Anonymous wrote:Parents who exchange their food stamps for drugs or alcohol.

What proportion of parents who use food stamps do this, do you think?

And do you think that public education for the middle class is just fine?

Anonymous wrote:

I don't know why they aren't listed. Why does that matter? What's the important thing, actually involving classroom teachers, or putting up stuff on your public website? For months I've been reading on DCUM that actually involving classroom teachers is the most important thing, but now evidently it's not?.

Evidently it's not because one teacher says she was on the group? A teacher who gives training workshops on Common Core (and likely gets paid to do so)?

Aha. So the argument goes like this:

Anti: Teachers weren't involved.
Not anti: Yes they were. *examples*
Anti: Those people don't count.

Anonymous wrote:

What is the cause of the problem

Parents who do not help their children with language development.
Parents who do not count with their children.
Parents who do not read to their children.
etc.etc.

The cause of the problem is parents who don't behave like modern middle-class educated parents in the US? Most parents throughout most of history have not behaved like modern middle-class educated parents in the US.

Still, ok. So: what can be done to get these parents to behave like modern middle-class educated parents in the US?

I don't know why they aren't listed. Why does that matter? What's the important thing, actually involving classroom teachers, or putting up stuff on your public website? For months I've been reading on DCUM that actually involving classroom teachers is the most important thing, but now evidently it's not?.

Evidently it's not because one teacher says she was on the group? A teacher who gives training workshops on Common Core (and likely gets paid to do so)?

Parents who exchange their food stamps for drugs or alcohol.

Parents who do not even turn on Sesame st, but watch soaps or other programs inappropriate for young kids.

Anonymous wrote:

So, what? She thinks she was on the committee, but she wasn't? The Common Core people paid her to say that she did something she didn't do? She doesn't exist? How do you explain this?

No clue. But, if CC had classroom teachers on the committee, why aren't they listed? Where is the documented feedback. Usually studies include the raw data.

I don't know why they aren't listed. Why does that matter? What's the important thing, actually involving classroom teachers, or putting up stuff on your public website? For months I've been reading on DCUM that actually involving classroom teachers is the most important thing, but now evidently it's not?.

What is the cause of the problem

Parents who do not help their children with language development.
Parents who do not count with their children.
Parents who do not read to their children.
etc.etc.

Anonymous wrote:

Also, people keep saying that the standards are not going to solve the problem -- without saying what the problem is.

The problem is that the achievement gap starts at birth--not in the schools. The schools are not the only problem. The real problem starts in the home.

That's a description of the problem. What is the cause of the problem? And what is your proposal to solve the problem?

Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that Politifact's justification was more anecdotal. NO real substantiation.

You (or somebody) wanted names. Politifact gave names. Now you (or somebody) says that's just anecdotal.

The next time somebody says that the educational publishing companies wrote the Common Core standards, I'm going to say that's just anecdotal.

Also, people keep saying that the standards are not going to solve the problem -- without saying what the problem is.

The problem is that the achievement gap starts at birth--not in the schools. The schools are not the only problem. The real problem starts in the home.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't there a yearly committee to review how the standards are doing and make adjustments as needed? I don't get all the fuss.

Nope. This doesn't exist. No plans to tweak the standards, nobody taking a look a them. Just dropped on the unsuspecting public like the Ten Commandments. One of their MANY flaws.

You think things will never change now that we have CC? OMG - there will be a massive change - just wait a couple years. We seem to change our education policy massively every 10 years. And that IS part of the problem.

Seems to me that Politifact's justification was more anecdotal. NO real substantiation.

So, what? She thinks she was on the committee, but she wasn't? The Common Core people paid her to say that she did something she didn't do? She doesn't exist? How do you explain this?

No clue. But, if CC had classroom teachers on the committee, why aren't they listed? Where is the documented feedback. Usually studies include the raw data.

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nga.org/cms/home/news-room/news-releases/page_2009/col2-content/main-content-list/title_common-core-state-standards-development-work-group-and-feedback-group-announced.html

the teacher cited by Politifact is not listed as being on the committee.

So, what? She thinks she was on the committee, but she wasn't? The Common Core people paid her to say that she did something she didn't do? She doesn't exist? How do you explain this?