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Anonymous wrote:Why do Muslims give out candy in the hospital after a baby is born? What does it mean if you took care of them all day and they don't offer you any? Who is the candy really for?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkSLIbMZ-HM

First, thanks for linking to a video that is blessedly short.

Second, thanks for pointing out that he two to one for males vs. females starts as soon as children are born. The scholar here says the Islamic correct custom is to slaughter one sheep for a girl and two for a boy. None of this is from the Quran--he implies there are hadith of various kinds giving customs around the birth of a child.

My Arab Muslim DH says this is nonsense. Sheep aren't slaughtered when a child is born. Then we both recalled a story in an Arab newspaper about a family whose sons and their descendents had not had a girl born in over a century. When a girl finally was born the whole tribe had a huge celebration.

Yes--now I know why I never really liked Jim Carrey.

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Anonymous wrote:love this

PP who has criticized many of the posts Muslims have made on this and other threads.

This video is offensive.

Another PP who has criticized many of the posts by Muslims on these threads.

Thanks for watching it so we don't have to. I won't be watching it.

Anonymous wrote:love this

PP who has criticized many of the posts Muslims have made on this and other threads.

This video is offensive.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do Muslims give out candy in the hospital after a baby is born? What does it mean if you took care of them all day and they don't offer you any? Who is the candy really for?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkSLIbMZ-HM

First, thanks for linking to a video that is blessedly short.

Second, thanks for pointing out that he two to one for males vs. females starts as soon as children are born. The scholar here says the Islamic correct custom is to slaughter one sheep for a girl and two for a boy. None of this is from the Quran--he implies there are hadith of various kinds giving customs around the birth of a child.

love this

I know many, many Muslims in the Arab world who do not cover their hair in public.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you seen All-American Muslim? What did you think of it? I started watching it after all the right-wing hoopla claiming that the show's producers were avoiding showing militant Muslims. The issues the show dealt with made sense to me based on what I know from Muslim friends and acquaintances. I was sorry the show wasn't renewed.

Folks who want to know more about one segment of the Muslim community in the US may want to check it out.

That show was nonsense, the families they showed were shia, aka non-Muslims, its a completely different faith! They had tattoos, the women weren't covering all the time, a few were wrapped up in haram (forbidden) money making (The club) and the list goes on and on. It was an extremely poor representation of what a real american Muslim is. Now don't get me wrong they had some key points and very real life situations that everyone goes through, but I'm glad they didn't renew it.

Whover this new poster is (was OP given the boot?), he or she is intolerant. See the reference to how we should all disregard the Sufis on the Hamza Yusuf thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you seen All-American Muslim? What did you think of it? I started watching it after all the right-wing hoopla claiming that the show's producers were avoiding showing militant Muslims. The issues the show dealt with made sense to me based on what I know from Muslim friends and acquaintances. I was sorry the show wasn't renewed.

Folks who want to know more about one segment of the Muslim community in the US may want to check it out.

That show was nonsense, the families they showed were shia, aka non-Muslims, its a completely different faith! They had tattoos, the women weren't covering all the time, a few were wrapped up in haram (forbidden) money making (The club) and the list goes on and on. It was an extremely poor representation of what a real american Muslim is. Now don't get me wrong they had some key points and very real life situations that everyone goes through, but I'm glad they didn't renew it.

Ask Shias whether they think they are Muslim. Ask Muslim women who don't cover whether they think they are "real American Muslims." I have several Muslim American friends who don't veil, and one of them definitely prays.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you part of a religion (or insert organization) where women are second to men? Do you believe that men are superior or in charge of women? If so, why?

What do you mean by second? Men and women in any aspect are equal but different. People fail to realize this fact. There are many things men cannot do that women can and vice versa. What is your religion? Allah gave women rights 1436 years ago when they were previously being bought and sold and buried alive, in other parts of the world
their existence was often questioned and put down time and time again. No other religion but Islam holds our women with higher regard in the entire world, do your research.
Yes, that's how Allah made us, men as the providers, protectors, and women the housekeepers,etc. This concept just changed within about 50-60 years in this country. Watch this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvto1aEI_jc&spfreload=10

Another dawah-wallah with jahiliya horror stories but poorer English skills this time.

Oh my goodness.

There were long discussions on several other threads about all of issues. The response above barely reflects any of it. Let me try to represent that earlier discussion as fairly as I can and without loaded adjectives. Others, feel free to pitch in to correct me if necessary.

