about only because of public feeling. Veterans are treated like garbage here in the US. They are expected to come back and never mention a word and have a normal life. PTSD, anxiety, depression, night terrors, shadow limbs, suicides. That is not normal. The only ones that are making a big deal about it are non-military liberals who think that combat is never the answer.

And other vets do write books, this is just the biggest current one out there right now.

Vets are not treated like garbage here. Vets are heroized now. We honor them at public events, we give them discounts, they proudly display their veteran status on their cars and trucks. This is not the Vietnam era anymore.

They are treated like shit by being sent into useless wars. Almost all of these guys coming home with head trauma, PTSD, and missing limbs fought a war in Iraq that had nothing to do with defending our country. Sorry, but it's true. We were right to go into Afghanistan, but we absolutely did NOT have to invade Iraq. That is why they have PTSD. That is why they have night terrors, anxiety, depression. You can't always rebuild people when you break them.

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Anonymous wrote:If he had counted the number of lives saved instead of number of kills then I would admire him.

Well then, you'd better start admiring, because clearly you are shooting your mouth off without doing any research. He had never counted up the lives he took; the military did that. He always looked at the lives he saved. He got into helping vets because he couldn't deal with another tour, and he was distraught over how many American lives he wasn't saving. So he was re-directed into trying to save soldiers in another way, by spending time with wounded veterans and teaching them to be a little more competent in an area that he was qualified to teach in.

Not saying this was the safest idea or even a smart one, but you can see his motivation and it's not coming from counting kills.

Hmmmm... you are apparently unaware that he published an autobiography in his own name.

You seem like someone who may have problems with yourself, and like to diminish others.... classic projection...