Women in Islam have different legal rights than men.
(1) Inheritance rights. A woman inherits 1/2 the share received by her brother.
(2) Divorce rights. Men can divorce women by repeating the word "talak" three times, although some Islamic states are trying to pare this back by adding required elapsed time/counseling in between the talaks. A woman can ask her husband for a divorce; if he says no, then she can go before a judge, who may or may not agree to the divorce. After a divorce, a man is required to support the woman (a bit like alimony) for three months, i.e. sufficient time to make sure she is not carrying a child.
(3) Testimony. A woman's testimony in financial courts is worth 1/2 that of a man's testimony.

Muslims argued, on those other threads, that these different women's legal rights are balanced by different responsibilities. As a result, they argued, westerners who think that women are "unequal" are viewing this through a "western linear" perspective. They argue, as PP did above, that men are the providers and protectors. As one example, when a woman is divorced, she goes back to her family and the men of her family support her.

Whether or not Islam gave women rights as they are bought and sold was the subject of extensive debate on those other threads. There was no disagreement that female captives of war were legitimately taken as slaves or concubines ("the women of your left hand"). Without drawing conclusions about the controversial part of that debate, suffice it to say that the debate centered on whether these concubines were freed upon pregnancy or upon the master's death.

There is considerable debate about whether Islam granted women new rights, confirmed existing (pre-Islamic) rights, or took away existing rights in various parts of Arabia. See, for example, Harvard's Dr. Leila Ahmad who takes the view that some/many women before Islam had considerable political power before Islam and opposed the religion for that reason.

There is also debate on whether the Quran forbade female infanticide, infanticide in general, or if that particular passage was an apocryphal and neutral reference to bad things that happen in bad times.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you seen All-American Muslim? What did you think of it? I started watching it after all the right-wing hoopla claiming that the show's producers were avoiding showing militant Muslims. The issues the show dealt with made sense to me based on what I know from Muslim friends and acquaintances. I was sorry the show wasn't renewed.

Folks who want to know more about one segment of the Muslim community in the US may want to check it out.

That show was nonsense, the families they showed were shia, aka non-Muslims, its a completely different faith! They had tattoos, the women weren't covering all the time, a few were wrapped up in haram (forbidden) money making (The club) and the list goes on and on. It was an extremely poor representation of what a real american Muslim is. Now don't get me wrong they had some key points and very real life situations that everyone goes through, but I'm glad they didn't renew it.

Who made you in charge of deciding what an American Muslim is?

More generally, who put you in charge of deciding who is and is not a real Muslim? Just go ahead and call them rafidah dogs and then catch a flight to ISIS, they seem to need people with your attitude.

Anonymous wrote:Allah gave women rights 1436 years ago when they were previously being bought and sold

Islam has a very long history buying and selling women, and things haven't changed much. The Islamic State is currently conducting open slave markets in Mosul, buying and selling women to be used as sex slaves.

Anonymous wrote:Have you seen All-American Muslim? What did you think of it? I started watching it after all the right-wing hoopla claiming that the show's producers were avoiding showing militant Muslims. The issues the show dealt with made sense to me based on what I know from Muslim friends and acquaintances. I was sorry the show wasn't renewed.

Folks who want to know more about one segment of the Muslim community in the US may want to check it out.

That show was nonsense, the families they showed were shia, aka non-Muslims, its a completely different faith! They had tattoos, the women weren't covering all the time, a few were wrapped up in haram (forbidden) money making (The club) and the list goes on and on. It was an extremely poor representation of what a real american Muslim is. Now don't get me wrong they had some key points and very real life situations that everyone goes through, but I'm glad they didn't renew it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you part of a religion (or insert organization) where women are second to men? Do you believe that men are superior or in charge of women? If so, why?

What do you mean by second? Men and women in any aspect are equal but different. People fail to realize this fact. There are many things men cannot do that women can and vice versa. What is your religion? Allah gave women rights 1436 years ago when they were previously being bought and sold and buried alive, in other parts of the world
their existence was often questioned and put down time and time again. No other religion but Islam holds our women with higher regard in the entire world, do your research.
Yes, that's how Allah made us, men as the providers, protectors, and women the housekeepers,etc. This concept just changed within about 50-60 years in this country. Watch this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvto1aEI_jc&spfreload=10

Another dawah-wallah with jahiliya horror stories but poorer English skills this time.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you forbidden to have dogs as pets?

No way many muslims have dogs as pets. Many Muslims tend to stay from dogs as some are from the Jinn, and you are considered unclean and are unable to pray if their hair gets on you or your clothes

Only the saliva of dogs is unclean, everything else is OK.